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[JFox]

Um, no one says that you have to play Brawl. If ya don't like it, just don't play it. And if you do like it, just play it. Why are people arguing? Do you think that there is going to be a winner or something?

 

[Inui]

Inui and Spam did great cause I let them borrow my Wii overnight to learn stuff which include combos. Noobs who had the game were ***** cause they didn't know how to combo, space, think.

~100 damage combos with Pit and MK in teams = beast!

Scar, you keep saying everyone is agreeing with you but Brandon and I, and yet teh_spamerer certainly has been siding with us, as well as Keitaro right now.

 

[Legendaryhero]

Zomg Legendaryhero Post Inc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Plairnkk]

And any person who can unbias themselves for a second can see that yes brawl has taken smash backwards as far as singles go.

*clapclapclap* we have a winner!

I think the people that support brawl so fully are frustrated melee players who never could improve so they planned, WAY ahead of time, to use brawl as their escape.

When brawl came out and has many things about it that are just awful, unexplainable, and ridiculous, they cling to the game so tightly because they're afraid the game won't become competitive and they'll be forced back into the game they hit a dead-end wall in.

And for this reason alone, the legion of scrubs I think will make up a large community for brawl, but honestly I don't see melee dying for a while, not unless brawl has some gamebreaking **** that goes down

 

[Inui]

You know, I actually didn't think I'd like Brawl that much right away. I was right along aside the Brawl-bashers. I wanted to keep playing Melee.

Then I sat down, played Brawl, gave it a real chance, looked for cool stuff, met a new crew, and now I think it's awesome.

 

[Plairnkk]

Okay, and i play with azen and crew. Why do you seem to act as if I've never played?

I've played, i'm simply just not ignorant to the truth.

 

[Rain(ame)]

O.o niceness, Inui. I'm still up in the air about it. I'll just say it's cool for now. When I get more time with it...yeah, I'll be off the fence, xD. Howeva...................I've got a tourney to plan, and Brawl IS part of it, but it's not the main attraction. (Sorry Brawl enthusiasts) I'm still Pro Melee, so Melee is the main tournament, the Bigg'un. So, yeah, you see where I stand on that. I'll have more info on the Brawl Tourney as I play it more. There's another tourney involved as well. A "special" tourney.



Now back on topic, lol: So, you noticed that too about singles? It seems almost as if the game is meant more for multi-person matches. Here I thought I was crazy. >_>

 

[SwiftBass]

*clapclapclap* we have a winner!

I think the people that support brawl so fully are frustrated melee players who never could improve so they planned, WAY ahead of time, to use brawl as their escape.

well said, thats probly the best post about brawl ever.

suck it up, brawl will not be good go back to melee and regret the fact you quit waiting for your savior brawl. You already wasted enough time not playing melee waiting for brawl so you might as well get on the melee train b4 u are truly left in the dust.(not pointed at anyone specifically).

 

[Eazy23]

Not a brawl basher. just a melee lover remember this....

Inui what new things did u guys discover? I mean people keep saying learn new things as if its some surprise. Its a new game, of course new things will be discovered, that doesn't automatically make the people who say its 2 floaty or easy to be as good as melee ..wrong. Get me?
Seriously, watching people play melee can be soooo fun! At tournies or even at home! But watching people play brawl(singles) is so hard to get into. Its seriously very boring because nothing exciting happens..

My point is.. if we play brawl for a few years and it is anything less than what melee was, it is a disappointment! This game had the chance to offer a breath of fresh air into this community, and it seesm to have done that,.but it also has taken away our lungs so how the F**k can we enjoy the fresh air!!!!!!!!!

 

[Keitaro]

I just feel people are bashing on Brawl way too much way way too early.

I can obviously see the faults in this game at this point in time for example: If Melee had 3 faults, Brawl has 50. But the more and more I play with better players the more the faults decrease little by little if not just disapear. Melee also did not start with just 3 faults of course. It started with many faults, probably not as much as Brawl, but eventually new techniques/ideas came up that wiped away alot of them.

I'm not going to sit down, call the game stupid, and refuse to make it tourney worthy before it even hits our shores officially. I believe in giving things a chance and expecting too much in a game that can take years to reach full potential is just crazy imo.

 

[Ryan-K]

I just feel people are bashing on Brawl way too much way way too early.

I can obviously see the faults in this game at this point in time for example: If Melee had 3 faults, Brawl has 50. But the more and more I play with better players the more the faults decrease little by little if not just disapear.

