Social The Pichu Social & General Discussion Thread

[KingClubber]

The only problem i'm having is short hopping, it 80% of pichu's approach game, if your not using Agility. If i get the chance to play someone i'll try to catch a video. Be warned, everyone i know who I play sucks in melee and don't believe in advance tech's, so don't expect any flash, other maybe my pichu if i can get around the short hop.

It's very frustrating, that i can't get this down even after all this time.

 

[DerfMidWest]

I doubt that short hopping is your only problem... its not as simple as that lol.
just practice short hopping allot, it will come to you eventually.

try going to a tourney or something and recording a few matches there (you don't even have to enter, just do friendlies or something)

 

[KingClubber]

I would but have no idea where they host tournament in Los Angeles, i know theres got to be some players here in L.A but where i have no idea

 

[DerfMidWest]

you just missed this one:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299623

honestly, just check the tournament listings. A bunch will pop up near you... especially since you're in CA...

you will probably have to travel a bit, but not too far


btw, its happening again on the 6th, so go check it out ^^

 

[KingClubber]

Using Agility after aerial attack, or after L-cancel aerial attack might be of some use in chasing DI, or returning to ground faster, and overall looks more flashy. Fast falling, might be better do DI chasing, but this could be used to mix things up a bit, and could get you to the ground faster....I think.

Im not sure whats faster, fast falling or agility. Someone should test that.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Oh hey, you care again.

I'll test the fast falling/agility thing as soon as I pick up my Melee copy from a friend's house.

I think you mentioned shield pressure before, there isn't much Pichu can do really. If you are close enough, jab their shield heaps... Otherwise, you can sort-of stand back and do empty short hops, Pichu is fast enough to punish their out-of-shield options with a running nair most of the time.

 

[KingClubber]

Oh hey, you care again.

I'll test the fast falling/agility thing as soon as I pick up my Melee copy from a friend's house.

I think you mentioned shield pressure before, there isn't much Pichu can do really. If you are close enough, jab their shield heaps... Otherwise, you can sort-of stand back and do empty short hops, Pichu is fast enough to punish their out-of-shield options with a running nair most of the time.

Sigh...

I'm just tired of all the bull pichu has to go through, and being at the very bottom, makes it worst because it mean there's no development happening. I did start practicing again with falco, god i missed him. But i couldn't let pichu go.... so i'm back.

Thanks for the info, all my indication for pichu's smash attacks are correct, tested them myself.

We need some good uses for Pichu's other special attacks, i'm trying to come up with some ideas for the side-b but nothing good yet.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Side-b is just too slow, unfortunately :/

I use it on the top platform of Kongo Jungle to get from one side to the other safely, that's about it.

 

[DerfMidWest]

Side-B is teh *****. Puff can't do **** if it misses a rest and its got 15%+
On top of that, Pichu is small and isn't combo'd easily so puff is probably going to miss a rest if they try it...

as for agility vs fast fall, I think they are about the same speed because while agility moves faster it has those stupid frames where you're standing still. It looks sexier though ^^
A couple of times what i've done is usmash -> nair -> agility>>Upsmash/Fsmash

 

[KingClubber]

I think it faster if you trying to syke someone out, or want to reach the ground faster, but after an aerial attack it about the same, but gives you the option of moving in horizontal angles before landing, best when used to get to the ground fast, which mean use 1 zip, and save your self the extra damage.

I'll try to make a video of the idea, i hope the movie maker still works.

 

[DerfMidWest]

lolololol reading this thread is hilarious, but that might be because i'm drunk.

 

[KingClubber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyV_9HFN8r8

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[DerfMidWest]

its hard to hear you over the music...

and come on Clubber, you are barely trying. You could be so much fancier if you tried a bit more

as for short hopping, did you try practicing in x2 speed a whole lot?

 

[KingClubber]

i'm not trying to let you identify me, lol.

I wasn't trying to be fancy as you can tell.

No i haven't, but i give it a try, doubt it will help though.

But i hear nothing about the idea itself, come on.

 

[DerfMidWest]

doing agility out of an arial? yea... it works.... I do it all the time...
Its useful for following up a nair or dair at mid/low percents. I think bair and fair are out to long though and uair will send them upwards, so its only useful out of nair unless its for mindgames/looking fancy.

What I've tried to do a couple of times is nair somebody so that they go off stage and then agility into the ledge.

 

[KingClubber]

=_=

why didn't you say something before i uploaded a video for it then

 

[DerfMidWest]

because I was under the influence of alcohol.

and i think that i did...

 

[DerfMidWest]

by the way, we now have more posts than G&W boards :D

VICTORRRRRRRRRY

 

[DerfMidWest]

man you guys are all ruining my vicory with your silly lack of posting .-.

it makes me feel sad :'(

 

[KingClubber]

If we didn't go up the tier list for it, then i don't care.

 

[DerfMidWest]

aw you're no fun.

 

[KingClubber]

Give me a list of challenges to complete to improve my overall skill with Pichu, that can be done playing alone. Things that will force me to play smarter, and harder. If i can, i'll supply video proof of conquest.

