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[FullMoon]

If there's a Greninja better than aMSa then my god.

 

[Deleted member]

I was thinking aMSa as well. Looking forward to seeing how much his Greninja has progressed at Evo since Apex, hoping he places well again there too.

 

[Kite0692]

I was thinking aMSa as well. Looking forward to seeing how much his Greninja has progressed at Evo since Apex, hoping he places well again there too.

Don't think that happens. IMO he placed that well because nobody knew the matchup. Since he placed so high, maybe more people will pick up the frog, and maybe people will learn way better the matchup. I mean, there's a reason why you just don't see a lot of his videos in channels. Its possible he lives way to far from those tourneys, but its also posible he doesn't place high in Japan, which is, IMO, what really happens. He still the best 'ninja out there without a doubt.

 

[Mocha]

So aMSa's secret to getting the timing/spacing of his forward airs is to practice on a crouched Kirby in training mode. No wonder he's so good with it lol

 

[FullMoon]

So aMSa's secret to getting the timing/spacing of his forward airs is to practice on a crouched Kirby in training mode. No wonder he's so good with it lol

Geez. I can barely land those on a standing Pikachu.

 

[Talazala]

So aMSa's secret to getting the timing/spacing of his forward airs is to practice on a crouched Kirby in training mode. No wonder he's so good with it lol

Now that is intense. I gotta try this haha. That's going to be a Friday afternoon and a half.

 

[Marilink]

That's an excellent training strategy.

 

[Gunla]

That's an excellent training strategy.

In the future, please edit your post instead of a double post.

Unrelated, but I practice fairs on Olimar, but I guess Kirby can be another interesting choice.

 

[Marilink]

Oh, sorry. I thought the posts would merge.

 

[AkashicSword]

If there's a Greninja better than aMSa then my god.

He thinks he isn't the best too. Which is humble of him.

ALSO. I'M HOME.

 

[FullMoon]

ALSO. I'M HOME.

Hooray!

 

[AkashicSword]

That was the best gif. And explains my feelings perfectly.

Also, realized I placed Top 49 at Apex, I'm mad hype about that.

 

[Marilink]

Woo! Glad you're back safe! And congrats on your placement, that is excellent.

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

He thinks he isn't the best too. Which is humble of him.

ALSO. I'M HOME.

That's great to hear!

Also, awesome job on your placing as well.

 

[Kace Mono]

would it be possible to train it on a crouching jiggs? is there enough of a hitbox for that or would jiggs be too short?

 

[Mocha]

I think if you can hit a crouching Kirby, it would work on Jiggs too, no? Also, I don't know how aMSa had the cpu set to crouch, so I had to manually wrap my wii u pad cord around the analog stick and aim it down so the cpu would stay crouched.

 

[Ekans647]

Wow. I havent seen any aMSa play. Do you guys have any links to his matches? That would be most helpful.

 

[Mocha]

Wow. I havent seen any aMSa play. Do you guys have any links to his matches? That would be most helpful.

In our video thread, I organized the videos by player. There you will alphabetically find aMSa as the first one on the list. Enjoy :]

 

[Deleted member]

Wow. I havent seen any aMSa play. Do you guys have any links to his matches? That would be most helpful.

It's been about two weeks since Apex, and I'm still amazed at how well he moves... lol.


Edit: >tfw greninja'd

 

[Jaguar360]

D-taunt is probably the most viable attacking taunt in the game. As I've posted in the true combos thread, it can combo out of U-tilt into U-tilt to U-smash or Dash Attack to F-air depending on the percent. That push-up effect is great! I've tested on Meta Knight and Pikachu so far and the combos work on both, but at different percents.

The taunt itself is awesome too. So much sass.

 

[Mocha]

D-taunt is probably the most viable attacking taunt in the game. As I've posted in the true combos thread, it can combo out of U-tilt into U-tilt to U-smash or Dash Attack to F-air depending on the percent. That push-up effect is great! I've tested on Meta Knight and Pikachu so far and the combos work on both, but at different percents.

The taunt itself is awesome too. So much sass.