I'm not going to sit down, call the game stupid, and refuse to make it tourney worthy before it even hits our shores officially. I believe in giving things a chance and expecting too much in a game that can take years to reach full potential is just crazy imo.

Yeah I think this hits the spot

 

[Eazy23]

I just feel people are bashing on Brawl way too much way way too early.

I can obviously see the faults in this game at this point in time for example: If Melee had 3 faults, Brawl has 50. But the more and more I play with better players the more the faults decrease little by little if not just disapear. Melee also did not start with just 3 faults of course. It started with many faults, probably not as much as Brawl, but eventually new techniques/ideas came up that wiped away alot of them.

I'm not going to sit down, call the game stupid, and refuse to make it tourney worthy before it even hits our shores officially. I believe in giving things a chance and expecting too much in a game that can take years to reach full potential is just crazy imo.

Good ish bro, and I agree fully. But I also don't think anyone should be uneccesarily optimistic. If you get a dog with 3 legs, are you wrong to assume he will never race. And if he does...he probably wont be very fast, def not as fast as ur CRAZY GREATEST FASTEST DOG EVER KNOWN TO MAN!!!!(melee for the dummies) People are just scared and rightfully so. The person developing the game basically said F**k the smash community Im going to try my best to make you unhappy. Feeling like the game doesnt live up 2 melee is simply realistic, and that is exactly what sakurai wanted.
But u know we go hard in brawl teams!!!!!!!

 

[Plairnkk]

I just feel people are bashing on Brawl way too much way way too early.

I can obviously see the faults in this game at this point in time for example: If Melee had 3 faults, Brawl has 50. But the more and more I play with better players the more the faults decrease little by little if not just disapear. Melee also did not start with just 3 faults of course. It started with many faults, probably not as much as Brawl, but eventually new techniques/ideas came up that wiped away alot of them.

I'm not going to sit down, call the game stupid, and refuse to make it tourney worthy before it even hits our shores officially. I believe in giving things a chance and expecting too much in a game that can take years to reach full potential is just crazy imo.

Very true, but going from n64 to melee they didn't intentionally work to limiting the game. It seems as if the entire goal from the development team was to limit the game. Honestly, can you see brawl being competitive in a few years to the point where everyone is on the edge of their seat watching a ridiculous m2k combo, then at the end of it everyone jumps out as it wins the tournament and goes ****ing nuts?

No, it will be like. Oh look, he fsmashed him. That was cool. Good tournament guys, see you next month.

Really though i may sound as if i'm not giving brawl a chance, but i am still playing it. I just don't like people acting like it's this amazing game that sakurai was a genius developing and it deserves to take over melee. As of now, it's NOT a good game competitively. Maybe that will change, but only time will tell. I'll still play it, i'll still beat idiots like dmbrandon and inui, but it's not going to be my main focus.

 

[Plairnkk]

Good ish bro, and I agree fully. But I also don't think anyone should be uneccesarily optimistic. If you get a dog with 3 legs, are you wrong to assume he will never race. And if he does...he probably wont be very fast, def not as fast as ur CRAZY GREATEST FASTEST DOG EVER KNOWN TO MAN!!!!(melee for the dummies) People are just scared and rightfully so. The person developing the game basically said F**k the smash community Im going to try my best to make you unhappy. Feeling like the game doesnt live up 2 melee is simply realistic, and that is exactly what sakurai wanted.
But u know we go hard in brawl teams!!!!!!!

I don't agree with you fully there, I don't think he was trying to hurt us competitive players as much as accomodate the non-competitive players, but can you really blame him? That = more money for him. When people see melee being played at a top level it's really intimidating. Brawl? Probably won't ever get to that point. The best of the best will not visually look that different from the mediocre, even if the difference is deep.

 

[Ryan-K]

Just wondering for those of you who don't like brawl as it is, what would you do to change it to make it better? The most obvious for me is more hitstun on moves I guess but I'm just curious what you all think.

