Yunior597
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Mk unbanned!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make the thread now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Very true post.If Meta Knight becomes unbanned, that's fine. Players now have all the information at their hands, and so it will no longer be a thought experiment as to which is better for the community. So now, when the dialogue comes up again, it will be a fair one. Some arguments were rather whimsical for both sides, but now both will be grounded in reality.
Ambassador's are not staff, though they were originally mentioned to have moderation influence in the thread JV posted. That, however, is not true.What's the difference between an ambassador and a senator
I'm not really sure what you mean. As part of the Senate I had a say in the decision to disband the URC. I also, over a year ago, had a hand in implementing the then URC. It was approved/given power by the GM at the time (early 2011), but someone had to run something (think of it like this: the president gives approval for something, but he appoints someone to run it).Sanji Himura said:Words have meanings. Don't imply that you yourself moved to disban something and take credit for starting said something. It makes you lose all credibility relating to the topic at hand.
Cite sources? I used posts in this thread. YOU'RE the one being ignorant and deflecting. Go read every post like I did before you make yourself look any worse than you already have.You respond well to challenges to the bull**** you spew. How about you cite sources instead of making random assertions.
Or, you could deflect the argument just because big, bad Ryker called you a ******.
Note: There's the insult so you can avoid the point again. Aren't I nice?
I've read every post in this thread, and its usually people talking about Illuminati nonsense like the Senate and backrooms, which should ALL be disbanded for the record.Did you bother to read all of the posts in this thread? There's not that many. It is misplaced anger because they did not make the sticky rule, they had to follow it. The decision to make this rule was in place as Unity was formed, and the decision to get rid of it was also not up to Unity. How are you going to hate them for something that wasn't in their control? They're not force feeding anything, they're following the rules that were already in place for them.
If you don't like the ruleset, then don't use it lol. National/Regional tournaments are usually stickied yes, but Locals don't usually get stickied from what I've seen. And if a National/Regional doesn't get stickied, they generate enough hype themselves, and from other advertising (facebook/AiB/word of mouth/whatever) that they don't really need a sticky. If you're complaining about your local not getting stickied because of non-Unity, complain about it now that there is no "Unity Sticky Rule" when it's not stickied this time.
People are hating the idea of Unity more than what it actually was. Too caught up in this "I Hate Unity" mode to actually look and listen to what the people from Unity have said about what happened. I didn't like the Unity Ruleset all that much, but I don't blame them for things that were not their fault.
Lol, you're clueless. You sit there being belligerent and call it debating.Cite sources? I used posts in this thread. YOU'RE the one being ignorant and deflecting. Go read every post like I did before you make yourself look any worse than you already have.
I lost at "which should all be disbanded". Why should the Senate, a higher-leveled moderation group on the forum, be disbanded? Because they're staff and they make decisions for the forums? I'm sure you could give a good reason if you're going to spew this BS.Cite sources? I used posts in this thread. YOU'RE the one being ignorant and deflecting. Go read every post like I did before you make yourself look any worse than you already have.
I've read every post in this thread, and its usually people talking about Illuminati nonsense like the Senate and backrooms, which should ALL be disbanded for the record.
As people hating on unity and its idea, I feel like its deserved in this case, because the rule set is being forcibly fed to people. Also, if they REALLY didn't have control over nationals/regionals getting stickied for using unity or not, then why did the backrooms make the rule in the first place for forcibly make people use it. Stop being ignorant. The URC wanted their ruleset used so they made a rule people had to follow or their tournaments wouldn't get hype or views. Would most people honestly go past 1-3 pages just to see if a tournament was in their area?
I lol'd at "Stop being ignorant."Cite sources? I used posts in this thread. YOU'RE the one being ignorant and deflecting. Go read every post like I did before you make yourself look any worse than you already have.
I've read every post in this thread, and its usually people talking about Illuminati nonsense like the Senate and backrooms, which should ALL be disbanded for the record.
