That has to be literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site.
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The Unhappy Thread
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Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
To elaborate, in my experience drugs seem to be pretty pointless as the high never seems to be worth all the crap that comes with it. If you're planning on doing drugs, don't, just get drunk with your mates instead of wasting your time with them. They're just a pointless waste of time and money and booze can be a good enough substitute I think.
Seikend
Smash Journeyman
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>Implying that alcohol isn't a drug.
Taking "drugs" and getting high isn't really different from drinking booze and getting drunk. One's just socially acceptable.
I mean, at least some drugs have good highs. Alcohol is a depressant lol.
Oh yeah wow what a healthy message to be sending out to the kids!
Also, I think it depends entirely on what drug you're talking about, but unfortunately drug talk is pretty much completely prohibited on this site. So umm... stop?
Also what LT said.
Kanelol
Smash Lord
I could give a **** about whether or not people are impressed by my drug-taking, I know for a fact the majority of people I know generally disapprove, and I honestly don't give a ****. An overall hedonistic approach, combined with my general disdain of pretty much everyone anyway to what I like to call unending "not-give-a-****-i-tude"
And now, if I could address this:
As a matter of fact, take it a little farther. If nothing matters in life, then you have no reason to live. Might as well just kill yourself now and gift unto someone else way down the line the extra food and oxygen. But you won't do that, clearly. That's just silly, and you're indubitably too self-important to understand that the world doesn't revolve around you or your opinions. Obviously your self-imposed death would be beneficial in some martyr-esque way, but you continue living.
The only rational causation one could propose for this is that you know on some intellectual level that the only reason you can go on living your life is by wrapping yourself in some brutally selfish cocoon, safely bundled away from the scary idea that everyone else gives as little of a **** about your life as you do about theirs. You either care about yourself and only yourself, or you don't care about anything at all.
I'm honestly not even offended, I'm just a little astounded at how easily you can dismiss the entirety of someone's life, and by proxy, life in general, due to what I can only assume is some sort of child-hood insecurity or predispositioned prejudice against drugs or drug users.
I'm rambling now, but the point remains: Don't make broad, apathetic, semi-nihilistic statements unless.. Well, truthfully, there is no qualifier for that one. Just don't do it, it's condescending and leads to rants that no one will read, just like this one.
And now, if I could address this:
Hold on a minute sparky. The fact that you apparently have nothing to live for doesn't give credence to the theory that no one else does either. If nothing really matters, what would the point be in doing anything? In what futile attempt do you continue to post on this little forum nestled away in cyberspace? What's the point of putting irritating, pseudo-philosophical phrases all over your profile in aforementioned forum?
As a matter of fact, take it a little farther. If nothing matters in life, then you have no reason to live. Might as well just kill yourself now and gift unto someone else way down the line the extra food and oxygen. But you won't do that, clearly. That's just silly, and you're indubitably too self-important to understand that the world doesn't revolve around you or your opinions. Obviously your self-imposed death would be beneficial in some martyr-esque way, but you continue living.
The only rational causation one could propose for this is that you know on some intellectual level that the only reason you can go on living your life is by wrapping yourself in some brutally selfish cocoon, safely bundled away from the scary idea that everyone else gives as little of a **** about your life as you do about theirs. You either care about yourself and only yourself, or you don't care about anything at all.
I'm honestly not even offended, I'm just a little astounded at how easily you can dismiss the entirety of someone's life, and by proxy, life in general, due to what I can only assume is some sort of child-hood insecurity or predispositioned prejudice against drugs or drug users.
I'm rambling now, but the point remains: Don't make broad, apathetic, semi-nihilistic statements unless.. Well, truthfully, there is no qualifier for that one. Just don't do it, it's condescending and leads to rants that no one will read, just like this one.
I thought alcohol was supposed to be worse for you than soft-core drugs. Well I know alcohol is responsible for more deaths than smoking and all recreational drugs combined.
Plus, countries that have legalised soft-core drugs have lower crime rates and less drug-related deaths.
Alcohol is a drug too, unless you're defining drugs as that which isn't socially accepted, at which point many medicines wouldn't be classified as drugs either. I get the feeling the only reason why alcohol is acceptable is because it stimulates the economy. Drinking is a social thing, when you drink, you want to drink more, go out, buy food etc. all of which injects money into the economy. Whereas if you have a joint at home, you probably won't feel like going out and "injecting money into the economy".
Edit- Kanelol: Technically, if nothing matters, then not killing yourself, or non-existence, doesn't matter either, meaning that whilst there is no reason for anything in life, there is no reason to kill yourself either. At that point, all actions become contingent or accidental in his philosophical framework, and he is free to act for subjective, arbitrary purposes other than objective "meaning".
Plus, countries that have legalised soft-core drugs have lower crime rates and less drug-related deaths.
