DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
I shall play around with that then.
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KingClubber
Smash Ace
Here's a Very Important Question - Has anyone found any attacks that eats sheild?
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
uh yea... ganon at kongo is hard to play against >_<
I got 4 stocked.
I got 4 stocked.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
@Clubber: Pichu's too weak, he doesn't have any.
@Aesir: Camp the top platforms and run away along the top. Nairs and Bairs to counter whatever Ganon tries to pull.
@Aesir: Camp the top platforms and run away along the top. Nairs and Bairs to counter whatever Ganon tries to pull.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
@Clubber: Pichu's too weak, he doesn't have any.
@Aesir: Camp the top platforms and run away along the top. Nairs and Bairs to counter whatever Ganon tries to pull.
@Aesir: Camp the top platforms and run away along the top. Nairs and Bairs to counter whatever Ganon tries to pull.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
lolz. smashboards is funny sometimes.
Camping is no fun. I get bored after about 10 seconds.
Camping is no fun. I get bored after about 10 seconds.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
KJ isn't going to work for you then :3
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
yea... thats why i got 4 stocked. I'm probably gonna go to FD and Rainbow cruise... except rainbow cruise is banned from allot of Ohio tourneys for some reason <_<
KingClubber
Smash Ace
I know this is going to sound very silly, and odd. But the only way you going to get over this, is by keeping ganon on the ground which means your going to have to play a bit of hit, and run.
Ganon's real abilities come out in his aerial game. Intermediate him into stay on the ground, when he's above you, use u-air, and he below you D-air. Never go at an even ground ganon, he will dominate you with F-air. Ganon F-airs can go through even a full charged arrow from Link, unless you think you can beat him to the punch, don't try it.
Ganon's real abilities come out in his aerial game. Intermediate him into stay on the ground, when he's above you, use u-air, and he below you D-air. Never go at an even ground ganon, he will dominate you with F-air. Ganon F-airs can go through even a full charged arrow from Link, unless you think you can beat him to the punch, don't try it.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
well... ganon's fair hitbox come out on top before underneath so if he trys to fair i usually stay underneath him and uair or fair him.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
. . . . . . . . . . . . . (Raises hand slowly, but drops it again). . . . . . . (Starts thinking about lame things that matters very little). . . . . . . . .(Sighs, and closes web page)
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
psh.. you've lost.
Perfect agility is hard to do with x/y button. I was bored and was like "I wonder if I can perfect agility with x" i use y for jumping but i figured x would be easier since i can just slide my finger over to b faster. I did it in training mode at 2/3 speed, but it was still hard. it make me sad. but then I realized "Oh wait... I'm never going to need to use x/y to do perfect agility because the control stick is so much easier"
then I felt unaccomplished.
Perfect agility is hard to do with x/y button. I was bored and was like "I wonder if I can perfect agility with x" i use y for jumping but i figured x would be easier since i can just slide my finger over to b faster. I did it in training mode at 2/3 speed, but it was still hard. it make me sad. but then I realized "Oh wait... I'm never going to need to use x/y to do perfect agility because the control stick is so much easier"
then I felt unaccomplished.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
I know that feeling all to well
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I use control stick for Perfect Agility too, it's sooooooooo easy.
You just start with the stick in neutral, move it to "up" and press 'B', then do a quarter circle to "forward/backward".
You just start with the stick in neutral, move it to "up" and press 'B', then do a quarter circle to "forward/backward".
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
yes... I know how to do it... I was just trying to do it with x/y just for the sake of doing it.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Now, how many pichu's played today at Genesis? ....None? No surprise there.
Here's to another year of pichu being bottom tier.
Here's to another year of pichu being bottom tier.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I'm working on it, give me time.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Well, i'm going to getting back to researching new stuff with pichu again, i'd hoped to get some new pichu videos to study by now for new ideas.
Right now the best place to get ideas for pichu are from captain falcon, and pikachu video's, because of some of they're similar play style.
