The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[ShadoFiend]

infzy. Spring Dair was getting free damage on you. HE began to read it the first match. No isdr when you went to Sonic's island. Also you were edge guarded pretty much a whole stock. I think its a good thing you recorded these because now you can see what you were doing wrong.

Live and Learn.

Ally may be the best Snake but he isn't unbeatable.

 

[JayBee]

Ally being the best snake has little to do with showing your predicability offstage and on stage, especially when you are taken off your confort zone. i also sensed that you didn't know enough of what a snake can do.

 

[infomon]

Ally being the best snake has little to do with showing your predicability offstage and on stage, especially when you are taken off your confort zone. i also sensed that you didn't know enough of what a snake can do.

Thank you. Thank you all!

I <3 these boards because you ppl know WHAT'S WHAT.

It's so sad, I play ppl irl and they wreck me after I make a billion misteaks that would be OBVIOUS to the sonicboards... but they tell me "wow! you're a great sonic! I still can't believe you use him though....." NO NO NO. I'm a TERRIBLE sonic, and they think sonic's worse than he is (but better than they expect?? ) because of me.

25. Infzy (Sonic) haha fun time man, ur the sonic who got closer on beating me than most of U.S TOP ones. Infzy for best Sonic ^^

COMMON SONICS, we can do better than this!!!

and yeah I really need matchup experience, and practice, and to stop doing a billion obvious misteaks that are even obvious to me when I do them

madgrimerismad

 

[Camalange]

infzy, I have yet to fulfill that promise of playing Ally for you :/

Once I do...son...you best believe Imma mention you...YOU BEST BELIEVE. I'LL EVEN MAKE MY TAG INFZY SON!

 

[JayBee]

I haven't faced ally, but when i dok you guys will be the first to know. He shall be shown true steak, +8.

 

[JMan8891]

I have some pretty fail vids too from a shoddy tourney in Charleston, SC. I drove 3.5 hrs for it... xD

Took 5th. Not impressive when its out of 8 (i never played a camp Olimar... seriously... he wrecked my **** up Round 1 in the bracket... then i lost to my teamates Snake, he took 3rd.)

JMan (Sonic) vs ARS (Snake) R1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EndyDyzYIQ&feature=channel_page
JMan (Sonic)vs ARS (Snake) R2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUWjDbyMNfY&feature=channel_page

Then, it was friendlies
(Ignore the writing, its wrong on the youtube page)
JMan (Pink Falcon FTW!!!!) vs TRC (Sperm-Mk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KwkedQozro&feature=channel_page

JMan (Sonic) vs Yay (Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8o-Zs6l3u8&feature=channel_page

What did NOT get recorded was doubles, where i had to fight a team of the two who took first and second in teh singles. A CAMPY Olimar (wtf??? i ddin't know wtf to do... ) and Yay who went Mk. (additionally... i beat his Mk after trying to "sonic plank" after hitting him with 1 spring. HA Stall under FD. He gimped me. Then i brought out the A1 sauce and took the match bacK!!!! Epic..

And... somenoe thought i was a scrub Sonic... so we dittoed. I owned him.... nearly a JB 3 stock. I did JB 4 stock some no0b who came to the tourney. He gimped himself as Ike, lol

AND.. i took my Sonic to 232% against an Ike on FD. He ONLY landed jab. Thats it... i DIed like a madman, and instead of getting 3stocked as i was gimping his last life... he quit. TOOOOOO good

 

[Wolfric]

Rate my Sonic please, and don't be hard on me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGMAGu23Uyk&feature=channel_page

 

[infomon]

and don't be hard on me!

I haven't watched the vid yet... but ^^ this ^^ cannot be done.

If you want to get better, you need ppl to tell you what your misteaks are, and you need to know if your errors are glaring or subtle. By posting here, you have come to the right place! But you need us to be honest. Don't take any criticism as something personal; learn from it so you get better, and be humble about your skillz.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-QQVfI3FA&fmt=18 - Espy (Sonic) vs. Niddo (Ike) New!!

