The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

[Browny]

lol, not to different from that time KASR said he placed second in some decent-sized chicago tournament, very quick AiB search found out he was just telling the stories of a G&w player >_>

 

[infomon]

ohhhhhh yeah lol
silly kasr

I think he pulled a ninjalink on us
best smasher who doesn't play smash!

 

[Kinzer]

He wanted to let us know of the glory of some other dude.

Such a modest guy KASR is.

...So about those videos, anybody got anything new?

 

[Kupo Rose]

I do, but its Wifi and...

Rule of Thumb: It's actually pretty difficult to determine skill from online matches. Try to get offline matches recorded if you want accurate critique.

So I dunno if I should bother.

 

[Chis]

I think he pulled a ninjalink on us
best smasher who doesn't play smash!

I lol'd.

So we've been lied to?

 

[Kinzer]

Actually, Wi-Fi might be alright so long as the lag was claimed to be alright (manageable) on both side.

I'm not gonna waste my time trying to work with what was actually 2 second button delay, and then screenplay slowed down to 1/4 gameplay speed.

You think Brawl is slow? Try sticking around that mess.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Actually, Wi-Fi might be alright so long as the lag was claimed to be alright (manageable) on both side.

I'm not gonna waste my time trying to work with what was actually 2 second button delay, and then screenplay slowed down to 1/4 gameplay speed.

You think Brawl is slow? Try sticking around that mess.

lol of course Im not gonna upload brawls of me enduring a lagfest >.<

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

KASR........ wut?

pkt2 = pk thunder into yourself to smack you into the enemy

Edit: what do you mean "when you get him"? and what do you mean better?
you mean like.... you hope sonic is better than ness, when you unlock sonic!?

kasr have you ever even played this game

I play it a litte, but not much to know all that crap. This game is a mindtrip from hell, and I through BB was easy to learn. This game has a lot junk in it. But the funny thing is it not that hard to do.

And yes, kinzer is telling the truth. I did that, but never told you guys.

 

[PhoenixoKaZe]

well that was interesting, creator of steak

 

[TwinkleToes]

lol, not to different from that time KASR said he placed second in some decent-sized chicago tournament, very quick AiB search found out he was just telling the stories of a G&w player >_>

Ohmygod are you serious?

And yes, kinzer is telling the truth. I did that, but never told you guys.

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I laughed. I really did. Out loud and everything. Haha... you know from anyone else I'd have called it douche-baggery, but it's just funny when you do it.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Kupo (Sonic) vs. PolarBear (Donkey Kong)

Wifi (oh the dreaded word...) but the lag isn't that bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQRFlI-xjc

Maybe some critique? ^_^;

 

[Espy Rose]

Something that helps for gimping these characters is pretending that you don't know about it, when i knock a snake/G&W low, i like to run to the middle of the stage and dash dance, and then if they think they are safe to get back on the level abuse Sonic's speed to get a dash grab on the edge. But as you said, most top skill players will get the ledge anyway out of habit.

Just my 2 cents. Also Puff, do you go as PuffballProductions on other forums?? I saw someone working on a game under that tag and my interest was piqued haha.

The issue with running to the center and trying to make it all the way back to the edge of the level when against those characters, is that giving those two any sort of multiple option of recovering only makes it more difficult to punish them.

The last thing we need to give characters like Snake and Game and Watch is MORE options from a limited space.

And to the second question. No.

 

[Kinzer]

Don't forget that you are more prone to tripping just running in place.

 

[Chis]

Kupo (Sonic) vs. PolarBear (Donkey Kong)

Wifi (oh the dreaded word...) but the lag isn't that bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQRFlI-xjc

Maybe some critique? ^_^;

0:11 Lag? :/
0:20 A dash to shield grab would have been better
0:34 Why Dair? It's very punishable, carrying on the jump > bair would have been better
0:41 HA = Bad
0:50 Good but some advice. No need to run so far, you can try and mix up it up with some SDSC and down smash them upon landing. Also DDP works great with up throw.
-:-- You SD and ASC a lot, try mixing up your approaches
1:17 Why? Homing attack is bad :/
2:49 No need to dair there
2:53 HA = bad
2:58 No need to do that

SUM UP
- Stop spamming SDSC and ASC. It's predictable. The point of feints is to be unpredictable.
- Work on your approaches. 99% of your approaches were ASC or SD. Don't SDSC more then twice in a row.
- Stop using the HA when you don't need to
- It seems you want to bait a lot of reactions, well you can dash > shield, DDP, mess with turn around pivots and such

 

[Kupo Rose]

Cheers for the advice Chis!

Sorry >.< I'll stop those "RATS" stunts from my overuse of ASC/SDSC, Since it looked too predictable from your viewpoint. I'm still working on DDP but I can't pull it off insanely like Shadofiend so I run around for (lame) mindgames.

I saw your post in the "Training Grounds" thread, do you mind helping me out if your not bothered?

That moment in 0:11 was just lulz, see who could grab each other first.