Alcohol is a drug too, unless you're defining drugs as that which isn't socially accepted, at which point many medicines wouldn't be classified as drugs either. I get the feeling the only reason why alcohol is acceptable is because it stimulates the economy. Drinking is a social thing, when you drink, you want to drink more, go out, buy food etc. all of which injects money into the economy. Whereas if you have a joint at home, you probably won't feel like going out and "injecting money into the economy".
Edit- Kanelol: Technically, if nothing matters, then not killing yourself, or non-existence, doesn't matter either, meaning that whilst there is no reason for anything in life, there is no reason to kill yourself either. At that point, all actions become contingent or accidental in his philosophical framework, and he is free to act for subjective, arbitrary purposes other than objective "meaning".
Kanelol
Smash Lord
Ok, so I love you
and is this what happens in the Debate Hall
because I might have to go there occasionally
Yes but you also have to consider alcohol's legality as opposed to that of illicit substances.
If the same number of people were taking illicit substances as there are drinking, then I'm sure there would be a huge change in those statistics. Nevertheless, ethanol is indeed a drug and a very potent one at that, but to say that it is far more dangerous than illegal drugs is absurd.
I'm pretty sure if you were driving under the influence of pretty much any illegal drug, you'd be just as much if not more of a danger than a drunk. Not only that, some drugs' mind altering and hallucinogenic properties can cause massive knock on damage. Thing is, one can easily go down to the pub and have one too many, whereas generally people are far more wary of illegal drugs even if they do choose to take them.
Drugs are by no means less potentially dangerous than alcohol. Alcohol's danger doesn't really come from its immediate toxicity, it's the mind altering nature and loss of coordination that makes it dangerous. Transfer that concept over to pretty much any drug out there and you'll see that drugs are definitely not "safer".
Kanelol
Smash Lord
You already have the legality argument won, I don't see why you consider it necessary to continue to (uninformedly, i might add) harp on the negative side-effects of drug use.
Vilifying drugs that are, quantitatively, not as bad for anyone as alcohol use for the simple reason that aforementioned drugs are already illegal is the same boring stereotyping prejudice we've all seen a million times before. It baffles me that people will verbally rebel against some sort of amorphous, neo-nazi socialist system they seem to think we have in place in America and then allow that same system to tell people how to think and feel about what to put into their own bodies. I think it's been established at this point that if you let the judicial system do your thinking for you, there's not gonna be a lot of thinking done.
I'm not condoning driving drunk or drugged, or even condoning drug and alcohol use. I'm just saying it seems like your opinions on this whole matter are mostly influenced by propaganda and minor legality issues.
I understand precautionary warnings and all that, but if you want to talk about potential danger for a moment, the potential dangers of both drugs and alcohol pale in comparison to the potential danger of even just one stupid person.
EDIT: I just reread this post and saw how it could be misinterpreted. I'm not saying that all drugs are better for you than alcohol. Obviously if you're smoking crack or something it's much much worse than cracking open a few beers, but I've still got a point dammit.
Vilifying drugs that are, quantitatively, not as bad for anyone as alcohol use for the simple reason that aforementioned drugs are already illegal is the same boring stereotyping prejudice we've all seen a million times before. It baffles me that people will verbally rebel against some sort of amorphous, neo-nazi socialist system they seem to think we have in place in America and then allow that same system to tell people how to think and feel about what to put into their own bodies. I think it's been established at this point that if you let the judicial system do your thinking for you, there's not gonna be a lot of thinking done.
I'm not condoning driving drunk or drugged, or even condoning drug and alcohol use. I'm just saying it seems like your opinions on this whole matter are mostly influenced by propaganda and minor legality issues.
I understand precautionary warnings and all that, but if you want to talk about potential danger for a moment, the potential dangers of both drugs and alcohol pale in comparison to the potential danger of even just one stupid person.
also, loss of coordination, lol
EDIT: I just reread this post and saw how it could be misinterpreted. I'm not saying that all drugs are better for you than alcohol. Obviously if you're smoking crack or something it's much much worse than cracking open a few beers, but I've still got a point dammit.
Well see I can't really provide first hand experience as a reference since that's against the rules. I'm not saying DRUGS ARE GOING TO KILL YOU WITH ONE HIT, I'm saying the effect of drunkenness leading on is what causes the deaths. And okay for one sake of argument, imagine you've taken a hit of acid and decide to drive. Do you honestly think that that isn't comparable if not more dangerous than driving drunk?
Even under the effect of cannabis, which people seem to think is like so super safe obv, the level to which is slows down your reflexes is actually underappreciated. Driving baked really is just as bad as driving drunk. Also people seem not to realise that when you get really really drunk, you're drinking to a level that's close to its overdose limit. When you see someone puking everywhere and passing out, they've technically overdosed on ethanol.
