The ROB Matchup Thread

[Silhouette]

Its mainly useful against Ice Climbers, and it will probably make the DDD MU easier for us too.

That is if you can master it.

 

[Mister Eric]

=O
guys
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11906469#post11906469
warning:
this could get a robot hard!

 

[Heartstring]

=O
guys
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11906469#post11906469
warning:
this could get a robot hard!

...
ive been doing an advanced tech for ages and i never knew it XD
interesting to know the inputs though

 

[Mister Eric]

...
ive been doing an advanced tech for ages and i never knew it XD
interesting to know the inputs though

you've been jabbing/grabbing/etc MK out of his nado?

 

[Heartstring]

you've been jabbing/grabbing/etc MK out of his nado?

well...yeah, i tended to do it with dtilt if they were still on the floor.

hory shet, i can do AT's! new news gaiz!

 

[stingers]

golden psycho for best rob

 

[-LzR-]

Its mainly useful against Ice Climbers, and it will probably make the DDD MU easier for us too.

That is if you can master it.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong...

You can't mash outta those.

 

[TeeVee]

uh...you can deff mash out of ics at like 0 - 20 even with out the new discovery if you are mashing right

 

[-LzR-]

Yeah if Nana is having a vacation. Ever heard of this thing called buffering? When it's used, there are like zero frames to mash out so this is ineffective.

 

[Heartstring]

Yeah if Nana is having a vacation. Ever heard of this thing called buffering? When it's used, there are like zero frames to mash out so this is ineffective.

please fins someone who does it this fast and efficiently

 

[sneakytako]

Yeah if Nana is having a vacation. Ever heard of this thing called buffering? When it's used, there are like zero frames to mash out so this is ineffective.

Most of the time when IC's get an early grab, there's a 'oh **** i got a grab' moment. If you can capitalize on this moment this tech is godlike. You can only buffer if you sure your going to get the grab, then it's 100% your fault for being dumb.

 

[-LzR-]

So you are assuming the IC player can't CG? That is a pretty crappy reason for anything. It's kinda like saying IC sucks as they eventually drop a grab anyways.

 

[Heartstring]

So you are assuming the IC player can't CG? That is a pretty crappy reason for anything. It's kinda like saying IC sucks as they eventually drop a grab anyways.

nono i mean find someoe who can keep bot climbers in the right position while performing it as fast as you say, its hard enough to do as it is. ler alone extremely fast
if you can mash with this technique, ice climbers becomes a good matchup for you

 

[-LzR-]

That is why the grab isn't broken, because it's hard to get. And anyone can mashout if Nana isn't around, but she should be with good IC players like Hylian.

 

[Heartstring]

That is why the grab isn't broken, because it's hard to get. And anyone can mashout if Nana isn't around, but she should be with good IC players like Hylian.

im not getting across what im trying to say so im goingto stop botering

 

[sneakytako]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LsMKpnVWMM

Watch around 0:44. Even though hylain knows hes going to get the grab, he still needs about .75 sec to prepare for the CG. You need a moment not only to space nana, but also to prepare yourself for the metronome timing. Almost every IC's does this. Pay more attention.

 

[-LzR-]

They can pummel, forcing you to pummel break, both get 30 frames of lag except Nana so she can grab out of the release. In theory.

HYLIAN NAMESEARCH

 

[TeeVee]

i ****ing love theory crafters, makes my day

 

[Hylian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LsMKpnVWMM

Watch around 0:44. Even though hylain knows hes going to get the grab, he still needs about .75 sec to prepare for the CG. You need a moment not only to space nana, but also to prepare yourself for the metronome timing. Almost every IC's does this. Pay more attention.

Are you really quoting a video of me playing in 2008 and using that as evidence? We didn't even know how to CG properly back then lol.

Sopo can dthrow cg every character in the game and this eliminates the need to wait for nana to get into position as you can transition out of the sopo dthrow into nana grabbing.

 

[sneakytako]

The first thing that came up when I searched hylian ic ssbb on youtube. But fine I'll give a more recent example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbCZGXV_Oj8 3:27 You get a grab that was setup and pretty much seen way in advance. There's still about .75 second startup time for you to get the CG going. In the TL shoes he could have used the crazy Kprime tech and possibly escaped the grab with preemptive mashing.

EDIT: I'm not saying your trash or anything hylian, I'm also not saying that this tech is godlike. But it seems effective (how effective remains to be seen) and is definitely worth investigating imo.

 

[Hylian]

The first thing that came up when I searched hylian ic ssbb on youtube. But fine I'll give a more recent example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbCZGXV_Oj8 3:27 You get a grab that was setup and pretty much seen way in advance. There's still about .75 second startup time for you to get the CG going. In the TL shoes he could have used the crazy Kprime tech and possibly escaped the grab with preemptive mashing.

EDIT: I'm not saying your trash or anything hylian, I'm also not saying that this tech is godlike. But it seems effective (how effective remains to be seen) and is definitely worth investigating imo.