WHY the one of me being three stocked out of all of the videos? ;_;

 

[TwinkleToes]

Rate my Sonic please, and don't be hard on me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGMAGu23Uyk&feature=channel_page

Uh....

Well, if you want just a number I'd give you a 3/10.

To go a bit more into depth:

You were spamming crap that was only working because your opponent was a moron. Repeatedly dash attacking back and forth is not going to work on anyone with half a brain. Using smashes as often as you were is only going to get you punished a lot. Again, your opponent wasn't doing a whole lot; so, you got away with it, but for future reference you should be more judicious with your smashing.

You over rely on down-b. It is not a viable approach and certainly not from across final destination.

Find better people to play against.

 

[Wolfric]

Yeeeah I know, that vid was from a month ago, I'll upload later a more recent Sonic hahahh

 

[Sagen du Smash]

infzy. Spring Dair was getting free damage on you. HE began to read it the first match. No isdr when you went to Sonic's island. Also you were edge guarded pretty much a whole stock. I think its a good thing you recorded these because now you can see what you were doing wrong.

Live and Learn.

Ally may be the best Snake but he isn't unbeatable.

AKA, we need to see some more vids of your Sonic... XD

 

[JayBee]

Rate my Sonic please, and don't be hard on me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGMAGu23Uyk&feature=channel_page

fake those dash attacks with shield cancels, grabs and running to mix up approaches.

Learn to use mroe than one type of throw. up throw especially.

try using your speed to rush an opponent to make a bad decision offensively, just so you can block the misteak then grab them.

Too many smashes. use jabs and tilts instead in place of those smashes, at least until high percents. for you, that should do for now.

you are okay offstage. but honestly, you lack the extensive knowledge of what sonic can do. just stick around and you'll pick up on stuff.


EDIT: Dash Dance Revolution - A Kojin/Sonic vid


here you go guys

 

[Sonic Orochi]

Hey, Sonic boards, rate me here plz xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhjIhCXN49k

Not my best vid. Actually, one of the very first after a long break from Brawl... Also, it's LagFi, unfortunately. =\

I think I overused the Fsmash and SC, but I dunno =P

 

[aeghrur]

Yups, you overused F-smash which was not a good thing, but I liked the way you used your spring.
Pretty awesome, lol.
Just need to stop randomly charging F-smashes when they're not below killing percent.

 

[Kinzer]

Still alive huh Orochi?

Well, first. Nice texture hack.

Second, why is your vid only 2 minutes long? If you could already get texture hacks, I don't see the problem with having infinite replay.

Third, turning around is old-school, you should try to DDP, or at the least screetchstop, it's much better than what happened at 1:25

With that said, take a look at 1:19

I know it's lag-fi and HA is bad and the Falco could've hit you back, but you had a chance right there to do a LOLNair, and you Springed, why? It's not like you would get gimped , what with your Spring and a 2nd jump if you still had it.

 

[Tenki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w83PMSCx_HE

Boxob.

lol

 

[Espy Rose]

I've updated with new videos.

Since the Sonic Video Archive is now posted on both SWF and AiB, It'll take a bit longer to update, but if each side submits videos, each update will contain more content.

Keep sending those videos in!

 

[Sonic Orochi]

Yups, you overused F-smash which was not a good thing, but I liked the way you used your spring.
Pretty awesome, lol.
Just need to stop randomly charging F-smashes when they're not below killing percent.

Hehe, I love the Spring. It's a shame, though, I always seem to use dair right after it... I should try to avoid that as much as possible. =|

Still alive huh Orochi?

Well, first. Nice texture hack.

Second, why is your vid only 2 minutes long? If you could already get texture hacks, I don't see the problem with having infinite replay.

Third, turning around is old-school, you should try to DDP, or at the least screetchstop, it's much better than what happened at 1:25

With that said, take a look at 1:19

I know it's lag-fi and HA is bad and the Falco could've hit you back, but you had a chance right there to do a LOLNair, and you Springed, why? It's not like you would get gimped , what with your Spring and a 2nd jump if you still had it.