So in a way, it's the way that alcohol is used that gives it most of its rep, but yeah all I'm saying is, you can't really be like "oh drugs aren't as bad as booze", because most people don't even know the biochemical mechanisms that underly their highs. The things that drugs actually do are quite significant. It's just people generally do drugs in more controlled environments and less recklessly than drinking (mainly due to the fact that they don't want to get arrested).
Still though, I just really have a pet peeve of people thinking drugs are less dangerous than alcohol. That may be the case with immediate toxicity levels in a certain number of cases, but like I said, immediate toxicity isn't why alcohol is actually dangerous, it's what being under the influence can lead to.
Edit: Whatever though what one does with their body is their choice. Also really REALLY would appreciate us not delving too deep into the drug territory. Right now we're on the edge but it could easily slip into rule breaking territory so just be wary.
3mmanu3lrc
Smash Lord
@Dre It's a rounded business.
Soz, but I don't know what you're referring to, and even if I did, I don't know what that statement meant. I'll need you to clear those things up for me.
3mmanu3lrc
Smash Lord
Oh, well, sorry for that poor post I made, the problem was that I was with my supervisor disscusing some C# codes for some ASP.NET WebSites I'm developing.
Anyway, I said that because of this:
However, I don't know if rounded business is the correct expresion for it.
My english is kind of poor in some terminologies
Peeze
Smash Master
WTF did this thread just turn into?
Kanelol
Smash Lord
I'm unhappy that this thread devolved into some half cocked debate
I've drove on acid before no biggy I'd never dream of driving drunk. That's more of a Personal thing though
Once you are dead, you were nothing but a fart that stank for a couple seconds then disappeared forever.
"Nothing matters" is not a negative philosophy. It is uplifting and liberating. I can go on living in the face of utter pointlessness. I can make my own path and meaning, or if I don't want to, I won't. It's complete power. I wasn't even referencing other people's lives and beliefs because honestly I don't care about them. I don't care if they don't care because it doesn't matter. On the other hand, hedonism has more of an effect on other people's lives than anything I have said. Take that as you will. I believe you should attach yourself to something bigger than yourself and serve that purpose no matter what it be. And who cares if you're happy or sad and who cares if other people are happy or sad?
It's not condescending, it's what I "believe". Sorry to have offended you. Well, not really.
also, stop with the explicit personal drug use posts because that's a "no no" here. I've gotten in trouble for it in even in the private boards.
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
Looks like I learned my lesson: Saying "Don't do drugs kids" = Bad and stupid.
No. Glorifying alcohol (a drug)=bad and stupid
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
Compared to the alternative: Giving out unrealistic advice to someone doing drugs "stop doing it, also don't drink either" = Good and smart. That's like telling teenagers the only form of birth control in no sex before marraige.
Everything is black or white.
Peeze
Smash Master
What a closed minded view point
The Pool Room being obtuse makes me unhappy.
Let's be honest, it's more entertaining this way.
LT- You say it's a liberating lifestyle to believe nothing matters, but I don't see how that lifestyle is different to amoral hedonism. If you're actions aren't aimed towards some objective good/purpose, the only other real reason to act is pleasure (or perhaps just acting in attempted total randomness, which I doubt you do).
Also, you say nothing matters, but what would it take to convince you that things do matter? I'm not talking about persuasive arguments, I'm asking how the world would need to be for you to be convinced that things do matter.
Edit- Why does this place have no Social Thread? It's pretty funny that of all places the general discussion boards don't have a social. Even the Debate Hall has a social.
It has no social thread because it's a general discussion room, which makes the entire room social in nature.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
job corps is a vocational school, not a job.
also i learned wednesday that they also require 120 hours of volunteer work for graduation. i've been volunteering on the side whilst i wait to be accepted. i'm hoping those hours transfer over. =]
also i learned assembly line is pretty awesome, and is exactly what i look for in work. i don't like it, but i don't dislike it, and my skills adhere to whats required. i'm organized, and a quick efficient worker.
=]
quote
Smash Lord
Right now I need as much sympathy as I can get whether I deserve it or not.
Long story short a mountainous pile of crap crapped on me and I'm bailing on taking a couple of people to a tournament. Now I'm being pressured into going anyway almost regardless of any and all problems I have.
I had a hell of a week. Nothing but people setting the bar too high for me to achieve and the people I depend upon letting me down. I am solidly depressed right now, and all the people around me, friend, family and ******* alike, are completely ignorant to that.
I need a real friend -- someone blindly cares about me no matter what.
I need someone I can privately discuss my problems with. I'm at the verge of taking stuff out on other people or myself either verbally of physically.
Long story short a mountainous pile of crap crapped on me and I'm bailing on taking a couple of people to a tournament. Now I'm being pressured into going anyway almost regardless of any and all problems I have.