 

[pockyD]

well said, thats probly the best post about brawl ever.

suck it up, brawl will not be good go back to melee and regret the fact you quit waiting for your savior brawl. You already wasted enough time not playing melee waiting for brawl so you might as well get on the melee train b4 u are truly left in the dust.(not pointed at anyone specifically).

what is this? have YOU played brawl? i doubt it, and i definitely doubt you've played it enough to know it's not good

it seems the people that are vehemently anti-brawl are people who are relatively new to the scene and feel they have improved so rapidly that they aren't ready for the scene to die because they feel their efforts are wasted

see i can make vague generalizations too

for you melee supporters, i say let the brawl players play brawl - all indications are you don't want to play melee with them anyway (except for them being dead money in tournaments lolz)

brawl supporters - who cares what the other guys say, just play the game you enjoy - if brawl is truly competitively viable, it will prove itself over time; you aren't going to CONVINCE anyone to replace melee with brawl

 

[Eazy23]

I don't agree with you fully there, I don't think he was trying to hurt us competitive players as much as accomodate the non-competitive players, but can you really blame him? That = more money for him. When people see melee being played at a top level it's really intimidating. Brawl? Probably won't ever get to that point. The best of the best will not visually look that different from the mediocre, even if the difference is deep.

True. But comments like "real men use items" shows that he was not at all trying to make the game better according to our standards. By dumbing it down he screwed us over, and he obviously knew that. Its like the game was NOT MEANT TO BE COMPETITIVE. So when people say ohh it is fine, and oh its competitive it's kind of naive. Melee was what it was by accident. How the hell are we supposed 2 make brawl that way when it was created not to be? Thats what Im saying.

 

[phish-it]

This is really a disappointment; I mean, I was hoping Brawl would be a new game and all, but not necessarily a step down from melee. I don't even really understand why Sakurai wanted to limit the game in such a way, I mean, sure it may have been less work, but with all the time they put into the other aspects it doesn't even make sense.


Whatever, the longer you guys argue, the more I procrastinate doing my homework....

 

[Eazy23]

Whatever, the longer you guys argue, the more I procrastinate doing my homework....

lol too good. I shud have been studying for my exam at 1:40 but...this is def more entertaining.

Anyway the change from brawl to melee is so drastic thats the biggest problem. Like even if the game was complete **** it would still be called smash so...people who said it was garbz would be made out to look like melee loving brawl bashing *******s. Its all good tho, everything will work out in time. If we get desperate can't we just change the gravity??? That would add a little more speed

 

[Eggm]

Kietaro with my friends tho i've played it for like 15 hours at least. I have a good deal of experience and my pikachu is quite nasty. I just don't even find the game 1/10th as fun as melee. For now. Maybe it will get better overtime, and its not that I don't know what i'm doing. Thats the problem lol. I know exactly everything you can do in the game as i keep up on it, i can perform everything you can do in the game. And its juts NOT MUCH. Seeing what i can do / can't do is the whole issue. Its so limiting and it bugs me. Melee has infinite potential. It provided an amazing base that the player can bring to an almost endless level. Its such a great game eespiecally when you get REALLY REALLY good. Its pretty funny how all the better melee players, still want to play melee no offense to anyone. I think they are improving because they can see the potential melee still has and by seeing it get better and love the game. Having that ability is also why they can see far into brawl with less hours put into it IMO and why we are bored of the limitations quicker. It might sound conceited but, thats how i feel. In any case, i hope new things come out that take away more limitations so I may enjoy the game more. I hope techinques come out that leave me in total awe and disbelief as i watch the competitive players play. when i first saw competitive melee I was like OH MY GOD I'M PLAYING THIS GAME FOREVER WOWOWWWOWOOWOw, I haven't yet got that from brawl, i hope I do tho, its really new. And for the record inui, I know that if you let ariels completey finish their animation before you land that there is no lag same thing in melee, saying that is why brawl is still good and replaces l-canceling is utterly retarted at lets me know how little you know about comboing. The fact that in melee you could start an ariel whenever to hit as far/hard as you wanted whenever you wanted and then still l-cancel and follow up is what is so amazing about it, and makes combos hard and interesting. I can do pikachu's SH every ariel but back air and have it cancel before i land for no lag, it was really useful and is what allowed me to take a round off you and spammer in teams with a partner who had never played before (no offense cheezit) and why I did really well 1v2 vs you and spammer after cheezit died. Its not like your amazing cause you do something in brawl that was in melee with gannon in brawl. Whatever, this has gone from funny to annoying. People are so ignorant.

Oh and I still will continue to play both in case brawl gets better with new found stuff. I just probably won't enter tournaments, cause I don't have fun in them. Maybe teams with Treble, cause thats pretty fun, but thats it lol. This is for brawl btw, Melee I love. And please don't bring up that I'm not entering cause I won't win and waste money, I won over 230$ from the last 2 weeks in melee a few dollars to enter brawl would kill me, I just don't think its a tournament worthy game yet, and entering would make me a hypocrite.

