The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[ShadoFiend]

And I don't want her. I'll stick with Sheena.

 

[Exceladon City]

You fools should critique mah vids. I'm the one who is in dire need of it.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

?

I watched the Wario one and they all went private.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Whoa.. who or what was holding the camera during the Zelda money match?

 

[Kuraudo]

And I don't want her. I'll stick with Sheena.

Still don't understand where it's really at, bro.

Tear

 

[ShadoFiend]

Sorry. All my vids went private. I'll show them to people when they ask. Im just keeping them from a certain person studying my vids like a *****.

 

[Orange_Soda_Man]

I'd love to give my 2cents if you're willing. my youtube handle is orangesodaman123, if that is relevant.

 

[Kinzer]

Aww, Shado made his vids private?

Ah well, I got to watch the raep before it got censored.

Also how am I suppose to tell when people put up vids to be critiqued and/or just put them up for show?

Espy~~~~, you should leave a note in the OP for something like that, so that if anybody wants my advice (they/you don't), they should leave a request~~~~.

 

[ShadoFiend]

Sorry guys If you have a youtube befriend me and I can let you see them.

Or just catch me on aim and I could unprivate them there for you to see them.

This certain person has been botherin me for awhile so I shut them down. He isnt a Sonic so dont worry if you think its one of you

Or come to the Xat room and I can show em there

 

[Camalange]

I thought you were hiding them from me.




As if the original would want to steal tricks from the faker <3

I forget if I have you as a friend on YouTube, or subscribed...

 

[Kinzer]

Hmm... why are you reluctant to name him/her (lolwut?) Shado, are you afraid of namedropping?

Also by bothering do you mean studying your playstyle to try and beat you, or a stalker or what's going on?

 

[ShadoFiend]

Someone studying my playstyle to beat me and I won't name drop because I don't need drama spreading in here. Its annoying.

Also Sexy Cammy you sent me a friend request on the tube right? I'll make it so you can see them. Mean Green would like to hear true blue's opinion. Even though True Blue is obviously inferior <333

 

[Kinzer]

|< ! /\/ Z 3 R.

Fear my amazing creativity (or lack of it) to get around namedroppin' myself. But you know what, forget it, I'm just being annoying and I should respect your reasoning to keep something private instead of asking why.

 

[ShadoFiend]

Kinzer its fine. You're the person I made Sophisticated Sonic with. How could you ever be annoying? <3

 

[Kinzer]

I'm weird like that.

/off-topic.

 

[memphischains]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesPiLJFSco

eh, bad vid but whatever, you guys don't really have anything of me

one team vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzi5818GL8g&feature=related

 

[MalcolmM]

Zelda can be a problem if u play aggressive like scourge over there...

He's lucky we couldnt save that loss vs my zelda or i would play it daily.

 

[Kuraudo]

Shado, I'm SonicWinds on YouTube. I'll add you or you can add me. I wanna see the Sonic house epicness.

 

[ShadoFiend]

Malcolm taught me a lesson a few times. Being aggressive isn't the best option lol. He knew how to take advantage of it while others were overwhelmed. But it's all good. Next time Malcolm. Bring that Ike son. where you @ Socal baby Where you @? Dont trip dont trip OK!

 

[Camalange]

lol, I commented on your vids Shado <3

Mad aggressive Scourge is mad aggressive.
(really wishes he could see Malc's Zelda v Shado xD)

 

[ShadoFiend]

Going against MAlcolm when he plays as anyone is a pain. He knows Sonic way to well..Its just ridiculous..

 

[Exceladon City]

Yeah Kinz my friend apparently has real shaky hands.

 

[Sagen du Smash]

Going against MAlcolm when he plays as anyone is a pain. He knows Sonic way to well..Its just ridiculous..

Wow I <3 your avatar! Just putting it out there man.

 

[Arikie]

Its been a long time since I've posted in this thread.

I'm asking for tips/pointers/advice/critiquing on my sonic, I don't mind harsh criticism as long as its constructive or helpful, be real with me please.
If you don't like the sound/music/backround noise/talking/whatever just MUTE IT please, and listen to something else while you watch.

These are friendlies, so expect a couple obvious mistakes that wouldn't have been made in more serious play. I'm sorry I don't have any videos of me at tournaments


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_mO0c5ggrE zetsu(martha) yoshi'sisland brawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FDavfL8oo zetsu(martha) finalDestination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI5T8e2bJv0 zetsu(lucas) finaldestination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYiRe3lfNk zetsu(lucas) finaldestination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8chBNGMIkYQ mk(subzero) battlefield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeFyyaW79YI zetsu/siege/pain(martha) battlefield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yPkY04ih5o DS(link) final destination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVziSSYhiM4 d12(luigi) smashville

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbeCIgAVxj0 ignis/fray(gameandwatch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aEgS6M_SSc ds(link) pkmn stadium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6yDESr53U ignis(dedede) pictochat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbw_1jVyDU4 zetsu(martha) lylatcruise


I have some other videos of a pit(sora) player, but he isn't very competitive so I'm not listing them for critiquing. if you really want to see them just go to my channel. keep in mind that he doesn't own the game or play it competitively. He does play against me a lot though.