Such sass that can only be inspired by certain sisters, no doubt

And yeah, I actually tried to substitute on a Greninja taunt but it doesn't work on the ground, and you can even crouch under it lol. If only his taunt was faster. OUT OF SHIELD TAUNT LETS GO.

 

[joaoTforce]

well here's a fun fact: on FD, greninja's down taunt can kill a pikachu if they're both at 370%. but it will only kill if pikachu grabs the ledge, jumps and while he's doing that, greninja needs to use the d-taunt.

 

[Mocha]

Happy earlyish Valentine's Day, froggies

 

[FullMoon]

I just got thrashed by a Ganondorf in Anther's Ladder and geez, today I learned Ganondorf's Up-Smash has almost no ending lag.

 

[joaoTforce]

so uh... shifting shuriken (custom neutral 3) is kind of amazing. you can combo so much. fully charged shuriken(fcs) pulls enemies toward you and non-charged shuriken(ncs) launches them straight up.

I have been able to combo ncs into an aerial. but the timing is really tight. Also, it won't work if you shoot too close to the opponent, because of the endlag.

with fcs, at low percent you can do fcs>dash attack or fcs> dash grab, if you're far away from the opponent.you can also combo fcs into a jab too, depending on how far away you are.

And now the best one I found IMO, is fcs>upsmash. I tested this against a diddy controlled by my friend, and this combo works at around 100% (mid range), so that up smash will most likely kill. However, if the percentage is too high, this won't work, because they will be lauched way too high and the up smash will not hit.


I could be wrong on this, but in training mode, the game counted those as true combos. And my friend said he couldn't do anything to escape, but he could also be wrong, I don't know if he DI'd properly or not.

So for now, this is useless.But when custom moves are allowed (and I know they will) this should be interesting.

 

[FullMoon]

That is somewhat old now. Shifting Shuriken has it's own section in the True Combos thread and all. But yeah, that's the one custom that's going to make Greninja's life a lot easier when it comes down to dealing with some MUs (mainly Rosalina and Sonic because dat transcedent priority).

 

[joaoTforce]

That is somewhat old now. Shifting Shuriken has it's own section in the True Combos thread and all. But yeah, that's the one custom that's going to make Greninja's life a lot easier when it comes down to dealing with some MUs (mainly Rosalina and Sonic because dat transcedent priority).

oh really? I didn't know that because it wasn't on the list, I only found combos with normal WS. well sorry for the unnecessary post, but still, I feel like custom moves are not being discussed enough here, like, at all. I found those posts and they were from november. It's been a while.

 

[Talazala]

I'm back from a weekly tournament at CMU. Surprisingly no Diddy players, but a few Sheiks. My oh my I do not like playing against Sheik.

 

[Mocha]

So erm... *nervous look* this is my Greninja. I suck, soooo... critique would be appreciated

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

Okay, story time! I know that some people here know that I sometimes participate in Smash Bros. Wii U tournaments, and, I think two weeks ago(?), I lost in a hilarious manner whilst on stream.

So, I made this.

It isn't exactly new gameplay or anything, so I don't think it should be put into the video thread.

Fun Fact: I had to reupload this THREE TIMES because of copyright. Bluuuh. Excuse how the pitch is off.

 

[FullMoon]

Does Mario's cape actually reverse the direction you have to input for the second pump? I mean, I know it turns you around, but that shouldn't result in reversing your control.

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

Does Mario's cape actually reverse the direction you have to input for the second pump? I mean, I know it turns you around, but that shouldn't result in reversing your control.

Hmm, I don't think so?

I certainly wasn't expecting that to happen though. .-.

 

[Funkermonster]

Haven't played much of lately, been having too much fun with my pocket characters and spending little practice with him. A couple of peeps in my scene were impressed with my ninjitsu when I show at tournaments and a few even say I could end up the best Greninja in AZ. I should be perfecting my ninja training and trying to live up to title, but because I can't quit character jumping I feel I'm starting to handicap myself. Not just as a Greninja, but as a player in general. I don't even know who I want as my secondary anymore.... I love the Blue Blur but I'm starting to like the Blue Bomber just as much.

What am I doing?