 

[teh_spamerer]

I think the people that support brawl so fully are frustrated melee players who never could improve so they planned, WAY ahead of time, to use brawl as their escape.

Nope, I like Brawl and am still improving at Melee.

 

[Eggm]

Nope, I like Brawl and am still improving at Melee.

Theres exceptions to every rule. And for the record I don't dislike brawl, I"m just not a super huge fanboy and want to do tournaments 2 weeks into its JAPANESE release.

 

[Ryan-K]

[I don't] want to do tournaments 2 weeks into its JAPANESE release.

qft that ****'s ******** ppl need to wait

 

[slikvik]

The tunes thread is the new brawl forums...minus all the brawl forum noobs

 

[SwiftBass]

what is this? have YOU played brawl? i doubt it, and i definitely doubt you've played it enough to know it's not good

it is very apparent that brawl is a step down from melee theres no need. unless theres some breakthrough of course. dayum theres multiple arguments goin on @ once tunes thread turned into a battlefield

 

[Emblem Lord]

Keitaro: About M2K finding combos.

Well..ummmm....LOL!1one!!!!!!

M2K hates Brawl. He hates that it will split the community. He ahtes how melee will be swept aside. He hates the fact that they removed alot of stuff from the game.

Jason Zimmerman

hates

Brawl

like the KKK

hates n*ggers.

I kid you not. He made Marth thread about any combos he would find. But then he turned around and changed the tilt and said there really aren't any long combos in brawl. CGing is one thing, but when people say combo they are tlaking about long chains of ultimate destruction. You can't do it in Brawl. The game doesn't allow for it.

WTF@ Brawl combos?

A combo is a combo. Either yo ucan do long combos or you can't. And you can't.

 

[Scar]

Scar, you keep saying everyone is agreeing with you but Brandon and I, and yet teh_spamerer certainly has been siding with us, as well as Keitaro right now.

Yeah, while everyone else in the thread is on the other side, I mean I had a huge post full of quotes of people saying "Go Scar." Come on pal, plus you have no points whatsoever besides "Brawl isn't bad" which I'm not even arguing against.

ALL I HAVE SAID IS "THERE ARE NO COMBOS IN BRAWL".

You and Spam have said yeah but uh well blah blah blah blah NOTHING.

Keitaro has said "There are Brawl combos" to which I responded "no there aren't" and he hasn't said anything since, meanwhile DMB backs me up by saying he actually mindgames people into airdodging hits that IMO they shouldn't be able to anyways.

Therefore you guys have said absolutely nothing of worth, while I have made a simple point, which is that traditional combos don't work in Brawl and they really really really really should. And therefore I don't like the game. But you guys can play it and have fun because clearly I support it and think it will have a great tournament scene.

Jesus.

I just feel people are bashing on Brawl way too much way way too early.

Again, I'm stating a simple fact about the game engine. It's not TOO EARLY to see something that is RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACES. The game engine does not allow for combos. They can't be done. This is not rocket science, it is a simple point.

I am not bashing the game by stating a fact about it. I am merely stating a fact about it that I don't like.

Very true, but going from n64 to melee they didn't intentionally work to limiting the game. It seems as if the entire goal from the development team was to limit the game.

QFT.

Just wondering for those of you who don't like brawl as it is, what would you do to change it to make it better? The most obvious for me is more hitstun on moves I guess but I'm just curious what you all think.

Yes, increase hitstun, LEAVE IN L CANCELLING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, decrease knockback on certain moves. The knee was overpowered in Melee, don't make it useless now though, wtf. A lot of things in Melee were overpowered, and Sakurai clearly just nerfed the HELL out of them, making them practically useless.

Make things fair. Fair doesn't mean "give Marth the worst dash grab in the game," it just means give him a NORMAL goddam grab range.

This is really a disappointment; I mean, I was hoping Brawl would be a new game and all, but not necessarily a step down from melee. I don't even really understand why Sakurai wanted to limit the game in such a way, I mean, sure it may have been less work, but with all the time they put into the other aspects it doesn't even make sense.

I agree with what Plank says later, Sakurai was mostly catering to the scrubs. There are a significant amount of people who love "casual" Melee but refuse to become competitive on principle. Sakurai removed this problem by removing everything about the competitive community. EVERYTHING.

