The PokéLab: Pikachu Research Thread (QA frame data added: 1/26/11)

[KayLo!]

A handful of throws have set knockback too.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Right...D3 D-throw for one.

 

[MXXD123]

I seem to have discovered something odd, when quick attack canceling at the edge, if you press down half way through your quick attack cancel, it will cancel all lag, even after grabbing the edge, to too sure as too why, but there is no phantom lag, weird huh. I'll put a video up later.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

What do you mean "at the edge"?

 

[MXXD123]

What do you mean "at the edge"?

When you qac to the edge, and your able to jump or either grab the ledge istantly, with phantom lag, but in this case that's not so

 

[Roller]

Didn't Prime do a vid on this? Where he was doin' stuff like insta-grabbing people after qacing to the edge?

 

[Pikabunz]

Sounds like "perfect ledge canceling."

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=286747

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Prime and I are currently testing uair footstool from a D-throw (CG works). We confirmed on MK, but we are trying to make a longer list of characters.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

Really? I remember trying that a while ago, and I couldn't get it to work. What % is it at?

 

[Pikabunz]

We can dthrow > nair on a lot of characters now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3gT7Hlw6TI

Just dthrow then buffer a dash and full hop nair. Works on everyone except Lucario, Jigglypuff, Peach, Zelda, and Samus. I will try to get percents later.

 

[Nike.]

I'm pretty sure that if every character board had a K Prime, the entire metagame would be different. It is unreal how much much you've discovered since brawl's release.

 

[Pikabunz]

You're too kind. :embarrass

 

[KayLo!]

All of this stuff should be going in the OP. A lot's been discovered (this, QAL > nair, the CG > footstool stuff), but it'll be hard to find the info in the future since it's scattered around.

 

[Zodiark]

I'm pretty sure that if every character board had a K Prime, the entire metagame would be different. It is unreal how much much you've discovered since brawl's release.

Agree , Kprime is too good

 

[Roller]

All of this stuff should be going in the OP. A lot's been discovered (this, QAL > nair, the CG > footstool stuff), but it'll be hard to find the info in the future since it's scattered around.

This. Do it. Very important. And they're right Prime, you are awesome with all these findings.

 

[KayLo!]

I meant QAC > nair btw.... typo. ><

Anyways, Prime, if you need help organizing the OP, lemme know.

 

[KayLo!]

Prime handed this over to me, and I've given the OP a very big face lift.... you guys should check it out.

All of the currently recorded frame data for Pika's moveset has been added, and the rest will be updated eventually. In the meantime, I've placed links with relevant data in the appropriate sections, although it's not even close to everything that'll be included in the finished product. (Everything that was in the old OP is still there.)

If there's anything any of y'all want tested from now on, post it here and I'll add it to the list in the OP..... someone (probably me or Prime) will get to it eventually.

Hope you like. =X

 

[Pikabunz]

Excellent job, KayLo!
ika:

 

[Wiscus]

The op is so nice!
This is great KayLo!

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Yeah, it looks fantastic Kaylo! Good ish!

BTW, the D_throw buffer uair should just be DBU instead of DBFU. Just sayin.

 

[KayLo!]

Thanks guys. <3

@ESAM: Listen buddy, you're not gonna hate on my acronyms. >=( The F is from BuFfer. It makes sense.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Do Falco's call Buffer DACUS BFDACUS?
No...they call it BDACUS.
Get out-logic'ed

Either way, its MY idea, so I get to name it WHATEVER I WANT!

I demandeth thy newest technique to be called: Fleedle Deedle

 

[Tagxy]

^ Ill get larry to start calling ot BFDACUS

Very cool. btw I would also mention scissors sir too, he was a big (maybe only) researcher on pikachus early metagame and found a lot of the basic stuff we use today (QAL, pikaslide, QAJC, jablock?) plus that items tech thread.

 

[Ussi]

ESAM is gonna fleede deedle his win at dallas

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

ESAM is gonna fleede deedle his win at dallas

That's precisely why I want it named Fleedle Deedle, or FD for short.

 

[KayLo!]

Do Falco's call Buffer DACUS BFDACUS?
No...they call it BDACUS.
Get out-logic'ed

Either way, its MY idea, so I get to name it WHATEVER I WANT!