Also Aesir, thanks for the tip for SH'ing, the way i have to do it is kinda weird but i'll make it work.

 

[DerfMidWest]

you're challenge: go to a tourney. kbye.

 

[KingClubber]

sorry no can do, try to read what i wrote next time please

 

[DerfMidWest]

that is "playing alone"

by going to a tourney you will get allot better than you will playing by yourself, going to a tourney allows you to play more people who are decent at the game, and lets you see whats wrong with your playstyle, imo, the best way to get better is to go to tourneys.

 

[KingClubber]

Look Aesir, i play complete different from other players, going to tournaments isn't going to help me. Trust me, no one knows that better then me. Sharpening my skill take me short amount of with 1 on1 with myself, i don't need someone to point out my mistakes, i clearly know my own flaws. Any 90% of my flaw is because the new skills i learn or discover are out of practice.

The Challenge things was just supposed to be for fun, so i wouldn't get bored going over my old step to get better again, thanks for trying to help but no thanks.

 

[DerfMidWest]

you know i thought i knew all of my problems too lol, trust me, going to tourneys is going to help you allot, and it is fun. so you lose.

 

[KingClubber]

Clearly you have fallen into the ideal that all players are the same, or something. The way I play, and learn are completely different from others. But this isn't an argument anyway there's nothing to prove, and i won't going to any tournament anytime soon unless there in my area which means not traveling into another city.

I'm working on a new idea that might be effective against Fox, and Falco. But i'm not sure of it yet so i wont say until i've done more testing.

Grim still waiting on those guides of yours.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Did I promise guides? God, I'm so awful >_> I always say I'll do things and then I never do them.

Speaking of which, are you guys free tomorrow during the day? We need to schedule this Pichu Skype thing already.

 

[KingClubber]

I am for sure, not a darn thing to do tomorrow.

And yeah, you said you'll make a guide on Pichu's throws, you said you'll update your bi-weekly, now bi-monthly pichu tip guide, and that you would update the prefect agility guide.

LOL, there are more things you've promised but, i'll leave it at that.

 

[DerfMidWest]

Oh sorry, tomorrow I work then I'm doing a podcast, so I probably won't be free... I'm free all weekends though, so what about saturday?

 

[ShroudedOne]

Wow, it's kind of windy in here.

Aside from playing against a level 9 computer/practicing tech skill, try to find people/friends in your area that play. Beasting on noobs/casual players helps with execution, too, perfecting things that you can already do. Going to a tourney is ideal, though.

 

[DerfMidWest]

wtf... get the hell outa my boards Jaiye, you're not welcome here

trolololololol

And Jaiye is right, I get infinitely better by beasting on him all the time.

 

[KingClubber]

Well when you find someone who lives, and play in Los Angeles, I'll be fine enough to go play til then drop it.

Anyway i test the idea i was working on, pretty much against Fox, or Falco when they're trying to recover onto the stage, jumping off the stage and using Side-B can to line up with there Firefox/FireBird can knock them farther from the stage, it out prioritize against they're Side-B as well, but you have to release first.

Give it a try and see if it works for either of you.

 

[DerfMidWest]

why would you do that lol. side B isn't a good option for edge guarding... I'd rather fsmash against fox/falco. or fair them out of their sideB.

 

[KingClubber]

Either try it or don't, unless your going to start doing research, and theory work on pichu's meta-game get off my back. Try contributing something to the board instead of shooting down everything im doing, and saying.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

And so, a fabulous rivalry was born between KingClubber and AesirGod.

 

[DerfMidWest]

wow... he's so angry... I'm just saying, yes, its possible to edgeguard with sideB, but there is really no point to it... I mean, maybe against a super floaty since it actually kills them and they easily DI out of fsmash, but not really fox/falco, pichu already gimps them super easily too.

And I don't shoot down everything you say, but I'm not going to agree with you all the time if there is a better and easier option (i.e. Fsmash)

Besides, I've given you allot of advice on how to better your pichu (and smashing skills in general) and you seem to think that the basic methods of getting better don't work for you when you refuse to even try them. Honestly, playing in tourneys makes you get better allot faster than playing on your own. Tech skill is important, but its more important to learn how to play against skilled players and learn how to actually use your tech skill in real play. Going to tourneys will give you a chance to experiment with your ideas against legitimate players and give you more experience playing different matchups. On top of that, tourneys are fun (and usually cheap) and there are tourneys within an hour or two of where you live all the time...

 

[ShroudedOne]

L.A.? Shouldn't be that hard to find someone. I'm sure you could do it here. Coordinate rides to a smasher's house or something. Of course, the idea of inviting a Pichu main to my house might give me pause...

But Max is absolutely correct. The only way he got better was by beasting on me. It's true.

 

[DerfMidWest]

wtf? You wouldn't invite me to your house because I'm a pichu main? I'm pretty sure thats racist. After we allowed you to come over and play smash all these times :'(