I really appreciated the advice from last time.

 

[Count]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhyZbUo2m6A

This is me playing against my own character. I main diddy and never use anybody else because my diddy is 100x better than my other chars but if I had to choose another character I'd play as sonic.

Anyway my sonic is trash but the ending is really sexy :D Let me know what you think

edit: special shoutout to shugo, itt, excel, jkip mw sonics represent :D

 

[Kinzer]

Quite hard to critique you Count, knowing that you main Diddy and that you seem to have a grip on the MU because of it.

Uhm... eat moar Steak?

I'm sorry, all I can say is that I thought the vid was impressive, from your side anyway.

Here's a serious question for anybody who knows it:

Can Sonic force G&W to jump release? if that's the case, then this will be extremely helpful to know because if they don't SS the ledge with their Up-B and you happen to grab them, then you can cypher gimp him because his Up-B works much like Sonic's and Snakes, which is where the name came from.

If Sonic can't force it on him though (I would imagine he can though, G&W is short), then carry on I guess.

 

[Chis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_mO0c5ggrE zetsu(martha) yoshi'sisland brawl

0:38 Dair is not always the best choice
0:43 Don't get predictable with that
-:-- You side step far too much, people should start punishing you for it
2:03 I approve
2:12 Bad, don't do that
3:05 Even the Marth can see this. SDSC at least
3:08 If you miss, jump and double jump rather then roll off stage
3:37 ...
3:57 I approve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8chBNGMIkYQ mk(subzero) battlefield

I don't like the Metaknight but whatever

0:08 Doing that is grab bait :/
0:20 Up throw > Down throw at building damage
0:24 ...........
0:44 Why?
1:08 I approve
1:53 Why Metaknight?
1:59 Again why? People get punished a lot for doing laggy moves when no one is even close by
2:39 You should learn instant edge hug for times like these
2:45 ...
2:52 Use your Fsmash only for kills. You are making it stale, making it harder to kill with it. Ftilt work have worked
2:56 You should stop that habbit
3:01 You Up throw > Spring why to much, I don't know why people arn't using DI :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yPkY04ih5o DS(link) final destination

0:07 If you wanted to avoid the bombs and arrows, you should have just used the spin shot/SDR jump
0:11 You should have grabbed him instead
0:54 Stop rolling for movement and spacing, Sonic can space well with his dash/walk
0:56 Ftilt > Fsmash
2:07 There was no need to Spring > Dair. This seems like a bad habit
-:-- You're too implusive, throwing up those laggy moves, not doing the right options at the right times

SUM UP
- Stop being implusive, think more
- Fight better people
- Save Fsmash for kills, use Ftilt to punsih
- You went for and missed a lot of grabs, practice spacing and how to do SDSC grabs or screech stop grabs
- Stop using rolling for movement, walk/dash instead
- Stop the side step spam
- SDSC more, I hardly saw any feinting there
- Up throw to build damage/Down throw to tech chase/Dwon throw off stage to add pressure with those with recoverys
- Stop charging the spin charge without at least SOME feinting of some kind
- Stop Fsmashing randomly

I'll do Memphis laters....

 

[Arikie]

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Thanks, I went back and i looked at the times i was spotdodging. or using smash attacks badly and I almost laughed at myself.

I'll work on the things you suggested.

 

[Chis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesPiLJFSco

0:18 Using the HA was a bad idea
0:26 DIing towards the ledge rather then using the HA would have been safer
0:35 I hope that was a mindgame, doing random smashes is begging for punishment
0:43 Count your jumps next time :/
0:58 They wont just come up to you while you clearly want to shield grab them :/ This kirby doesn't count
3:04 Doing a lot of plain SDR, perhaps add some SDSC into the mix?
3:14 Try not to do that more then twice, sometimes try a dash grab from it
4:35 ....

SUM UP
- Stop using the homing attack
- Use Sonic more, you looked alittle stiff in that match
- Most of those wall jumps where no needed
- Rather then wanting the quickest way to get back onto the stage, go for the safest
- Don't Dair unless no one is close by
- Dash > shield rather then holding your shield up, waiting for the attack
- Mix up you SDR more
- Practice approaches

 

[Espy Rose]

Here's a serious question for anybody who knows it:

Can Sonic force G&W to jump release? if that's the case, then this will be extremely helpful to know because if they don't SS the ledge with their Up-B and you happen to grab them, then you can cypher gimp him because his Up-B works much like Sonic's and Snakes, which is where the name came from.

If Sonic can't force it on him though (I would imagine he can though, G&W is short), then carry on I guess.