Well, I just re-started to play recently, so... I was kinda dead before then lol

The vid is 2 min 'cause that's how the ******** developers thought that the online random would be awesome. Thank god I wasn't getting too many CPUs at that time...

Hmm.. DDP requires a foxtrot first, right? I guess I should try to incorporate that to my playstyle, because sometimes I accidentaly use a foxtrot instead of a screech stop and then just stand still >_> But since I play other people through lagfi only, that'll be kinda hard =\

Yeah, I really thought of doing a lmaonair but I dunno, I just Springed... I blame the lag lol

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

OMG GAIS. KRD recorded some wifi friendlies we did and I didn't even know! D=

This was like...5 days after I got my new Wii so I personally hate my performance and I'm not that used to Icies(in fact if he felt like CGing he would have UBER ***** me) but I shouldn't John. >.< I did okay anyway. So.....thanks KRD. For not butt****ing me and putting these up. lol

Also note they were all wifi as I'm a wifi scrub. =D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYL0wPCmoQ -Terios(Sonic) vs. KRDSonic(Ice Climbers) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaMga8FN1WE -Terios(Sonic) vs. KRDSonic (Ice Climbers) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qa8W06PJJY -Terios(Sonic vs. KRDSonic(Ice Climbers) 3

 

[infomon]

Recorded (via camcorder lol) off the MWCC ustream:

• ithrowthings (Sonic) vs. Overswarm (MK) 1
• ithrowthings (Sonic) vs. Overswarm (ROB) 2

• Shugo (Sonic) vs. Overswarm (ROB) 1
• Shugo (Sonic) vs. Overswarm (MK) 2
• Shugo (Sonic) vs. Overswarm (MK) 3

 

[JMan8891]

I LOVED the actual A-1 Steaksauce. TOOO good

 

[TwinkleToes]

Lol, it was awesome. Which makes us all huge nerds.

 

[DDM]

I'm feeling masochistic tonight, so have fun with this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vbhP4yJ6XY

Self-criticism: Spotdodge moar, try to avoid ******** SD's.

 

[DDM]

Moar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxOpnwwAtcA

 

[Kupo Rose]

Hey Zack, Im not exactly a regular of the Sonic Boards so dont know if you wanna listen to my advice but what the hell...

First off dont use Homing Attack as an offensive approach unless your certain its gonna hit and its humliating when you miss... you see that hilariously big landing lag at 0:19? (and 1:59, 2:13, 2:51, 3:00, 3:49) That was just free damage % for Snake, luckily enough for you he just rolled away >.> but at 1:22 he caught on and grabbed you. 1:44.. was just... unbearable

I thought that would've put you off using it but you still used HA as if it was from SA1 or SA2.

0:22 = missed grab oppurtunity and why are you approaching by rolling towards Snake and spotdodging? He was just shielding there. You could've ran instead of rolling again at 2:56

I know SpinDashing is a lovely fast approach but your spinning right into grenades (2:22, 2:41, 3:41, 3:59, 4:24) run towards him instead.

Less use of Homing Attack,
Roll less; Run more
Grab more, this Snake was really shield happy. He could've been grabbed multiple times.
Dont Spindash from the other side of the stage (2:38, 3:41)

The ending was hilarious though.

 

[DDM]

Yeah, HA has been a part of my game since the start. I'm continuing to try to break the habit. I still want to kind of have it in my back pocket as an alternate recovery tactic, and possibly a dodging tactic.

Snake is a matchup I will have to work on. I was frustrated throughout this matchup as the grenades really crossed me up.

As for grabbing, I just have a hard time with that in general. Just some kind of mental block I have to work through. I wasn't intentionally spotdodging as much as I was just trying to block a possible attack. Snake is a strong SOB.

DON'T spindash from the other side of the stage? Just dash instead, you mean?... using dash attack / u-smash / fair?

 

[Kupo Rose]

Yeah, HA has been a part of my game since the start. I'm continuing to try to break the habit. I still want to kind of have it in my back pocket as an alternate recovery tactic, and possibly a dodging tactic.

