The Top 5 Brawl [ US | CAN | MEX]

[M@v]

This is giving me some extra motivation to make the fox list, especially since I agree with the Fox list on here at the present moment (maybe zeton over megafox, but otherwise agree). Gonna be a summer full of shines, fairs, dairs, and upsmashes for me

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I meant I was using diddy and lived that high

Must've been lava saved. Bad stage should be banned.

 

[MVD]

Must've been lava saved. Bad stage should be banned.

Nah just being able to only get grabbed and not.hit that hard and teching the little wall

 

[Mekos]

ah okay I gotchu. Good stuff.

 

[Player-1]

for those ppl asking about the tyrant replay (zinoto with the infinite setup) I uploaded it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh1PZMMM_R4&feature=youtu.be

just keep in mind that ppl judging me based on the vid (mekos....) it was like 6 months ago lawlz.

 

[Luxord]

EDIT: Luxord plenty of recent vids of me are up, it's just no one watches them XD

And I thought I was the only one who didn't. Maybe your name isn't as appealing. I could watch a guy named Bloodcross or kismet

luxord ive been wanting to ask you this for a long time.i dont think we have met have we?

No we haven't. Doesn't mean you're not the best ROB. Kira best ROB.

Lol, I'm pretty sure a lot of people DO say that his Rob is better than US Robs based on his results.

Kira, then Ocean.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

I think Tearbear's R.O.B is better than Kira's but he has no good wins with him since he rarely uses him in tournament.

 

[Mekos]

PLAYER-1!!!! Clutch!!!! haahahahaahaha

That was sick!!!! U say your power level has grown. I hope that happens often now!! Good job buddy!!
That was legit!

 

[z00ted]

Player-1, why did the match end so abruptly?
Did he just L+R+A+START and give you your buck?

 

[Player-1]

I just editied in the description, he tried to mash out (which you can't) and accidentally paused

 

[Zinoto]

Player-1, why did the match end so abruptly?
Did he just L+R+A+START and give you your buck?

^^^ P1 said this was Game 3, so he probably did just quit out.

Lol nice. That's how I got TO Joe with it at PS4 this past weekend. I bet Tyrant was pissed lol.

EDIT: Lol same thing TO Joe did.

 

[Ayce God]

that was pretty nice player one, going by Mekos logic though, vatos better than you

 

[Mekos]

ololol well...people can't decide based on their results.

Next move is to compare two recent gameplay vids. I don't see the issue with that. Some people might continue to be biased but there are some people here who wouldn't be.

 

[Silly Kyle]

let's just wait for more tourney results and maybe more videos before we decide again

 

[MeekSpeedy]

Holy is still the best ROB.

 

[KiraFlax]

I agree that watching a player acctually play over just looking at if they won or lost. also results do have a role to play in comparing peoples skill as well i just think not as much. Both are neccesary when comparing skill thoguh i believe. cause you can say ni'gga 1 won against ni'gga 2. is ni'gga 1 better because his result was a win? if you look deeper you find out ni'gga 2 SDed once both matches and his reaction time was way off in comparison to how he was playing in the past recent tournies.

Ni'gga 1: im better than you i beat you last tourny.
Ni'gga 2: yeah you did a great job
Ni'gga 1: .... really ..... well ... yeah im better than you (I thought for sure hed call out that he sded for sure)
Ni'gga 2: hell no not really, I sded both matches,im still better than you, ni'gga

or lets say example to where results matter more. where the white man is beaten by the White man out played and everything. Is the black Man better? if you dig deeper you find out Black man has a positive record over every other race.

black man: Black Power!!!!!!!
white man: it seems your play style counters me when we play in tourney.
Black man: cause im betta than yo white *** fo sho ya foo.
white man: your exquisite lack of intellegance makes you believe your skill level is above mine. though you cant even beat those good for nothing ...........