 

[Chis]

Sure thing, but keeps it to pms. I GUESS I could do wifi since you're in the UK every now and then :/

 

[4nace]

@ ESPY. I mean when they are low and are required to third jump. Sure i guess the better option would be trying to get a fair or bair off on snake, but G&W is going to hit you down there almost guaranteed and then grab the edge. Making him feel safe enough to go on the level could help you get an early kill. Just an idea =). (And not all the way to the center, close enough that you can dash back quickly)

Also shucks at the part two, he was working on a Smash game heh.

 

[Espy Rose]

Espy~~~~, you should leave a note in the OP for something like that, so that if anybody wants my advice (they/you don't), they should leave a request~~~~.

This reminds me. Can we get a rundown of the people who actually review the Sonic videos?

I would like to make a list of the critique-ers to put in the front of the thread. Those willing to critique other videos just give the okay to me in this thread, and I'll put up their names in the first post.

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Oh, and the archive is fully updated.

The next Deadline for OLD and RECENT videos is going to be May 1st, 2009.

All videos prior to that date will be moved to the OLD section, sans the WiFi vids.

That is all for now. The change should be complete sometime tonight.

EDIT: The videos have been rearranged based on the new deadline date

 

[ShadoFiend]

Good Job on updating everything Espy.

Not sure if anyone else was gonna congratulate you so I did.

Even though I privated some of my vids. I made a Scourge Highlight video with some clips from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XniumIxy1xY

 

[Trent]

I originally post this in it's own thread, sorry about that didn't even think to post it here. Anyways, this was my first tourney and some of my matches were recorded. I need any and all advise that you could give to help me improve, please be as nick picky as you can, since I want to improve as much as possible.

Against Fox:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOxNmlfqtig

Against Pikachu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ARjsx-h9NQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GRfSDY7Sx8 (Probably the best recorded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBIa_Auved0

I think I got a little nervous when I did my first tourney matches and didn't play so hot, I did a hell lot better during friendlies, I'd appreciate any advise, thank you.

(I need to stop dodge rolling so much )

 

[0mega 75]

Well, i got this video of brawling a Samus. Not the best cause it was Wifi brawl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8sCWcpHG7c

 

[SoupaSonic]

I think you did well but you should stop throwing to the sides or down when at low percentages. Try tossing people up and go for an u-air. Samus does have a meteor smash so you should be careful, but it is slow starting. Oh and I saw that you used forward smash to punish an attack, don't do that. Try using a f-tilt or down tilt. I like how you used the instant dash attack sometimes and your spin dash/charge attacks look good to me.

PS. nice stage spiking

 

[Chis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOxNmlfqtig

0:07 Don't do that, SDR is a bad approach
0:09 Stop rolling
0:11 Bad. Don't Fsmash, use Ftilt and save Fsmash for kills
0:16 Don't do that. You could have punished him with a grab of something
-:-- Shield cancel ASCs if you miss
-:-- Stop using rolling for movement, dash instead
0:44 Why?
-:-- Really, stop that spring > dair thing. Very punishable
-:-- PLEASE stop rolling to the edge of the stage and charging SD, it's seen a mile away
-:-- Stop holding your shield up makes it VERY clear that you intend to shield grab them. You shield, they grab you, ggs
-:-- Stop Fsmashing when no one is even near you
3:11 Why?
-:-- You are too impulsive and button mashing
-:-- Stop side step spamming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GRfSDY7Sx8 (Probably the best recorded)

-:-- At the very least mix all this SDR spam with SDSC
-:-- Stop rolling for movement
-:-- Gah, I'm stopping here

SUM UP

- Stop rolling for movement, dash instead
- Stop springing for the sake for it
- Stop holding you shield up for 5 seconds before they're even close to you, making it clear that you are planning to grab them
- You don't even have a feinting game, start shield cancelling your ASCs and spin dashes at least
- Stop button mashing
- Stop the spring > dair thing
- Stop the SDR spam
- Stop Fsmashing and start using Ftilt in its place. Keep Fsmash fresh for kills.

 

[Trent]

Thanks for the advise Chis. I really wish I wasn't so predictable when I play Sonic. >.< Going to try working on it.

 

[Chis]

It's Chis, not Chris.

Also, check this thread out: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=200888

 

[Kupo Rose]

After watching ShadoFiend's combo/highlight video for god knows how many times, I just had to make my own!

Un-Gravitify - Sonic Combo Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN1BLjKIX6M

...Still can't find Scourge texture lol...

edit:@Chis: Hope you don't mind me showing that grab streak I got on you >.>

 

[Chis]

Before anyone asks, yes. That is me getting ***** by down throws V_V

 

[Kupo Rose]

Ninja'd >___<'' Sorry Chis hope you dont mind me showing it lol.

I've been (trying) using ASC/SDSC more less than I usually do now. Hopefully our next match I can do better. =)

 

[Kinzer]

I hate you, you can DDP on Wi-Fi while I can barely do it in-person.

I loved the vidja though.

 

[Kupo Rose]

Thanks Kinzer! I still can't really do the DDP too lol, I got lucky a few times in the video.