Also i don't know if people know this by now, i think Grim does. But Pichu form of wave-dashing is Agility Dash. Now that i think about it, Agility should be used like an more advanced but complex version of wave-dashing.
Which means it should be used as a spacing tool as well, things are starting to make more sense now.
I just thought of this now, crazy.
Right now the best place to get ideas for pichu are from captain falcon, and pikachu video's, because of some of they're similar play style.
Also i don't know if people know this by now, i think Grim does. But Pichu form of wave-dashing is Agility Dash. Now that i think about it, Agility should be used like an more advanced but complex version of wave-dashing.
Which means it should be used as a spacing tool as well, things are starting to make more sense now.
I just thought of this now, crazy.
SnakeMan
Smash Cadet
How is this done? Do you mean just using perfect agilitys in a similar manner as a wavedash?
Explain please!
Explain please!
Sinji
Smash Master
What is pichu's worst match up?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
@Clubber
Yes, I use Agility dashing as a longer wave-dash. Though it is much more situational because Pichu can't move during the actual "agility" part, so I don't use it as regularly as, for example, Luigi's wave-dash.
@SnakeMan
If you jump and then do an Agility horizontally as soon as you leave the ground, you'll do a wave-dash as soon as the Agility finishes and you'll only have 1 frame of lag. This is used as a fast movement option.
@Sinji
Most people would say Ice Climbers. If I had to order Pichu's match-ups from worst to best, it'd probably be:
Ice Climbers
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf
Peach
Sheik (NTSC)
Fox
Samus
Sheik (PAL)
Marth
Falco
Dr. Mario
Yes, I use Agility dashing as a longer wave-dash. Though it is much more situational because Pichu can't move during the actual "agility" part, so I don't use it as regularly as, for example, Luigi's wave-dash.
@SnakeMan
If you jump and then do an Agility horizontally as soon as you leave the ground, you'll do a wave-dash as soon as the Agility finishes and you'll only have 1 frame of lag. This is used as a fast movement option.
@Sinji
Most people would say Ice Climbers. If I had to order Pichu's match-ups from worst to best, it'd probably be:
Ice Climbers
Captain Falcon
Ganondorf
Peach
Sheik (NTSC)
Fox
Samus
Sheik (PAL)
Marth
Falco
Dr. Mario
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Yes, Grim has said before that it can be used for approaching, and escaping. But this can be use similar to wave-dashing, which is used for spacing.How is this done? Do you mean just using perfect agilitys in a similar manner as a wavedash?
Explain please!
The biggest difference is speed, control, and ledges. There are some other stuff like wave-smashing, frame data, and timing. I haven't had a chance to put this theory to the test yet.
Currently Ice Climbers, they rack up damage pretty fast, have some pretty strong attacks, and dealing with two of them can be a pain even when separated.
@Grim - What do you think about this idea? I think it would work well because of pichu's wavedash distance is lacking, and prefect agility could make up for that, and could do things that wave-dashing can specifically in the air.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Lol
ninja'd
xd
ninja'd
xd
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
No... I disagree with this...
CF is not Pichu's second worst matchup, its not great, but its not that bad. CF can get a couple **** combos, sure, and he can punish Pichu, but Pichu also punishes him pretty hard. His recovery is also pretty easy to gimp... I find it just as easy as gimping falco's upB. and if he techs the downsmash then you can just follow up with a nair or something.
Fox is definitely not a worse matchup for pichu than marth. like I said in the other thread, Fox/Pichu is more like a 70-30. Pichu can combo fox easily, gimp fox easily, and **** fox for messing up. He can't really do that for marth. Marth also gets annoying fair combos on Pichu pretty easy and just can completely prevent Pichu from approaching if he plays correctly, fox really can't.
Sinji
Smash Master
What are some good combos against Dr. Mario?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
You are entitled to your opinion.
The problem is that you will not be landing a hit on a good Falcon. Amazing speed coupled with fast, good-range aerials (especially nair) means that Falcon can nullify most of Pichu's approaches.