I've known this for quite some time already. This said, there's a reason I haven't mentioned it.

You'll never manage this on a high-leveled G&W. In all of my experiences, the only way I've EVER managed to force a G&W to upB without the sweetspot would be to get to the ledge first.

Because of that, there's no time for you to get back up and grab and gimp.
Also, you can't force an aerial release on G&W.

Most G&W's would probably recover low enough to sweet spot the ledge, but high enough to land on the level if the opponent nabs the ledge first.

As Sonic, the most we can do if we manage to force a level landing from upB from G&W is to jump off the ledge and hit them with an aerial before they shield/attack, or if you're below 100%, get up from the ledge and grab.

That's about it.

 

[ShadoFiend]

Wow I <3 your avatar! Just putting it out there man.

Thanks. Lol All Hail The King Baby.

Anyway I'll be joining in the discussions on vids from now on. I think its about time I started getting serious on these boards.

 

[soniclax15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Lea0k_BTI
Spin Dash Festival Featuring Aff3

 

[JayBee]

pimp(mario) vs wonf(sonic)
wonf(sonic) vs digy(didy)
roy(pit) vs wonf(sonic)

this sonic from Mexico wanted me to look at his sonic, so i looked at one recent match thinking it would be scrubby. but nah, he's got a legit sonic. very techinical, these matches shows how diverse his style is, even tho he still has ways to go. take a look at what mexico has to offer the Order of the Steak.

 

[Camalange]

0:49 - 0:557
Was pretty rad...I've never seen a Nair edgeguard and straight to ledge run? xD I approve

1:12 - 1:20
This was a mess though O_O wow, he is not nearly precise enough at close combat...waaaay too many whiffed grabs and a near shield break. At least he finally just ran outa there.

1:29
gg

1:30 - 1:32
greedy -_-

2:12 - 2:16
Interesting, at least it worked, lol

3:05 - 3:11
I approved of the Jab > Dsmash, but not that epic failure of a ledgehog O_o


Overall, he's very well aware of what Sonic is capable of. He's very good technically, but he uses WAY TOO MUCH SPRING DAIR. That, and he's really bad at handling close range pressure.

He impressed me technically with a few nice shenanigans, but he needs to improve his overal gameplay. I see potential though so I like that.

 

[4nace]

I've known this for quite some time already. This said, there's a reason I haven't mentioned it.

You'll never manage this on a high-leveled G&W. In all of my experiences, the only way I've EVER managed to force a G&W to upB without the sweetspot would be to get to the ledge first.

Because of that, there's no time for you to get back up and grab and gimp.
Also, you can't force an aerial release on G&W.

Most G&W's would probably recover low enough to sweet spot the ledge, but high enough to land on the level if the opponent nabs the ledge first.

As Sonic, the most we can do if we manage to force a level landing from upB from G&W is to jump off the ledge and hit them with an aerial before they shield/attack, or if you're below 100%, get up from the ledge and grab.

That's about it.

Something that helps for gimping these characters is pretending that you don't know about it, when i knock a snake/G&W low, i like to run to the middle of the stage and dash dance, and then if they think they are safe to get back on the level abuse Sonic's speed to get a dash grab on the edge. But as you said, most top skill players will get the ledge anyway out of habit.

Just my 2 cents. Also Puff, do you go as PuffballProductions on other forums?? I saw someone working on a game under that tag and my interest was piqued haha.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

I hope you people are happy. Now if you excuse me time to learn more Ness.

 

[da K.I.D.]

how to play ness as taught by FOW

lesson 1. lrn2recover and mindgame with pkt2
lesson 2. use falling fairs and dairs to avoid getting grabbed
lesson 3. back throw at 130%+

congrats, you just learned ness

too bad 90% off nesses fail lesson number 2

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

Seriously WTH is pkt2? I don't get it at all. I can do pretty much everythingelse with Ness besides that. Sigh.. I hope Sonic is better when I get him.

 

[infomon]

KASR........ wut?

pkt2 = pk thunder into yourself to smack you into the enemy

Edit: what do you mean "when you get him"? and what do you mean better?
you mean like.... you hope sonic is better than ness, when you unlock sonic!?

kasr have you ever even played this game

 

[Kupo Rose]

KASR........ wut?

pkt2 = pk thunder into yourself to smack you into the enemy

Edit: what do you mean "when you get him"? and what do you mean better?
you mean like.... you hope sonic is better than ness, when you unlock sonic!?

kasr have you ever even played this game

Well, it's kind of hard to put this. I kind of lie about a few things. But I think you guys are going to hate me for, and pretty kick me out of your section.

For one I didn't have a wii until now.

Second, I jsut got brawl today and I don't even have Sonic.

So, that's pretty much all I wanted to tell ya'll if you guys hate me. Then I'll go somewhere else, and just main Kirby and G&W. And forget I ever knew you guys.

So this might be goodbye.

Sorry for quoting you. >___>