 

[Camalange]

Kinzer, get good.


You've been johning forever now about how you still can't DDP. Get like Sonikupo xD

 

[Kinzer]

NoU, I don't see you coming out with vids showing that you can CONSISTENTLY DDP.

I'm waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiitinnnnnnnnnnnnnnng!

 

[Camalange]

NoU, I don't see you coming out with vids showing that you can CONSISTENTLY DDP.

I'm waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiitinnnnnnnnnnnnnnng!

lol, I should steal my friends capture card and make a video, just for you xD



Speaking of which, I need new videos. Hopefully I can get some at my tourney this weekend, which got canceled for about an hour then came back xD

Only if Chibo would get around to uploading our set.

 

[Kinzer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEVu...o/video.aspx?id=20142&feature=player_embedded

If only for No. 10. Amirite gaiz?

 

[infomon]

lol wow, congrats umble!

 

[Suna]

Critique my Sonic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJHx8gmifTA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrLtC7vj70


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KqfnmcntbI

 

[SoupaSonic]

A couple tips I'd give to you Suna is to not use your F-Smash to punish or just to attack. Try your f-tilt or d-tilt (I do the D-tilt to u-tilt at low percentages) and don't spam your jab like you did against Lucario (unless your doing a jab lock) and if the person your fighting is holding up their shield for a while be aware that they might go for a shield grab. You could grab them while their shield is up too. Oh and never to a random D-air again, unless your at the top of your spring jump to cancel the horrible ending lag. I'd still wouldn't do it without any purpose since you could get KO'd if they predict it. I'd wait for Chis or someone else who knows a lot about Sonic in smash to critique your fights (I suck at Critiquing, I'm too nice...)

 

[Suna]

A couple tips I'd give to you Suna is to not use your F-Smash to punish or just to attack. Try your f-tilt or d-tilt (I do the D-tilt to u-tilt at low percentages) and don't spam your jab like you did against Lucario (unless your doing a jab lock) and if the person your fighting is holding up their shield for a while be aware that they might go for a shield grab. You could grab them while their shield is up too. Oh and never to a random D-air again, unless your at the top of your spring jump to cancel the horrible ending lag. I'd still wouldn't do it without any purpose since you could get KO'd if they predict it. I'd wait for Chis or someone else who knows a lot about Sonic in smash to critique your fights (I suck at Critiquing, I'm too nice...)

ok thanks I was wondering when I would get a response lol, but yea thanks for that and I'll wait for someone like Chis it come too

 

[Chis]

What SoupaSonic said.

Annnnddd...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJHx8gmifTA

0:10 Failed DDP?
0:19 Ftilt > Fsmash
0:21 Why HA?
0:24 Fair doesn't Auto cancel from low platforms, ASC from it instead
0:30 Why dair?
0:32 Seems that you blanked there, ftilt over Fsmash again
-:-- Using laggy moves like smashes to punish tilts is not good
0:42 Nair? Using sh fair is better at keeping momentum, it's faster, has more range and auto cancels from a short hop
1:07 ??? He wasn't even in range, that's begging for punishment
-:-- There are better ways to space yourself between someone. You're Sonic, dash/walk instead
-:-- spring > DI is safer then spring dair
3:25 .... Don't do that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrLtC7vj70

0:07 Spring out
0:21 ...
0:23 Completely un needed and you got punished
-:-- You keep throwing out these laggy attacks and hope they hit something (Fsmash, hypno smash, Dsmash, HA) even when no one is near.
2:53 That Fsmash and Nair spam is no good. How is using two laggy moves in a predictable fashion when you're at killing percentage a good idea?
-:-- You keep randomly HA, failing, then spring > dair to compensate. How about you stop randomly HA?

SUM UP
- STOP USING FSMASH, ITS SLOW AND LAGGY
- Save Fsmash for kills, uses ftilt
- You keep trying to spin dash in the middle of peoples attacks, don't do that
- You keeping spin dashing into people’s attacks
- Stop HA period
- Stop throwing out moves like people are going to run into them
- Use tilts and grabs to punish, not smashes
- Space yourself with waking/dashing and not rolling
- Mix up your throw game, up throw > down throw when the people you fight know how to tech it
- STOP CHARGING SMASHES
- Learn WHEN to use smashes
- Learn how to turn around pivot correctly, since it seemed that you liked to do that
- Don't punish moves with smashes unless you intend to kill with the hit
- Never sh dair again
- Fair > Nair
- Don't spam side steps
- I saw DDP fails? Needs more practice
- Stop doing laggy moves then compensating them with another laggy move
- Don't Fsmash if no one is even near you, don't even charge it
- Practice spacing

 

[ShadoFiend]

After watching ShadoFiend's combo/highlight video for god knows how many times, I just had to make my own!

Un-Gravitify - Sonic Combo Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN1BLjKIX6M

...Still can't find Scourge texture lol...

edit:@Chis: Hope you don't mind me showing that grab streak I got on you >.>

Lol Scourge too goodz

Loved the vid. And nice Music choice You deserve this because you certainly did a great job.