As people hating on unity and its idea, I feel like its deserved in this case, because the rule set is being forcibly fed to people. Also, if they REALLY didn't have control over nationals/regionals getting stickied for using unity or not, then why did the backrooms make the rule in the first place for forcibly make people use it. Stop being ignorant. The URC wanted their ruleset used so they made a rule people had to follow or their tournaments wouldn't get hype or views. Would most people honestly go past 1-3 pages just to see if a tournament was in their area?
Lol, you're clueless. You sit there being belligerent and call it debating.
Before I address this nonsense, let me establish three critical facts that are relevant to this conversation.I'm not really sure what you mean. As part of the Senate I had a say in the decision to disband the URC. I also, over a year ago, had a hand in implementing the then URC. It was approved/given power by the GM at the time (early 2011), but someone had to run something (think of it like this: the president gives approval for something, but he appoints someone to run it).
What would be bad is if I let my own personal attachments to something get in the way of a Smashboards decision if said something is not working. It is not hypocritical to eventually realize something is not working.
1. True.Sanji Himura said:1. You were in charge of the MLG Brawl tournaments in 2010.
2. Before that MLG season, the rules that they[MLG] put out did NOT match the Brawl Back Room recommended ruleset. One featured example is MLG allowing Pokemon Stadium 2 as a Counter pick stage.
3. You, yourself was a strong opponent of any tournament being featured on AiB at the time that was using the MLG ruleset rather than BBR.
Notice: the BBR Recommended Ruleset placed stages in dual categories. Funnily enough though, your example is completely wrong in that PS2 was a CP stage in the BBR 2.0 RR.BBR Recommended Ruleset 2.0 said:Starter
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island
Starter/Counter
Castle Siege
Halberd
Lylat Cruise
Pokémon Stadium 1
Counter
Brinstar
Delfino (moved from S/C)
Frigate Orpheon
Jungle Japes
Pictochat
Pirate Ship
Pokémon Stadium 2
Rainbow Cruise
Counter/Banned
Distant Planet (moved from C)
Green Greens
Luigi's Mansion (moved from C)
Port Town Aero Dive
Yoshi's Island (Pipes) (moved from C)
Norfair (moved from C)
I pushed for the 'Unity Ruleset', this is true, and I clearly haven't denied that, even stating I, after all, helped start the whole endeavor. The GM of Smashboards and Co-Founder of AiB was actually the one who came up with and suggested the 'sticky'/'featured' tournament policy to me after being presented with the idea of a standard ruleset.Sanji Himura said:Yeah, it might have been approved by the GM, but who really pushed for it? You saw all of the TO's across the country that was not using the BBR ruleset in 2010, and then the Unity ruleset in 2011-2012. Heck, even I didn't use it at my tournament last year. You and some of the back room gathered data on what rulesets were being used over that year and presented it to the GM and asked him if you can establish a Ruleset committee to be the final say all to the rules of Brawl. He approved.
That is surprising. Without one, there would seems to be hardly any unity in our rulesets at all. Look at west coast vs east coast, items or no items?Wow a Samurai Panda post O_o
Anyways, I cosign my dislike of the recommended rulesets.
I meant how the BBR made Recommended rulesets, my bad for bad communication there.That is surprising. Without one, there would seems to be hardly any unity in our rulesets at all. Look at west coast vs east coast, items or no items?
Whether we had a unity ruleset or recommended ruleset, nearly every region would mostly agree on generally the same things. 3 stock, 8 minutes, no items. A counterpick system involving stages and characters along with universally accepted rules such as infinite dimensional cape ban.
Most differences seem to really only be minor. Such as the number of neutrals or what counterpick stages are used. MK ban was really the only big thing going on.
Smh, "if it wasn't a majority"This.
If it wasn't a majority, then he wouldn't have been banned in the first place. .
The stink started to appear?When we first started the URC we had good intentions, GOOD stuff was getting done and we saw the results of our work. As we added **** people to the URC, the stink started to appear. Then ******** stuff was going down back there and 3 of us(Me/Chibo and one other dude) were like "this is not the URC we want to be apart of" so we considered quitting. Few days later, BOOM. URC died. So yea im kinda happy its gone and kinda sad its gone.
edit: F the URC for not listenting to me about the card system. I told you guys how to fix it and yall refused so POOP ON U. But good job on getting the mk ban in the lime light, this needed to get done.
you have never seen a smell? dude WHERE HAVE YOU BEENThe stink started to appear?
