Social The Pichu Social & General Discussion Thread

[KirbyKaze]

You're allowed to disagree with it. I will just consider you 100% incorrect and misinformed. I don't really consider much of what anyone's mentioned regarding Pichu's "technical" game having much usefulness in his actual gameplay. Having talked to unknown about it numerous times, he's told me he just doesn't see the point in some (read: almost all) of this stuff. I'm all for innovation, but I think some of this stuff doesn't help correct any of Pichu's actual weaknesses.

 

[soju]

:[ sojo. . .

and i believe 1% multiple times makes a big difference when your a character that gets to kill range at 50-60%, 40% on smaller stages. Thats why i never fully supported any pichu up-b techniques.

And if your not good at smash? I'm pretty sure I've never seen a beginner pick up and stay with pichu until they got good with him, T0MMY maybe? The best Pichu I've seen is KDJs and he is a sheik player :B

 

[KingClubber]

@Kaze

Harsh, but that's just his opinion on the matter, seeing as there is no True Pichu main, here to stat fact from fiction.
I could care less, whether you think i'm wrong or not. Pichu only has two true weaknesses his weight, and reach.
The Recoil from his own attacks wouldn't be much to worry about if it weren't for those two weaknesses.

@Sojo

That's fine, and i never seen him play pichu so i wouldn't know.

 

[Van.]

kk what do you think makes sheik harder to master than pichu?

...I mean Marth I get, because of the cg

but with both pichu and sheik, the only technichals I see are Wding, SHFFLing, and JC grabbing.

Well I guess you also have to boost grab with sheik, be able to shino stall for 8 minutes, which could be kinda hard. Her dd is harder to do? but i don't think these things really represent a serious difference in how difficult it is to master the character. Pichus up-b is harder to sweetspot with.

What am I missing?

unless you're including crazy stuff like run off reverse needle cancel edgehog

 

[soju]

<<<<<<<<<<
. . . its soju . . .
and you should see some of his pichu matches, KDJ personally is just amazing to watch with any character he picks

And this is probably going to be my last contribution to the Pichu boards for a long time since I need to focus on my own character.

I'll just put this out there, I see in no way that Pichu's moveset is a technical moveset, you don't need quick hands or precise button execution to play her right as you would fox. She is a combo oriented character that needs to pretty much stay back until the right moment, trying to play Pichu I believe in a technical fashion pretty much deviates from her true playstyle. A Pichu player, to win match-ups needs to be great at both reading and punishing, true you can add some fancy stuff in, but it's all situational.
Pichu is considered the worst character in our metagame for a reason, and that should be reason enough to not play her as the metagame intended, which is basically rushdown and overwhelm nowadays, which exploits Pichu's major weaknesses. On the other end of our metagame, the campy character, pichu doesn't fit in either, where she would get overwhelmed greatly.

TL:DR & Overall Opinion- Pichu is a unique character that needs an extremely smart player to be used effectively with. Basically everything useful has been figured out about Pichu already so she requires, and because of her weaknesses many playstyles are subpar. As already said, Pichu players to have any chance of winning in high level matches need to learn how to read and exploit their opponent.

And this means. . . The Return of Mindgames <3

*and apologies I butchered most of this and just wrote what came to the top of my head without any thought, dont plan on editing this anymore then i need to though

Peace out~

 

[KingClubber]

Thanks for the advice, and come back again sometime. Keeping the pichu boards active is pretty hard without trolls knocking on the doors.

I'm not saying you or Kaze are trolls, just to be clear.

Now getting back to picking fights with aesir....I shouldn't have said that.

LOL.

 

[DerfMidWest]

mmmm... I haven't been here in like a week or something and you guys are arguing about something... but i'm lazy and I'm not gonna reread everything you guys said while I was gone (not sure how much this was)

so yea... Pichu was a joke character...
I don't personally believe he is the worst character in the game, but he's definitely not a good character, it'd be silly to say so.

Agility has few practical uses. Pichu doesn't need it at all really... The main uses for it are just grabbing the ledge really.

 

[Pi]

kk what do you think makes sheik harder to master than pichu?

...I mean Marth I get, because of the cg

but with both pichu and sheik, the only technichals I see are Wding, SHFFLing, and JC grabbing.

Well I guess you also have to boost grab with sheik, be able to shino stall for 8 minutes, which could be kinda hard. Her dd is harder to do? but i don't think these things really represent a serious difference in how difficult it is to master the character. Pichus up-b is harder to sweetspot with.

What am I missing?

unless you're including crazy stuff like run off reverse needle cancel edgehog

sheik, while on the surface may seem easy to control/combo with, requires very precise movement and platform waveland follow ups, good spacing, timings on fastfall while comboing, varied L canceling timing, spacing on upsmashes and fair, she's not SUPER fast so you'll have to space her legs the proper distance and things of that nature

but just look at pichu and how he's played, you dash at someone and nair them when you think they're going to be vulnerable, and then you jump up and nair them again. he's a flying ball of hitboxes, his wavedash/dash is really short, almost impractically short as a spacing tool, so you find yourself just flying through the air while creating hitboxes in some form or another

with sheik and her tilts, dairs, upsmashes, fairs, granted they're not terribly hard to land, but anyone can down throw fair with sheik, but she has a lot more to offer

pichu you just kind of throw yourself at the opponent and can follow up cause you're fast

he doesn't have very intricate combo's that require proper articulate spacing or anything like that

you can faceroll as sheik, and do well, far better than with pichu

but to play sheik at a very high level it requires a lot of fine tuning and polishing

to play pichu at a high level i suspect you just fine tune and polish your facerolling

though i doubt pichu has been explored to his full (note: "full" potential), he is just, as a character, pretty limited

by all means though, test him out, discover new things and share them, i have every intention of picking pichu up as a serious character at some point in my melee career.