I demandeth thy newest technique to be called: Fleedle Deedle

But it's just an acronym to search for the section in the OP..... not what we should call it in general. ;;

Unless you wanna start calling ground moves GRNDs. I'd be down for that. =X

btw I would also mention scissors sir too, he was a big (maybe only) researcher on pikachus early metagame and found a lot of the basic stuff we use today (QAL, pikaslide, QAJC, jablock?) plus that items tech thread.

K, I'll add him too.

EDIT: Added Ron to the credits and a note in the table of contents for people who're a little slow.....

Spoiler

<3 ESAM

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

The thing is
DBFU doesn't roll off the tongue. Fleedle Deedle does and they are the same amount of syllables (4), both less than D-throw buffer Uair (6). Ground = 1 syllable, GRNDs = 4 syllables.

 

[KayLo!]

You're not saying it right. Gotta let it flow, can't hesitate or be scared.

It's all right.... next time I see you, I'll teach you the right way.

 

[global-wolf]

I think it should be mentioned somewhere that holding Up+B for a shorter amount of time will decrease QA's distance (maybe it is but I can't find it :x)

Also there is a way to reverse an aerial thunder that has momentum and jump backwards at the same time, you input thunder then directly move (not rotate) the control stick to the opposite upper diagonal of the direction you faced originally. The timing and angle is very strict. (Probably only works with tap jump.) I'm not sure if this is in a guide already, if it is then I apologize for wasting time.

I probably posted this in the wrong thread earlier, I'd still like to know if this is written down somewhere already or not. Thanks.

 

[Ussi]

so like... you are going one direction...

You thunder...

and you go in the direction you were not going while doing thunder?

..

That's a normal B reversal thunder no?.. all you do is Jump b-reversal thunder and you basically jump in the direction you were not going in (I usually do this when jumping off stage so i land back on stage) much more safer than just jumping and thundering.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

lol u guys. You should know better. The Smash Lab names EVERYTHING. Mwahahahahaa

 

[Ussi]

DBFU can always be

"**** *****/******* **** yooooooooooooou"

 

[KayLo!]

You guys are silly lol.

 

[King~]

im in agreement with fleedle deedle, its sounds ridiculous when you say

i got him in a fleedle deedle, that clutch fleedle deedle won esam that set

fleedle deedle

 

[Zodiark]

What Fleedle Deedle does mean? xD

Great update Kaylo!

 

[Syko_Lemming]

You're not saying it right. Gotta let it flow, can't hesitate or be scared.

It's all right.... next time I see you, I'll teach you the right way.

Pronounced "Gurnds", right?

 

[global-wolf]

so like... you are going one direction...

You thunder...

and you go in the direction you were not going while doing thunder?

..

That's a normal B reversal thunder no?.. all you do is Jump b-reversal thunder and you basically jump in the direction you were not going in (I usually do this when jumping off stage so i land back on stage) much more safer than just jumping and thundering.

Yeah, that's it. I thought I read about it somewhere but couldn't find it again.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I was just mashing vs Snipa (IC) out of a grab and saying gibberish, then at one point either Snipa or I said fleedle deedle and now we say it in SFL. We then realized it was a thing in Chowder...but we didn't know that.

 

[PZ]

I was just mashing vs Snipa (IC) out of a grab and saying gibberish, then at one point either Snipa or I said fleedle deedle and now we say it in SFL. We then realized it was a thing in Chowder...but we didn't know that.

is amazed....

 

[KayLo!]

Pronounced "Gurnds", right?

I knew this kid was a smart one the moment I laid eyes on him......

I was just mashing vs Snipa (IC) out of a grab and saying gibberish, then at one point either Snipa or I said fleedle deedle and now we say it in SFL. We then realized it was a thing in Chowder...but we didn't know that.

New AT imo.

Yeah, that's it. I thought I read about it somewhere but couldn't find it again.

I can add Turnaround B/B Reversal/Wavebounce stuff if people think it's that important, but since they're universal techs and not specific to Pikachu, I wasn't going to explain them in the OP.

Maybe I'll add a section called "Universal Techs Useful for Pikachu" or something.... hmmm....