Ledge stuff, sweetspotting, wave everything, shine mechanics, dashdancing, l-cancelling. It's all gone.

IMO forcing characters to not be able to let go of the ledge after grabbing it is unimaginably telling that this interpretation is in fact accurate. It's just something that the competitive community did that really didn't break the game or anything, it's just a difference. You can still roll or get up or jump or attack from the ledge immediately though.

when i first saw competitive melee I was like OH MY GOD I'M PLAYING THIS GAME FOREVER WOWOWWWOWOOWOw, I haven't yet got that from brawl, i hope I do tho, its really new. And for the record inui, I know that if you let ariels completey finish their animation before you land that there is no lag same thing in melee, saying that is why brawl is still good and replaces l-canceling is utterly retarted at lets me know how little you know about comboing.

Quoting both for truth, Brawl is entirely underwhelming, and Inui you have become somewhat bothersome, you're just not addressing new points, you're making the same one you did at 8pm yesterday and I keep refuting it in the exact same way and it's killing me to repeat myself. YOU CAN'T COMBO IN BRAWL. GANON DOING DAIRS AND GETTING PUNISHED FOR IT IS DUMB.

The tunes thread is the new brawl forums...minus all the brawl forum noobs

QFT.

it is very apparent that brawl is a step down from melee theres no need. unless theres some breakthrough of course.

QF extreme truth. What else has to be said? It's very apparent and yes, there could be a breakthrough. How the hell can anyone COUNT on that, though???

He made Marth thread about any combos he would find. But then he turned around and changed the tilt and said there really aren't any long combos in brawl. CGing is one thing, but when people say combo they are tlaking about long chains of ultimate destruction. You can't do it in Brawl. The game doesn't allow for it.

WTF@ Brawl combos?

A combo is a combo. Either yo ucan do long combos or you can't. And you can't.

THESE are intelligent. These are well stated. These are FACTS. If you don't like it, TOUGH! Be like Spam and enter a state of denial and believe that you will actually break the game's physics, or just stop arguing with me.

 

[pockyD]

some people REALLY believe in brawl O_o

 

[teh_spamerer]

If you don't like it, TOUGH! Be like Spam and enter a state of denial and believe that you will actually break the game's physics, or just stop arguing with me.

Right, I'm in a state of denial because when I can already do 30-40 damage combos with one night of Brawl consistently I don't think it's a huge stretch to say I can do more than that. and LOL at level 9s showing what can be done by advanced players. The day I see everyone powershield 90% of the time in Melee I'll believe that.

 

[CT Chia]

Another Classic Xtra Long Post By Chibo

NO TL;DRS FOR PPL INVOLVED IN THIS MESS. I tried my hardest to read all of your posts (I just couldnt go on after reading about 6-7 pages straight on the same topic)

Note: I'm replying to pretty much the last 7 or so pages of this. I didn't figure there would be so many posts after not reading it late last night of this morning... However I didn't read the latest page, as I was about to go brain dead from this discussion.

Evidentally no one cared about my last post, but who cares, I'm back with my side to the argument once again.

First off, why are all of you acting the way you are? You're all acting like kids. It all started as a semi-intelligent debate with actual facts about Brawl, but now it's people comparing personal skill, friendships, and IQ!? IQ!? This is too much. You're all too cool to be acting like this. Scar, you're awesome (ps if my chip comes in today i wanna install it at ur place tonight lolz), Plank your awesome and have the best insults but its just uneccesary fanning of flames. Inui, well... he's Inui lol. EL, keitaro, jman, spammer, your all awesome. DM, i appreciate the work you've been doing for the brawl community whether it be offer your ideas on new techniques, providing tons of videos, or your ideas on things such as stage bans.

everyone has made legitimate points throughout this now mess (yet funny in a sad way lol) of a thread, but its all going to waste now. however some things stand out beyond the rest. for one, dm has been getting a lot of hate recently, but then again i cant help but agree with some of the points. Why would you hold a Brawl tournament (well what at first seemed advertised to mainly be Brawl) with so few setups so early before the game is out? I think it's too obvious for it to be poor tournament organization, because you can't expect everyone to come as you said while providing such a small area with so few setups. I would not be surprised if it was so you could place high. Can't blame ya though, I'd love to place high at a tournament once lol. As much as we want to though, we can't have everything.