I only just bthrew because of his % and because I knew he wasn't mashing fast enough. Normally I would dthrow first. Grabs at the edge at under 50% people can mash out with the new tech yeah but anywhere else on the stage it's not as effective. There are also ways around it like dthrow to bthrow pivot grab but most IC's cant cg well enough to do things like that. It's an effective technique and there is no reason not to use it, but I'm just saying don't always expect to be able to escape, it's very situational and player dependent.

 

[ccst]

I didn't even know that R.O.B. could grab Meta Knight's Tornado just like that! =O

 

[-LzR-]

You mean pivotgrab? Can't almost everyone do it?

 

[Zwarm]

No, ROB can standing grab the tornado.

 

[-LzR-]

Why can't Dedede then?

 

[Zwarm]

You're asking the wrong person.

 

[ccst]

You can't hurt R.O.B.'s arms I think (or at least when R.O.B.'s not attacking).

 

[Heartstring]

Why can't Dedede then?

because no-one likes dedede and decided he shouldnt have another grabby advantage over the chaingrab

 

[-LzR-]

Does that thing abuse grab armor? As I don't see a logical reason for it to beat it. Anyone who can explain?

 

[Mister Eric]

Been working on the PSC some. And I almost swear that I have been grabbing without even perfect shielding...
hmmm

so far, it's been pretty difficult for me to pull off. im definitely not ready to unleash it in tournaments. and until i move back into my dorm, i will not be able to practice it frequently with others (until next week)

still looks hopeful!

 

[Heartstring]

Been working on the PSC some. And I almost swear that I have been grabbing without even perfect shielding...
hmmm

so far, it's been pretty difficult for me to pull off. im definitely not ready to unleash it in tournaments. and until i move back into my dorm, i will not be able to practice it frequently with others (until next week)

still looks hopeful!

is it realyl hard to pull off? it looks fairly easy to do. but i can be mistaken...a lot XD

 

[-LzR-]

I haven't even tried it yet, but MK has good enough OoS options already to beat pretty much everything on a PS anyways.

 

[Silhouette]

LzR Im guessing you dont know how it works, its a way to parry tornado. (Other things too, but mainly nado)

 

[Mister Eric]

I added GIMR to AIM to ask him more questions about it, but I never see him log on. And i usually get ignored in the thread. Anyone know much about it, or have put it to practice?

Btw, I'm about to make a ROB Tourney Discussion Thread

 

[Heartstring]

I added GIMR to AIM to ask him more questions about it, but I never see him log on. And i usually get ignored in the thread. Anyone know much about it, or have put it to practice?

Btw, I'm about to make a ROB Tourney Discussion Thread

not really much idea, i watched the video once, but sadly im no good at controlling meta knight with my feet, so i cant really test it untill i see someone else who plays smash, which will be for a few months yet

 

[CJTHeroofTime]

Been working on the PSC some. And I almost swear that I have been grabbing without even perfect shielding...
hmmm

If you watch the video, they mention that when done perfectly, some chars (they mention falco and ROB) seem to grab without the shield coming up. So yeah, you're doing it right.

@LzR

I feel like I understand whats going on fairly enough.

I'm no expert on powershield mechanics, but I'm under the impression that when you powershield, you have a few frames of invincibility. Normally when you powersheild, the following frames are the shield drop animation. As it turns out, during any frame of shield drop, you can input an attack (IASA frames I believe?) The PSC simply buffers in an input so you perform the input on the first frame of the shield drop, thus preventing the shield drop animation to ever occur. This is important because usually after a powershield, you have a bit of mental lag (aka the time it takes to realize you have powershielded and react) during which the shield drop animation occurs, and this uses up some of the invincibility frames that come with the powershield. Against a normal attack, you usually have less lag than your opponent so you are able to counter attack on reaction. But against broken *** moves like the tornado, the multiple hitboxes hit you as soon as your invincibility frames end, which does not give you enough time for all the startup frames on your attack, preventing counterattacks on reaction. By PSCing, you start your attack on the first possible frame, taking advantage of all the invincibility frames. In the video, they said grabs of 6 frames or less can grab MK right out of the tornado, so I assume that the PSC gives you 6 frames of invincibilty to work with. I could be wrong, but I guess that would explain why you can jab and such out of the PSC.

That's how I understand it anyway.

Also, I do believe this is effective against DK's up-b as well, I successfully PSC>jab in training mode at 1/4 speed. I need humans to practice real speed though :/

 

[Heartstring]

its suppose to work on most multi-hit moves, although the nado is the most notable one, i can imagine other moves that this would be most useful against would be marths side-b, snake's f-tilt, possibly wario's d-air, ice climbers blizzard/squal hammer. all of those annoying multi hits moves characters have. last night (on wifi albiet) i succesfully PSC'd against dancing blade and with ike, thats practically a free 16% from a jab combo, good stuff

 

[ccst]

You can also grab Wario when he tries to bite you. Just wanted everyone to know that.

 

[-LzR-]

You can just charge and Fsmash against Wario's bite, seems more practical.

 

[GwJ]

Oh mah lordy, i feel like i missed so much whilr i was gone. What is this tech y'all are talking about?