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[MooMew64]

It's because the game isnt balanced around it like other games.

Like, and i know this is going to piss off some people, but in Yokai watch all your party members get EXP, but the games bosses are still resonably difficult like older Pokemon games, but in modern Pokemon games you ONLY need one Pokemon and the rest of the team is never needed.

Oh and they forced it on the player, i liked it when it was an optional thing because it let the player play the game how they want.

I mean, I fully understand not like Gen 6's, as TheMightyP said X&Y threw a bunch of OP options at the player and didn't scale the world encounters for them, which means you have to try really hard to keep any challenge in the games. Probably part of why X&Y have aged so poorly with me.

However, I'd argue they've only gotten better since then: BDSP is genuinely a supper huge improvement, and SuMo handled it wonderfully as well. SwSh was a bit of an oopsie but TBF SwSh was (again, IMO) a troubled game and, from my own personal speculation, probably a leftover game from 3DS that was awkwardly sandwiched between Let's Go and PLA dev and planning.

 

[TheMightyP]

TBF I only ended up overleveled here in BDSP because I messed around with side stuff a bunch and kept catching a buncha different 'Mons because the (IMO) stinky Regional Dex was super limiting and I never settled on a team (I'm 7 badges in and still swapping a ton of 'Mons around, lol).

If I stuck with a solid team and only did trainer fights? No joke, BDSP probably would be one of the hardest games. I'm legit super interested in nuzlocking this game.

As someone who stuck with a solid team and only really caught a little bit of mons and did some (not all mind you) trainer battles, yeah it's pretty balanced in that regard. Like my Empoleon was only like 1 or 2 levels higher than Candice's ace, and the rest were either under by like 1 or 2 or at the same level.

In terms of Nuzlocking, the Elite 4 and Cynthia seems to be the absolute bane of nuzlockers so it's gonna be hella interesting to Nuzlocke

 

[ZephyrZ]

Confession: I failed a Pokemon Sword nuzloch.

I got cocky and rushed through it. Thought I could take on Bea without any preperation because my team had a good match up against fighting types. I was wrong.

The gym leaders actually have some nasty tricks up their sleaves, you just never get to see them because oops your slightly overleveled Baboom just one shotted Nessa Drednaw before it could swift swim sweep you.

 

[TheMightyP]

Confession: I failed a Pokemon Sword nuzloch.

I got cocky and rushed through it. Thought I could take on Bea without any preperation because my team had a good match up against fighting types. I was wrong.

The gym leaders actually have some nasty tricks up their sleaves, you just never get to see them because oops your slightly overleveled Baboom just one shotted Nessa Drednaw before it could swift swim sweep you.

They did the same with BDSP with giving Gym Leaders actual strats but you actually get to see them this time around since the game was actually better balanced.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

BDSP made me realize why Gallade was a post game thing in the original games.

He's too broken.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

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she knows her ****

 

[Jondolio]

It's 4 AM, I shouldn't be browsing Smashboards... Well, got nothing better to do since I can't go back to sleep

People who started the series with Gen 6 experiencing a mildly difficult boss fight with Cynthia in BDSP after nearly a decade of easy games be like:

As someone who did in fact start the series with Gen 6 but also gone back to play the older games, they're not that much harder, especially if you grind extensively like I did.

Sure you got some hard fights here and there but it's nothing that can't be handled with some proper leveling up

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

BDSP made me realize why Gallade was a post game thing in the original games.

He's too broken.

Is Gallade even that broken? There are more powerful Pokemon in the Sinnoh region even if you discount the legendaries. E.g. Garchomp pretty much ****s on everything with Steel and Dark type coverage moves post game to hit Fairy types and Bronzong alongside STAB Dragon Claw and Earthquake.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I mean, I fully understand not like Gen 6's, as TheMightyP said X&Y threw a bunch of OP options at the player and didn't scale the world encounters for them, which means you have to try really hard to keep any challenge in the games. Probably part of why X&Y have aged so poorly with me.

Well yeah but remember, they were actually options back then lol You could turn them off if you wanted too. Same with ORAS and SM.

The problem is that in the Switch games they forced it on you and never balanced the game. Which is especially awkward in BDSP because your constantly overleveled.

It's 4 AM, I shouldn't be browsing Smashboards... Well, got nothing better to do since I can't go back to sleep


As someone who did in fact start the series with Gen 6 but also gone back to play the older games, they're not that much harder, especially if you grind extensively like I did.

Sure you got some hard fights here and there but it's nothing that can't be handled with some proper leveling up

Yeah the games were never hard, but they were challenging enough to be fun, which is what i'm trying to explain, i think the most recent stuff is too easy to the point of being boring but in the older games the mild difficulty made the game really fun.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I've never even attempted a Nuzlocke before, though I may attempt one of the original Pearl in honor of BDSP's release.