It's worse than that though, Pichu dies INCREDIBLY early to Falcon and gets combo'd by him HARD. Awful tech-roll/get-up roll + bad falling speed = Falcon will get a free Knee almost every time he hits you.
Fox has speed, Fox has strength. These are two things Pichu doesn't want to come up against. Fox, basically, out-Pichus Pichu. He covers options so well to the point that Pichu will get punished for every minor mistake in everything, and he will be punished hard. Not to the same degree as Falcon, but uthrow > uair and usmash are still both amazing.
MARTH on the other hand, is of a pretty average speed and his KO ability relies on getting Pichu in the right spot. Pichu, however, has Agility. Marth needs a hard read on Agility to actually hit Pichu off of it. Long story short, Pichu can run circles around Marth and Marth really can't do that much to prevent it.
It's worth mentioning that Pichu isn't really a combo-based character, but anyway... Most of your combos will be SHFFL'd nair strings, possible starting with a SHFFL'd bair. You can end the combos with either Dtilt or Fsmash, they are Pichu's farthest reaching moves.
Utilt and uair can combo into basically any aerial, and I believe dthrow would combo into stuff at high percents (use uthrow for low percents).
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
I like grab combos and uair combos...
for fighting doc, I usually just try to get a grab, get a little percent in then get him off the stage and gimp.
And grim, when facing a marth or fox who knows how to play against Pichu, marth ***** harder. I've learned that you can't rely on agility because its still not fast enough. when you begin agility, you're vulnerable and a good marth is going to position himself so that agility it either going to still run into his attack or so that he can't be punished for missing. A good marth is nearly untouchable.
and I've just never found the Fox matchup to be that bad...
for fighting doc, I usually just try to get a grab, get a little percent in then get him off the stage and gimp.
And grim, when facing a marth or fox who knows how to play against Pichu, marth ***** harder. I've learned that you can't rely on agility because its still not fast enough. when you begin agility, you're vulnerable and a good marth is going to position himself so that agility it either going to still run into his attack or so that he can't be punished for missing. A good marth is nearly untouchable.
and I've just never found the Fox matchup to be that bad...
KingClubber
Smash Ace
@Aesir - Get off Grim back, it's his opinion.
And i kinda agree with his chart, if you been reading what i've being saying, pichu is a bad version of many mixed characters. C.Falcon is one of them, C.falcon, and Ganon are like swordsman without swords with they're aerial game, having more reach then most character with they're aerial attacks.
C.Falcon is a sword, Pichu is a dagger.
Captain falcon aerial ability is better then that even the jiggy puff, but he falls fast which mean he can cut through the air better then everyone. Pichu right now relies on his aerial game, with C.Falcon better reach pichu would suffer for it.
Marth's only weapon against Pichu is his tipper, if you can avoid that most of your problem are out of the way, now you just need to get whats behind his sword, him. Keyword word for this fight is Mindgames, or Trickery. Marth fighting style is pretty straight forward, and never changes. If you can read Marth game, then you'll win. Plus your small enough for him to miss judge the reach.
Fox can't be denied his place, as the top dog unless put up against Falco. In a match between Pichu, and Fox, not getting hit is a troublesome thing. Fox ground speed makes up anything people throw at him unless it can stop him in his tracks, pichu only attack that can do that is thunder jolt, which is very laggy. Which means fox can out wit most pichu's by just using lasers.
Getting into Fox's guard is just as dangerous because of his many strong attacks, but once you get into his guard that stock is yours if you know how to keep fox from getting his bearings.
I told you before a prefect pichu is an untouchable pichu, you can't go braving your way through enemies, a fresh U-smash could kill Pichu below 50% damage.
While i agree that fox is one of pichu's better match up, it doesn't go without a huge possibility of defeat.
This is my opinion on the matter, we're entitled to disagree on the matter.