In example A, though ni'gga 1 has the winning result over ni'gga 2 how can Ni'gga 1 prove him self better without simply out playing his opponent. In example 2 though black man outplayed the white man, but how can the black man prove himself better with having such a terrible history of slavery losses to the people the white man can beat.

This is why i believe results and seeing how both players played in a match in necessary to prove whos better.

person A: ya I beat you, out played you, beat most people you lost to. you havnt had as many wins against notable as i have, Im better than you, your worse than me, you suck, your terrible, your worthless, you should die and burn in hell for eternity.

Person B: yup. (I reallly cant say ****, he has be beat straight up.)

 

[*Cam*]

The problem is that part of being a good player is not making stupid mistakes, so saying that he SDed twice doesn't take away from the fact that he lost.

EDIT: Also, if his past tournament performance was better, then results should show that from past tournaments.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I mean, Mekos always complains about people not reading his posts, but it is like the logic that shouldn't have to be stated isn't comprehended by him sometimes. @_@

 

[KiraFlax]

ofcourse they lost but was it legit? is the person that lost worse than the other in skill?
I understand mekos he is right in a sense.

 

[MeekSpeedy]

I mean, Mekos always complains about people not reading his posts, but it is like the logic that shouldn't have to be stated isn't comprehended by him sometimes. @_@

I think I've read about 2 of his posts. (No offense to Mekos)

 

[NickRiddle]

ofcourse they lost but was it legit? is the person that lost worse than the other in skill?

We're not saying P1 is better than P2 because P1 beat P2.
We're saying P1 is better than P2 because he/she has a better record of wins than P2.

 

[Player-1]

I am better than P2 obv

 

[Mekos]

I mean, Mekos always complains about people not reading his posts, but it is like the logic that shouldn't have to be stated isn't comprehended by him sometimes. @_@

Esam Cam is talking about karaflax lol.

And I don't complain. This is an online forum. I share my input and if people don't care that is fine. And I do understand the basic logic you are talking about(I understand why people choose to only look at results). I just disagree with it. Only looking purely at results does not always paint the whole picture.

@Meekspeedy - No offense taken buddy.

 

[Dcold]

To those saying we should judge gameplay; what does it matter if you can do ____ in game. If I can grab release->Dacus perfectly, and Judo can't, what does it matter if I still lose the games I play in, and don't win, while he wins? The only thing that matters in this game, is the W. Don't understand why people haven't even realized that yet, that's like saying in basketball I can do more crossovers and fancy ****, but I can't finish and make the shot. If I don't make it, nothing else matters, and the same goes for Smash. If I don't win, then that's too bad. I can't say I'm better than someone else because I beat lesser people, and then I do better (but still lose) to top players, while they beat better people than me.

A wins/loss record is something that is completely clear and shows who won. There is no I came close to winning, it's either you got the W or not. Compare that rather than something as arbitrary as how well they played. Actually, wins/losses show who played better anyway, as they played well enough to win.

 

[MeekSpeedy]

@Meekspeedy - No offense taken buddy.

You're up to 3 posts now. <3

 

[Mekos]

To those saying we should judge gameplay; what does it matter if you can do ____ in game. If I can grab release->Dacus perfectly, and Judo can't, what does it matter if I still lose the games I play in, and don't win, while he wins? The only thing that matters in this game, is the W. Don't understand why people haven't even realized that yet, that's like saying in basketball I can do more crossovers and fancy ****, but I can't finish and make the shot. If I don't make it, nothing else matters, and the same goes for Smash. If I don't win, then that's too bad. I can't say I'm better than someone else because I beat lesser people, and then I do better (but still lose) to top players, while they beat better people than me.

A wins/loss record is something that is completely clear and shows who won. There is no I came close to winning, it's either you got the W or not. Compare that rather than something as arbitrary as how well they played. Actually, wins/losses show who played better anyway, as they played well enough to win.

Good point but I am not saying ONLY look at game play. Dude the argument is that both can be used. Not just one or the other. Player-1 and Vato are in a standoff right now because people are soley looking at their results.