I'll probably fail miserably lmao

 

[Jondolio]

Yeah the games were never hard, but they were challenging enough to be fun, which is what i'm trying to explain, i think the most recent stuff is too easy to the point of being boring but in the older games the mild difficulty made the game really fun.

Fun is subjective.

I found Sun and Moon to be incredibly fun, at least as a 15 year old since I haven't played them since they came out.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I'll be drawing the subject for this week's AMA

If any of y'all aren't currently on the list of future AMA subjects and would like to be added, please lemme know via reply or PM

Reminder that even if y'all went once or twice before, you're free to go again!

 

[TheMightyP]

Tbh Gen 7 was probably the most challenging of them all.

That said, all Pokemon games are bad except the one I played when I was a kid.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Long Cutscenes bad.

I havent played through the Alola games at all since like 2018 i chose not to do it because of the amount of cutscenes sure the characters are good but dammit guys i just want to play the game.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Gen 4 introduced the Luxray line, so the Gen 4 games are objectively the best.

 

[TheMightyP]

Gen 4 introduced the Luxray line, so the Gen 4 games are objectively the best.

Gen 4 fans be like "Yo this gameplay FIRE!"

Luxray is based tho

 

[MooMew64]

I just realized, this is only gonna escalate the closer PLA gets.

hooray

 

[cashregister9]

I just realized, this is only gonna escalate the closer PLA gets.

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hooray

Look On The Bright Side

This site is not Reddit Or Twitter. So it can always be worse

 

[Jondolio]

I wish I could say I was looking forward to PLA but the only thing I'm currently looking forward to is being happy

 

[Pokelego999]

You guys are all like "I started with Gen 6" and "I started with Gen 4" and then I'm sitting here probably being the only one who started with Gen 3.

 

[MooMew64]

You guys are all like "I started with Gen 6" and "I started with Gen 4" and then I'm sitting here probably being the only one who started with Gen 3.

I started with a spin off, my first Pokémon was Conquest.

 

[Jondolio]

You guys are all like "I started with Gen 6" and "I started with Gen 4" and then I'm sitting here probably being the only one who started with Gen 3.

How

You are younger than me

 

[Zinith]

I could say that I started with Gen 1, but I wasn't really into Pokemon in the first place.

Also, Playstation at the time

 

[Pokelego999]

I started with a spin off, my first Pokémon was Conquest.

How

You are younger than me

I got a DS and some of the older games from my older sibling. Basically, a lot of the games I had for a while didn't date further than 2014.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

now that it’s known how great the Batgirl costume is gonna be, I just hope the movie is good

 

[Noipoi]

Started in gen 5

Unova till the day I D.I.E

East coast *******

Krookodile based

 

[Pokelego999]

I'm pretty sure I was the only Sinnoh player who never used Staraptor or Luxray on their first playthrough

 

[TheMightyP]

Tbh, I feel like the disconnect in the fandom is that people act like you have to either be a fan of the first 4 gens or the last 4 gens and no in between. When in reality the first 4 are ass (not 3 though) and the last 4 had peak Pokemon twice.


Ok but seriously, people act like if you like the last 4 your a little baby who can't tolerate criticism and if you like the first 4 you're a boomer ass nostalgia blind brat. What people fail to consider is that people can like both, people can acknowledge the flaws of both while not being blind to the flaws of the other. The games aren't objectively worse just because someone didn't like them, that's not how objectivity works. For example, I can say that Gen 5-8 are more streamlined to make the games more enjoyable with removals of HMs and loads of QOL improvements that overall make the games more enjoyable to most players. That is objective. To say that Gen 5 was the last good one and everything after is trash is subjective. Someone can say that Gen 1 was better, or that Gen 6 was better, or that all the Gens were better.


Unfortunately, Pokemon fans don't know subjectivity and treat as if their opinion is definitive fact. Yes, I am hella guilty of this too, being a Gen 5 stan and all.

Maybe, maybe...

We just like Pokemon?

 

[Noipoi]

Maybe, maybe...

We just like Pokemon?

Bull****

 

[Pokelego999]

Tbh, I feel like the disconnect in the fandom is that people act like you have to either be a fan of the first 4 gens or the last 4 gens and no in between. When in reality the first 4 are ass (not 3 though) and the last 4 had peak Pokemon twice.


Ok but seriously, people act like if you like the last 4 your a little baby who can't tolerate criticism and if you like the first 4 you're a boomer ass nostalgia blind brat. What people fail to consider is that people can like both, people can acknowledge the flaws of both while not being blind to the flaws of the other. The games aren't objectively worse just because someone didn't like them, that's not how objectivity works. For example, I can say that Gen 5-8 are more streamlined to make the games more enjoyable with removals of HMs and loads of QOL improvements that overall make the games more enjoyable to most players. That is objective. To say that Gen 5 was the last good one and everything after is trash is subjective. Someone can say that Gen 1 was better, or that Gen 6 was better, or that all the Gens were better.