I had a hell of a week. Nothing but people setting the bar too high for me to achieve and the people I depend upon letting me down. I am solidly depressed right now, and all the people around me, friend, family and ******* alike, are completely ignorant to that.
I need a real friend -- someone blindly cares about me no matter what.
I need someone I can privately discuss my problems with. I'm at the verge of taking stuff out on other people or myself either verbally of physically.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
I've been in that situation and garnered a huge amount of additional crap for not taking them.
You're happy to pm/main/im/etc me tho. =]
You're happy to pm/main/im/etc me tho. =]
quote
Smash Lord
Thanks. I appreciate this a lot. This is literally the only good thing that's happened to me all day.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Aww.
Poor Quote.
I've been on the receiving end of losing a ride to a tournament, it sucks yea, but I realize people have other priorities. Do what you gotta do mang.
Colonel Cuddles
Smash Journeyman
Im unhappy the Happy Thread isn't stickied yet.
3mmanu3lrc
Smash Lord
Wow, actually that face in your avatar seems to be really unhappy.
And I'm Unhappy because I'm really sick, and tomorrow morning I have to take an exam at college.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
Wow, same exact thing happened to me the day before I took my exam. I took the exam, but I felt awful.Wow, actually that face in your avatar seems to be really unhappy.
And I'm Unhappy because I'm really sick, and tomorrow morning I have to take an exam at college.
Merkuri
Smash Lord
- Joined
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I really have little idea of what I am doing in my paralegal class. This sucks because the paralegal course is the course I need to ace the most, so that I can get the previous F(it's my second time taking the course) removed from my transcript and graduate with honors.
You have a good point there.
The main difference between my beliefs and hedonism is that I don't place much value on my own happiness. I am miserable a good amount of the time, but I accept that. I don't strive for complete and utter happiness at all times in my life. I feel that is false. Life is entropy and absurdity. It is dark and light. I don't consciously act at all times as determined as any specific belief system.
My actions are indeed aimed at a purpose (art) but I don't feel the need to place an objective "meaning" on that or have that completely control all of my life choices. I feel that expressing a piece of art that can inspire other people to reflect on themselves or even uplift them is the most vital thing beyond simple survival.
As for your second point, that is just too hypothetical a scenario for me to even consider. I can't really fathom a world and existence that isn't chaos like ours is. The simplest answer I could give is if there was definitely a God and he regularly came down from the heavens and was completely visible and completely clear about His vision and morals and there was some undeniable proof of "wrong" and "right", which in our actual existence are just societal constructs.
also, making a social thread for the pool room is like making a video game thread for the lighthouse
So I can't go to two back to back tournaments simply cause the folks say, "Because I said so."
Seriously, if they could give me one legit reason, i'd be fine, but "because I said so" seems like BS to me. To make it worse, I haven't really done anything wrong to have privileges taken away...
Seriously, if they could give me one legit reason, i'd be fine, but "because I said so" seems like BS to me. To make it worse, I haven't really done anything wrong to have privileges taken away...
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
Man I'm glad I'm not a child anymore. I'd hate it when I'd argue circles around my parents and they'd say no for arbitrary reasons.
There have been times where I gave my parents irrefutable evidence supporting my case and debunking theirs in an argument and have them still punish me.
What the ****, man?
I love being an adult because now I can tell them "you're wrong, this is why." and have them actually respect me for it.
There have been times where I gave my parents irrefutable evidence supporting my case and debunking theirs in an argument and have them still punish me.
What the ****, man?
I love being an adult because now I can tell them "you're wrong, this is why." and have them actually respect me for it.
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
So I went to my driving theory test that I've been waiting a good 2 months for, had woken up early and done some more revision so it'd all be fresh in my mind, turned up 10 minutes early (or 5 minutes late according to them, apparently I have to turn up 15 minutes before my test) with my liscence in hand and the letter they'd sent me confirming my booking, but I'd forgotten to bring some green slip of paper that apparently is my actual driving liscence.
They said I wasn't allowed to go home and get it and wouldn't let me do the test, now I've got to wait until April to do it. Didn't get my money back either, feel like I've been robbed.
They said I wasn't allowed to go home and get it and wouldn't let me do the test, now I've got to wait until April to do it. Didn't get my money back either, feel like I've been robbed.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
...that ****ing sucks, holy ****.
Why not file a complaint?
Why not file a complaint?
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
Can't, they're allowed to do what they did. I could've made it home and back in time though, even my mum who was waiting out in the car said she could go home and get it for me, but they still wouldn't let me sit it. That's pretty much the only thing I would be able to file a complaint about I guess but it'd just be pointless and wouldn't achieve anything anyway, I wouldn't get my money back, so I'm not going to bother.