Use HA more as an edgeguard when following your opponent offstage but be careful though, smart guys will fastfall.
You can use it to recover but dont do it like the way you did it in the video.

If your knocked high above away from the stage, feel free to throw a homing attack in for stalling just to be unpredictable.

Snake is a matchup I will have to work on. I was frustrated throughout this matchup as the grenades really crossed me up.

As for grabbing, I just have a hard time with that in general. Just some kind of mental block I have to work through. I wasn't intentionally spotdodging as much as I was just trying to block a possible attack. Snake is a strong SOB.

I know its silly, but practicing grabbing on lvl9 CPU's help, it helped me. It wasn't your spotdodging I was being too critical about, it was your excessive rolling towards and away from Snake. Running around is a mindgame of its own though I agree you dont wanna get hit as Snake is an overpowered character.

DON'T spindash from the other side of the stage? Just dash instead, you mean?... using dash attack / u-smash / fair?

Oops I think I worded that a bit wrong sorry. I meant SpinDashing from the other side was really predictable and you should do it less often against him. I noticed he had his shield/grenade ready upon your approach.

Oh yeah, when you did run, it was usually always a Hypen Smash. Sonic's fast (no SH-T!). You could've ran towards him (then Fair, UpSmash, Grab?) and have avoided the grenades altogether than your SpinDashing approach which got you exploding into grenades everytime.

Yeah.. I dont know how to use that Multiquote option... >.<

 

[infomon]

^^ who is this i don't even

...

you seem legit. lurk moar

 

[Kupo Rose]

^^ who is this i don't even

...

you seem legit. lurk moar

lol xD sure will.

 

[Umby]

I guess I don't mind putting my recent vids up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tv5FjjTnbs (vs Ike)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKyv4CiqniU (vs Pokemon Trainer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nflks9TzX9Q (vs Pokemon Trainer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78PHM4nmQs (vs Pit)

 

[Kupo Rose]

I feel akward asking this Teh Umby but what does a Turnaround Grab do exactly? Does it increase your chances grabbing your opponent from the other side than if you were facing them head on? Or were you just doing it for mindgames?

I see Falco's do turnaround grabs occasionally when their CG'ing but Sonic?

 

[Kinzer]

I fear I'll fall asleep before I'm able to accomplish my task.

If in the case that I am incapable of carrying this out, which is very probable, I want somebody else to post this on the Sonic Xat at 11:59 P.M. EST.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IuUy8Bx6NY

Today is Sonic's Birthday, we're going to end it with a bang.

I hope nobody minds for this special occasion... >.>

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

God I love that video.

 

[DDM]

That is just amazing. Side taunt is like A1... just plain awesome.

 

[Umby]

I feel akward asking this Teh Umby but what does a Turnaround Grab do exactly? Does it increase your chances grabbing your opponent from the other side than if you were facing them head on? Or were you just doing it for mindgames?

I see Falco's do turnaround grabs occasionally when their CG'ing but Sonic?

Well depending on how the opponent reacts to your approach, it CAN increase your chances of grabbing, since you can catch them coming out of their spot dodge. It also serves the purpose of setting up a back throw near the edge of the stage.

Other than that. Mindgames.

 

[bigman40]

Tenki is too good :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzMXEOgY_cg

 

[Umby]

Tenki is too good :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzMXEOgY_cg

Did we save any from our friendly set?

 

[bigman40]

Did we save any from our friendly set?

It wasn't done on my Wii when we played sadly

 

[Tenki]

^
Someone has to get them to allow infinite replay at least. Have some code-checking system so they can verify. I want tourney match replays D;

also,

phone call johns <3
lol jp, it was a fun match. I saw you DRing so inside I was like "OH YEAH WELL IMMA DDP/SPINDASH CANCEL MY DASHES D:" rofl

I can't really tell which, if any, were more effective in terms of getting spacing/baiting stuff to happen, but you followed up your stuff alot better (or I failed to follow up my stuff lol), gg.