Unfortunately, Pokemon fans don't know subjectivity and treat as if their opinion is definitive fact. Yes, I am hella guilty of this too, being a Gen 5 stan and all.

Maybe, maybe...

We just like Pokemon?

People have opinions? Inconceivable.

 

[Jondolio]

Krookodile based

Maybe your taste in Pokémon ain't so terrible after all

We just like Pokemon?

Impossible, does not compute

 

[TheMightyP]

My bad y'all, I mean all Pokemon games are bad except the one I started with.

And the 2nd one. Which was Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time.

 

[Pokelego999]

I loved Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team until I got to the Sky Tower Summit

**** Aerodactyl

 

[Jondolio]

I'm not willing to play any Pokémon game from before Gen 4, I can't go back to not having the physical/special split.

 

[Pokelego999]

I'm not willing to play any Pokémon game from before Gen 4, I can't go back to not having the physical/special split.

I didn't even know the physical/special split took till Gen 4, so I ended up accidentally running Physical Beautifly among other things for a while.

 

[TheMightyP]

I'm not willing to play any Pokémon game from before Gen 4, I can't go back to not having the physical/special split.

Imo Gen 3 is still a good time but 1 and 2 yeah no.

I'll only play 4 because of Plat, OG D&P are bottom 3 imo and lol if you want me to play Gen 2 on Gen 4's engine.

 

[Jondolio]

Imo Gen 3 is still a good time but 1 and 2 yeah no.

I'll only play 4 because of Plat, OG D&P are bottom 3 imo and lol if you want me to play Gen 2 on Gen 4's engine.

HGSS are pretty based imo

Gen 3 is still easier to go back to than 1 and 2 I agree, but if I wanted to play Hoenn I'd probably stick with ORAS.

 

[MooMew64]

Tbh, I feel like the disconnect in the fandom is that people act like you have to either be a fan of the first 4 gens or the last 4 gens and no in between. When in reality the first 4 are ass (not 3 though) and the last 4 had peak Pokemon twice.


Ok but seriously, people act like if you like the last 4 your a little baby who can't tolerate criticism and if you like the first 4 you're a boomer ass nostalgia blind brat. What people fail to consider is that people can like both, people can acknowledge the flaws of both while not being blind to the flaws of the other. The games aren't objectively worse just because someone didn't like them, that's not how objectivity works. For example, I can say that Gen 5-8 are more streamlined to make the games more enjoyable with removals of HMs and loads of QOL improvements that overall make the games more enjoyable to most players. That is objective. To say that Gen 5 was the last good one and everything after is trash is subjective. Someone can say that Gen 1 was better, or that Gen 6 was better, or that all the Gens were better.


Unfortunately, Pokemon fans don't know subjectivity and treat as if their opinion is definitive fact. Yes, I am hella guilty of this too, being a Gen 5 stan and all.

Maybe, maybe...

We just like Pokemon?

Trash take, the truth is everyone’s opinion (except mine, I am based) sucks and only my favorite games are good.
Cope.

 

[Pokelego999]

Honestly if any Gens needed the EXP Share, it's the first four. The EXP curve is ****ing jank for the following reasons
Kanto: The mons all have crappy EXP yields
Johto: What the **** is this level curve
Hoenn: A random level spike at Tate and Liza and another at the league
Sinnoh: All around, you tend to be underleveled for a mix of the previous reasons. Also the league.
Unova is serviceable, and lmao the only game that really sucked with the EXP Share was Kalos because it looks like it was made for the old EXP system instead of the new one, leading to serious overleveling. Alola worked beautifully with it, and I dunno on Galar cause I never played it.

 

[TheMightyP]

Honestly if any Gens needed the EXP Share, it's the first four. The EXP curve is ****ing jank for the following reasons
Kanto: The mons all have crappy EXP yields
Johto: What the **** is this level curve
Hoenn: A random level spike at Tate and Liza and another at the league
Sinnoh: All around, you tend to be underleveled for a mix of the previous reasons. Also the league.
Unova is serviceable, and lmao the only game that really sucked with the EXP Share was Kalos because it looks like it was made for the old EXP system instead of the new one, leading to serious overleveling. Alola worked beautifully with it, and I dunno on Galar cause I never played it.

Tbh Johto needed so much work besides the wack ass level curve. Like tf was the dex, couldn't even find like 99% of the Johto mons until Kanto and


Yeah I don't like Gen 2 at all. Literally the only Pokemon game I don't ever want to touch.