It seems the people with the most power in this discussion are the people who are better at Melee. This is a completely act of being drunk with power bringing your skill into the conversation. The community as a whole aren't "pros," yea everyone affects the shaping of a game through the community.

And finally, the depth of Brawl versus Melee. MELEE IS MORE DEEP THAN BRAWL! It's the fact. No opinions. HOWEVER, there is a chance that Brawl might become more deep in the future. I'm not saying it will, I'm not saying it wont. It's too early to decide, but every game should have a chance especially when its not even out yet globally. I personally have faith that some new adv techs will be found, but I'm not guaranteeing there is.

People are making brash statements here also like Brawl is a bad game. It's impossible to say that, it really is. Perhaps it's not perfect at the very beginning in competitive fighting game terms, but look at the amount of work put into the game. I was surprised at the amount of features in Halo 3, and I was floored by the amount of content in Orange Box for the price, but I'm absolutely stunned by Brawl. A solid story mode that takes approximately 10 hours to beat, trophies, stickers, the stadium, online, online stadium, more characters, more stages, stage creator, the vault, better graphics, plenty of control options, masterpieces, and the list goes on with seemingly no end. Brawl is an AMAZING game. Whether you like it or not as a competitive fighter is solely based on opinion.

Next, Melee combos don't work in Brawl. They just don't, accept the fact. It's sad to see no crazy to death knee combos yet, but how do we know yet there isn't one. Also, there are combos that are more than 2-3 hits. I can think of a 5 or 6 hit combo (depending on starting percent) right now off the top of my mind. And I think there are even better combos somewhere in the game, but we obviously haven't tried every combo yet. And who gave the Raptor Boost the title of supposed to lead into combos. It was never said anywhere that it has to start combos. It was good at doing so in Melee, but Brawls physics are different and things change. People can still combo out of grabs (like Mario), and there's still some very effective tech chasing (especially with Sonic). "Cheap" tactics like Dedede's chain grab doesn't get everyone. Try doing it to a game and watch, you can't. (one of the first characters I found that aren't affected by it while testing.) It's too early to depict the outcome of the game, but the more supporters we have of the game trying to get good, the faster we will find out more things.

I'm glad people are sticking by Melee, it's a great game. Personally though, I am for Brawl. I'm just too much of a sucker being an early adopter. HD-DVD drive add on for 360? Yea I got one, thanks for killing off HD-DVD the other day Toshiba. After beating the game, I contemplated that Twilight Princess was better than OOT. I later realized I was an idiot for thinking that, but you get the idea. It's all preference. I'm sure the two communities (Melee and Brawl) will learn to live easy with each other, and sucessful tourneys will flourish for both games. Who knows, maybe 4 years down the line Brawl will be as popular as Melee is now, or players new to Brawl will give Melee a shot.

Also, it's clear that this thread has two distinctive groups arguing against each other. I'm not siding with anyone. Consider me a thrid party.

 

[Teczer0]

O_O holy essays..... >_>

Everyone should end up just playing melee again as if brawl never existed

 

[DCScribZ]

some people REALLY believe in brawl O_o

I believe in Brawl about as much as I believe in God, George Bush, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus; and this guy in the link is nuts.


And no, there really is no chance that Brawl will become deeper than Melee in the future. It's physically impossible. Literally, they removed too many simple tactics that increased the level of gameplay in Melee, for there to be any number of revelations in the way people play Brawl to make it inspiring and "deep". I know that people aren't guaranteeing this, but placing any faith in this is like flushing hopes and dreams down a toilet.

However, if people do, and it becomes as in depth and fun as Melee, go for it. I just think it's a futile, lost cause.

 

[pockyD]

how can you not believe in george bush

i think his presence is very very real

 

[Plairnkk]

Right, I'm in a state of denial because when I can already do 30-40 damage combos with one night of Brawl consistently I don't think it's a huge stretch to say I can do more than that. and LOL at level 9s showing what can be done by advanced players. The day I see everyone powershield 90% of the time in Melee I'll believe that.

You can do 30-40 damage combos against who? Inui? Come on, does that really prove anything?

Come play Azen and go for your combos.

People who say combos just don't work at the beginning of the game are only looking at one side of the story. Combos didn't work at the beginning of melee? Sure they did. Combos were harder to do because we weren't as technical, but they were also harder to ESCAPE because we didn't know how. Our DI was bad, we didn't know when we could airdodge out, ETC.