 

[Kace Mono]

Haven't played much of lately, been having too much fun with my pocket characters and spending little practice with him. A couple of peeps in my scene were impressed with my ninjitsu when I show at tournaments and a few even say I could end up the best Greninja in AZ. I should be perfecting my ninja training and trying to live up to title, but because I can't quit character jumping I feel I'm starting to handicap myself. Not just as a Greninja, but as a player in general. I don't even know who I want as my secondary anymore.... I love the Blue Blur but I'm starting to like the Blue Bomber just as much.

What am I doing?

I have the opposite, i don't seem to be able to move away from my bouncing blue frog. im trying to second luigi to help with matchups but i always play Greninja when it comes to it because i never feel like my luigi will be good enough. i get alot of support at my tournaments too but its more because i punish my opponents with my DTaunt... but i cant really help, i feel im too inexperienced to really give good advice to someone in need of it.

 

[Sidhe Sí]

Hey guys, I'm kinda new to competitive Smash, so I was wondering if a hyper offensive playstyle works better for a Greninja, or just simply camping with Shurikans and grabbing a lot *~*

 

[Lavani]

Apparently I stopped getting alerts for this thread, thanks Obama

Does Mario's cape actually reverse the direction you have to input for the second pump? I mean, I know it turns you around, but that shouldn't result in reversing your control.

If I'm not mistaken it does reverse inputs for a short window after it spins you, but don't quote me on that.

I have the opposite, i don't seem to be able to move away from my bouncing blue frog. im trying to second luigi to help with matchups but i always play Greninja when it comes to it because i never feel like my luigi will be good enough.

Same boat, though Rosalina's decidedly my better fit. If I don't immediately click with a character I either can't learn them at all, or they just end up being significantly worse than my mains; see Meta Knight, who I've been trying to get good at off and on since release but still can't do anything consistent with, and Luigi/Jiggs who I just flat out suck with in this game despite playing them in the first three Smash games.

I guess I don't have to worry about any crises where I can't decide on a main at least, but I'd enjoy having some secondary options...

Hey guys, I'm kinda new to competitive Smash, so I was wondering if a hyper offensive playstyle works better for a Greninja, or just simply camping with Shurikans and grabbing a lot *~*

Shurikens are fairly laggy, so they aren't the best projectile to try and camp with; Greninja lacks safe approach options, so being overly aggressive is asking to be punished too. Greninja's all about opening up your opponent and making them do things you can punish, then punishing them hard. Mainly, you need to be unpredictable; occasional shurikens are good for damage, spamming shurikens is asking to be punished. Occasional dash attacks/grabs can be a good and rewarding surprise, doing it predictably is going to get you bodied. etc

 

[Sidhe Sí]

Shurikens are fairly laggy, so they aren't the best projectile to try and camp with; Greninja lacks safe approach options, so being overly aggressive is asking to be punished too. Greninja's all about opening up your opponent and making them do things you can punish, then punishing them hard. Mainly, you need to be unpredictable; occasional shurikens are good for damage, spamming shurikens is asking to be punished. Occasional dash attacks/grabs can be a good and rewarding surprise, doing it predictably is going to get you bodied. etc

Oooh, I see. So it's like being able to throw the opponent off by constantly switching up how you play. Really fits him being a sneaky ninja or whatever xD Thanks!

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

Haven't played much of lately, been having too much fun with my pocket characters and spending little practice with him. A couple of peeps in my scene were impressed with my ninjitsu when I show at tournaments and a few even say I could end up the best Greninja in AZ. I should be perfecting my ninja training and trying to live up to title, but because I can't quit character jumping I feel I'm starting to handicap myself. Not just as a Greninja, but as a player in general. I don't even know who I want as my secondary anymore.... I love the Blue Blur but I'm starting to like the Blue Bomber just as much.

What am I doing?

Aah, yeah. I've been having the same problem. I've been playing a bit of and .

Though, neither of those above I feel are tournament ready.So, yeah. Kinda damaging myself as well. :x

 

[Lavani]

I've been messing around with customs in training the last couple of days myself. I can't play Ike at all, but man his customs are cool.

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

I've been messing around with customs in training the last couple of days myself. I can't play Ike at all, but man his customs are cool.

@NonSpecificGuy Is probably happy to hear that we're all playing Ike in some capacity. xD