 

[DerfMidWest]

I mean... Sheik isn't that much more complicated than Pichu...
We still have to space well... because we get ***** harder if we don't.
are combos are more than just nair chains, and pichu really revolves more around edgeguarding than comboing. combos are nice, but in the end, they just are there to make edge guarding easier.
I like to gimp people :3

 

[KingClubber]

Let's start a new discussion, i tired of fighting with people about pichu. Starting to wish people would just ignored this thread like they use too.

So what should we talk about, lets not talk about match ups, that's what started all this non-sense in the first place, well that and someone hype another pichu player that doesn't really hang around to help out.

 

[KirbyKaze]

kk what do you think makes sheik harder to master than pichu?

...I mean Marth I get, because of the cg

but with both pichu and sheik, the only technichals I see are Wding, SHFFLing, and JC grabbing.

Well I guess you also have to boost grab with sheik, be able to shino stall for 8 minutes, which could be kinda hard. Her dd is harder to do? but i don't think these things really represent a serious difference in how difficult it is to master the character. Pichus up-b is harder to sweetspot with.

What am I missing?

unless you're including crazy stuff like run off reverse needle cancel edgehog

you're ****ing stupid never respond to one of my posts again.

 

[Strong Badam]

+ rep

 

[DerfMidWest]

playing sheik is funny. I don't really know what I should be doing. I suspect that there really isn't much that I can do, but what i've been doing is like... just throwing them off the stage and grabbing the ledge and jolting a lot. and that sometimes kills them. so yey :D

 

[oliman]

what do people think of the pichu falco mu and the pichu jiggz mu? i think if the pika jiggz mu is like 50 50 or whatever, why is the pichu jiggz so bad?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Because Pichu is a lot worse than Pikachu.

IMO
Falco: 80:20
Jigglypuff: 65:35

 

[DerfMidWest]

mm... 60-40 jiggz, imo.
We dun't get rested super easy and we can punish missed rests well. Pichu also doesn't get edgeguarded, so puff dun't likes that. Pichu can kill puff kinda quick also, but the bad thing is that puff can like.. outrange pichu by a bunch and fair beats out pichu's approaches.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I don't think that there's any reason why Puff should be up smashed routinely by Pichu at KO percent. Mostly because of Bair's range, and blocking.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

^This.

When Pichu gets in, he can wreck pretty hard with nair and up smash, but Jigglypuff just plain out-ranges him.

 

[Leaf.]

Hi guys, long time no see!
I have a Melee tournament this weekend.

Also this is Leaf, I got a name change.

 

[N64]

Pikachu jiggs isn't 50 50. I thought we debunked this myth years ago!

Jiggs is one of pikachu's worst matchups. At least top 5.
Pichu jiggs has got to be just horrible.

 

[ShroudedOne]

mm... 60-40 jiggz, imo.
We dun't get rested super easy and we can punish missed rests well. Pichu also doesn't get edgeguarded, so puff dun't likes that. Pichu can kill puff kinda quick also, but the bad thing is that puff can like.. outrange pichu by a bunch and fair beats out pichu's approaches.

Hi Max! Just thought I'd remind you that I am free to do as I please. Hope you're doing well.

 

[DerfMidWest]

No, see, you are banished from this board because you are obnoxious and have no purpose in life, k bye.

 

[KingClubber]

The current theme song of the Pichu's thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aj9_8t1eQc

 

[DerfMidWest]

enh.... not a big fan of nine inch nails...

 

[KingClubber]

well you only listen to underground music so why would you be.

 

[DerfMidWest]

hey guys. make me hyped about Pichu again, because I haven't been lately.

NEEDZ MOAR HYPEZ

 

[Leaf.]

I could post some pictures of Pichu.

That makes me hype.

 

[KingClubber]

 

[DerfMidWest]

MY PICHU HYPE HAS RETURNED!!!

I also realized how funny fair gimps are against n00by falcos xP

 

[ShroudedOne]

No, see, you are banished from this board because you are obnoxious and have no purpose in life, k bye.

So does that mean that you can be banished from this board, too?

Also, that pic of Pichu is pretty nice.

 

[Leaf.]

Well.

I got 2-0ed today.

Not bad for a brawl player playing one of the worst characters in the game.

 

[DerfMidWest]

do you know what *****? Pichu in doubles. So much fun. So much ****.

I was at a mini smashfest yesterday and me and my partner just **** on everyone in teams. it was pree cool.

 

[Leaf.]

Playing in doubles was definitely better. I teamed with my brawl partner and he used Luigi.

It's funny because in brawl doubles, a couple of melee players entered, and we had to fight that EXACT team in Melee doubles later on in the day.

But oh my god it was so fun.

 

[KingClubber]

im totally confused of why your posting about brawl matches in the pichu thread when pichu isn't in brawl.....

 

[Leaf.]

Because the matches were related to Melee later on in the day.

 

[DerfMidWest]

"posting..."
we should do that more.

 

[KingClubber]

don't see the point, you learn anything new?, got a video to show?, talk about a match you had?, been enlighten to doing more then spamming Nair back n forth across the stage? Wanna share advice?

If not, it pointless.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Bair has good combo applications.

 

[KingClubber]

^^ We knew this already KK, not trying to sound like a smart *** but we talked about it for a while.

But i am wondering whether not if b-air can counter out other aerial attack, we learn from Grim that Bair might counter marth's Fair, seeing how pichu has to go through that tip of the sword to reach marth.

And I might start following you around you always have something interesting to say, might learn a bit more about things i didn't know about.

 

[DerfMidWest]

lolwut? I never spammed nair across the stage <_<
I jolt spam. and grab. and then edge guard.
like a real man.