Go read my post about m2k having diarrhea.

 

[Dcold]

If they're at a standoff, then just wait until there are more defining results lol.

 

[Vinylic.]

This can all end with a ditto match too, if possible.

 

[*Cam*]

We're not saying P1 is better than P2 because P1 beat P2.
We're saying P1 is better than P2 because he/she has a better record of wins than P2.

This. We aren't suggesting that we judge the whole ranking based on one match, but rather by overall records.

ofcourse they lost but was it legit? is the person that lost worse than the other in skill?
I understand mekos he is right in a sense.

I don't like making distinctions between "legit" wins and "non-legit" wins. I think it's an anti-competitive attitude to suggest that the other person got lucky because so-and-so SDed or because they weren't playing that well that particular day. It's also not fair to the person who did win for us to say "Yeah, but that win doesn't count." All tournament wins should count. One win won't be the end-all be-all, but it shouldn't be thrown out either just because someone says it's "not legit."

EDIT: KiraFlax, I understand what you mean, but I think consistency should root out the problem of someone having an off tournament.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Every win is a legit win. I accept the fact that ~1 year ago I lost to Xaltis, 8bitman, and RedHalberd. Does that make them a better player than me? No, because I have consistently better results. It doesn't matter how you look at gameplay. If you only understand the super basics and are just really good at not messing up but you don't do anything amazing, how can you say it is amazing gameplay therefore they deserve to be higher on a list? You can't. You can only objectively rank people based on rankings, REGARDLESS of how well they play during those wins or how poorly their opponents play in their losses. It. Doesn't. Matter. It. Is. Irrelevant. If you don't think so, you don't understand rankings.

 

[Player-1]

me and vato aren't at a standoff, ppl are just dumb and can't see my wins are better for some reason

 

[*Cam*]

Just show everyone your stuff at WHOBO.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This does not mean to take your pants off.

 

[TeeVee]

ocean > holy > kira/stingers/chibo tied for 3rd to 5th




rob is bad anyway though so idk why people are even talking about him.



(we could also go back to late 2010 where i had better wins than every other rob :3)

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I was just bringing up Ocean in response to Mekos. He's not even in NA, so I don't know why he's up in the air.

 

[B_AWAL]

Lol Esam w/ that Logic

 

[Cassio]

The criteria is still kind of vague for the fact that events occur multi-nationally. Remember that this isnt a PR and subjectivity will come into play a lot of the time since this is for fun and not seeding. On top of that people are pretty split on how everything should come together. Personal testimonials and judgements still have limited use for this reason, albeit with caveats. Its easy to get caught up in the idea that these are objective rankings, but its an impossible task.

 

[Mekos]

EXACTLY!! My man Cassio is the one with the real logic.

I understand what Esam is saying but Cassio has summed up my thoughts. That is why I feel you can look at gameplay as well.

Again, that does not mean you don't consider results. I'm saying I don't agree with ONLY looking at results for this thread.


Now if this were ranking for MLG smash...then of course you ONLY look at results! This isn't that official

 

[Cassio]

I wasnt discounting what anyone else said, uniformity and certainty are just a hard thing to come by. Everything deserves to be looked at as well as questioned within practical limits.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I'm Mekos and I just agree with things that support my side.

Yes, Truth, there are events that happen in different regions with similar wins. However, watching matches for "how they play" is also subjective as hell, even moreso than determining the importance of a win or loss. For looking at players, you can look at results from tournaments and respective win/losses. For example, one can tell that a win on Vinnie is of more importance than a win on Falln. If it is even closer than that, such as a win on ESAM as opposed to a win on Vinnie, you can just keep them tied or go to other wins/losses to determine it. You can't objectively say "This person is playing better" since there are a multitude of things that are a part of your overall play. How the **** do you expect to determine who is playing better? By who wins by more? By who shows more dominance throughout the match? By who has better spacing? By who has better combos? What the hell can you do to determine how "well" somebody is playing?

I'll answer it for you: You can't.