Majority is a majority is a majority. For whatever reasons, more people still wanted him banned than not, no matter what the reason. :v.Smh, "if it wasn't a majority"
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13468750&postcount=153
read the post by JPOBS and pay extra attention to the bottom two lines in green (i could care less about the part with M2Ks response)
In case of TL;DR:
"The MK debate is a matter of practicality: Do you think we should ban the best character who beats your favorite character.
Of course the poll is gonna be overwhelming in favor of pro ban"
Most characters worst matchup/least enjoyable is MK, give me one reason as let's say a Diddy main or Olimar main to say no to the MK ban. I would lose absolutely nothing out of it, and only gain possible tournament victories...
inb4democracysucks http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...631804_176890359032890_806675_776538568_n.jpgMajority is a majority is a majority. For whatever reasons, more people still wanted him banned than not, no matter what the reason. :v.
I really don't understand what was not to like about those. I mean...they addressed almost all viewpoints of the game and just gave a base set of rules for someone newer or experienced at TO'ing to use however they wanted.I meant how the BBR made Recommended rulesets, my bad for bad communication there.
Dang, you and bizkit have been some of my favorite posters ever since this place got disbanded, lol.When we first started the URC we had good intentions, GOOD stuff was getting done and we saw the results of our work. As we added **** people to the URC, the stink started to appear. Then ******** stuff was going down back there and 3 of us(Me/Chibo and one other dude) were like "this is not the URC we want to be apart of" so we considered quitting. Few days later, BOOM. URC died. So yea im kinda happy its gone and kinda sad its gone.
edit: F the URC for not listenting to me about the card system. I told you guys how to fix it and yall refused so POOP ON U. But good job on getting the mk ban in the lime light, this needed to get done.
Yeah, except it does.appeal to majority is an awful argument; it says nothing about whether something actually should/deserves to be banned.
You're ********.Honestly it shouldn't even matter what their reasoning is, even if it's because they don't like his alternate colors. They are just as invested in the game and spend as much time with it as anyone else. Someone's opinions shouldn't be discredited solely because of their skill.
That's democracy for you.Yeah, except it does.
If the majority of the people playing the game want something to be banned then why shouldn't it? Oh "hurr durr they're biased because they're not even good at the game and they don't even know how to beat mk they suck we shouldn't listen to them" blah blah blah. That argument is the worst. Ever.
Honestly it shouldn't even matter what their reasoning is, even if it's because they don't like his alternate colors. They are just as invested in the game and spend as much time with it as anyone else. Someone's opinions shouldn't be discredited solely because of their skill.
A high level player who mains MK and places top 8 at nationals is just as vulnerable to bias (except in that scenario it's in your favor so obviously you only care what he has to say!) as someone who just went to their first tournament and got dead last. He's spending his time and money on the game just like everybody else.
A huge majority of this community thinks the game would be better without MK. No matter how hard anti-ban tries to discredit this it's still an absolute point of concern. You can't just blow it off like it's nothing. Low/mid level players are the ones that fuel tournaments and pot prizes. Where would this community be without that 80%? (I think it was 80%? something like that.)
I would get into other idiotic boulders that anti-ban needs to get over, such as how hypocritical it is that their deadset against listening to the majority when if it was on the opposite end they would stop at nothing to prove how much the majority means, and how most anti-banners act like that poll is the only argument pro-ban has. I'm bored though, and I'm sure this post will be glossed over and people will just continue with their complete disregard for anything logical anyone they disagree with has to say and the neverending cycle of sensationalist comments and everyone calling each other free will continue at it's usual concerning pace.
I lost.You're ********.
Despite his penchant for trolling, he does know quite a bit about Melee. My guess is that he's more serious on those boards (then again, I have him on ignore).How SB is in any backroom boggles my mind.