In brawl, this doesn't even MATTER most the time, and for rare cases like spam who can do "30-40 damage combos" it's just because people haven't learned to escape yet.

Bottom line is brawl is OBVIOUSLY and INTENTIONALLY limiting. They've worked to make sure of it.

I'll go ahead and wait until something proves otherwise, but imo brawl is going to be a spacing projectile throwing campfest where the approacher will always lose due to an overall complete lack of mobility.

 

[DCScribZ]

how can you not believe in george bush

i think his presence is very very real

True, but perhaps I wish it wasn't.

 

[Eggm]

O_O holy essays..... >_>

Everyone should end up just playing melee again as if brawl never existed

Everyone listen to this very smart man.

 

[SwiftBass]

Everyone listen to this very smart man.

indeed now everyone gtfo of our thread son!

 

[Eazy23]

Wow this is becoming rather repetitive. Everyone is saying the same thing. Im guessing it's hard to debate effectively on the boards but wow.
Also, for the people implying that assume that because the game has been played for only 2 weeks that we can SEE nothing..you are foolish. We know what every button does and what every button combination does. We are coming off a high of melee, and we know exactly what to look for, and exactly what is needed to make a smash game competitive. If before brawl came out, everyone was asked to make a list of the intricate factors that made melee competitive you would be able to right? So why is it so hard 2 understand the people who are saying..wow this game doesnt seem to live up to melee because THOSE THINGS ARE GONE? Its common sense my friends.

 

[Scar]

I'm confused as to what points you guys are trying to make

I feel like I have said the same things over and over, and I'm tired of people missing my points, since I get everyone else's points. I'm going to summarize now, and stop posting unless someone brings up something new.

-Brawl does not have sufficient combo potential due to unchangeable game mechanics. If you don't think so, we have covered it, and I cover it again here.
-I do not believe Brawl will be as competitive as Melee, and therefore I will not play it competitively. No, it's not too early to say that. No, that doesn't mean there won't be a competitive scene. Please let me not like the game, and I am more than happy letting you enjoy it.

and LOL at level 9s showing what can be done by advanced players. The day I see everyone powershield 90% of the time in Melee I'll believe that.

You missed the point completely. lv9 cpu are programmed to airdodge out of every hit as soon as Brawl will allow. That's better than any human can. The only point I'm making is about this one aspect of the game, comboing and airdodging out. Therefore lv9 cpus are perfectly legitimate if not ideal for testing this.

The rest of your post I believe Plank addressed sufficiently so I won't reiterate.

I can think of a 5 or 6 hit combo (depending on starting percent) right now off the top of my mind. And I think there are even better combos somewhere in the game, but we obviously haven't tried every combo yet. And who gave the Raptor Boost the title of supposed to lead into combos. It was never said anywhere that it has to start combos.

This is full of things I really didn't want to see. I really don't think anyone has said Brawl is a bad game, we have all just said that it's limiting and focuses on camping and there are no combos and we don't like it.

BUT YOU GO AHEAD AND PLAY IT! YOU HAVE FUN, YOU GO WIN, YOU HAVE THE TIME OF YOUR LIFE!

Wtf @ why that isn't enough for you guys? I don't even know your position @ Inui/Keitaro at this point, it seems like all you want is for me/us to stop pointing out Brawl's flaws. Why? Who cares, you clearly don't, you like the game. So leave it be and don't worry about what we're saying.

Also, "who knows that we haven't found one" KNEE COMBO. One?!? I don't give a **** if there's one way to combo into a finishing move, that's so stupid, that's not what I'm looking for, no way, no how.

The point is, no, you can't think of a 5 or 6 hit combo off the top of your mind because you're playing against people who don't know how to get out of them. We have since last week discovered that hitstun lasts shorter than it appears and that you can in fact airdodge out of practically ANY air combo.

Your shpeal about raptor boost is downright stupid, you haven't put any thought into why it was brought up as an example, you're just being ridiculous. Falcon's fB is now a worthless move, it does absolutely nothing. wtf else is it supposed to do if it doesn't combo into anything, seriously.

And no, there really is no chance that Brawl will become deeper than Melee in the future. It's physically impossible.

I agree with Scribs. Period.

 

[Ryan-K]

I obviously can't speak for the single being that is inuibrandon but I am just annoyed at the presumptions by some people (ex: The only people that like brawl are ****ty melee players.) >_>

I don't see how someone can't take that as a flame.