And i kinda agree with his chart, if you been reading what i've being saying, pichu is a bad version of many mixed characters. C.Falcon is one of them, C.falcon, and Ganon are like swordsman without swords with they're aerial game, having more reach then most character with they're aerial attacks.
C.Falcon is a sword, Pichu is a dagger.
Captain falcon aerial ability is better then that even the jiggy puff, but he falls fast which mean he can cut through the air better then everyone. Pichu right now relies on his aerial game, with C.Falcon better reach pichu would suffer for it.
Marth's only weapon against Pichu is his tipper, if you can avoid that most of your problem are out of the way, now you just need to get whats behind his sword, him. Keyword word for this fight is Mindgames, or Trickery. Marth fighting style is pretty straight forward, and never changes. If you can read Marth game, then you'll win. Plus your small enough for him to miss judge the reach.
Fox can't be denied his place, as the top dog unless put up against Falco. In a match between Pichu, and Fox, not getting hit is a troublesome thing. Fox ground speed makes up anything people throw at him unless it can stop him in his tracks, pichu only attack that can do that is thunder jolt, which is very laggy. Which means fox can out wit most pichu's by just using lasers.
Getting into Fox's guard is just as dangerous because of his many strong attacks, but once you get into his guard that stock is yours if you know how to keep fox from getting his bearings.
I told you before a prefect pichu is an untouchable pichu, you can't go braving your way through enemies, a fresh U-smash could kill Pichu below 50% damage.
While i agree that fox is one of pichu's better match up, it doesn't go without a huge possibility of defeat.
This is my opinion on the matter, we're entitled to disagree on the matter.
Sinji
Smash Master
Are their any pichu vids. I can watch on youtube?
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Look up " SSBM Pichu combo video " or " SSBM Pichu vs "
Be warned all youtube videos of pichu are all over a year old, until someone steps up to the plate the most you will be learning about pichu is here.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
I'm just debating. discussion is the only way these boards will really be active. I respect his opinion, I'm just discussing the matchup...
and marth has more than a tipper... like I said, a marth who knows how to play against a Pichu is terribley unfun. 0 -> deaths all over the place. If the Pichu isn't perfect, he's dead.
and marth has more than a tipper... like I said, a marth who knows how to play against a Pichu is terribley unfun. 0 -> deaths all over the place. If the Pichu isn't perfect, he's dead.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Not true, but whatever.
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Been wait for someone to post to post this
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Pichu's smash attacks are simular to these characters, the difference is lacks in reach, and speed, in the D-smash case also directional angle.
F-Smash - Zelda
U-Smash - Mario
D-Smash - Samus
Pichu takes these attacks and twisted them into his own.
Also you guys need to start being more creative with you aerial attacks. This is pointed more at you Aeris, as your getting predictable from what i've been hearing from you lately.
Also, anyone know where i can read up on shield pressure, i think this might be another part of pichu meta game advantage, but i don't really undertstand it.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
No, I'm not that predictable, but when you play the same person everyday they learn pichus weaknesses and how to combo you...
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Thus becoming predictable, when you fight the same person over n over. They notice a pattern, pro's pick this up super fast, like first stock fast. Switch it up constantly, make him/her second guess your every action.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
he isn't usually predicting me, he covers all options.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
I think im going to pull a Grim, and focus on characters i'm actually good at. I'm starting to get highly annoyed with pichu players, and non-pichu players. No one has any confidence in his ability what so every, whats the point of try to prove that pichu is better then bottom tier if your not going to shoot for higher.
I keep getting the promise of video's, and get none. What am i'm supposed to learn from, 5+ year year old guides. I tried my best to help around here with ideas, and little discovery's, but i'm getting little to no help.
I want to say more but, i don't want to offend anyone so I'll just take my leave here.
I keep getting the promise of video's, and get none. What am i'm supposed to learn from, 5+ year year old guides. I tried my best to help around here with ideas, and little discovery's, but i'm getting little to no help.
I want to say more but, i don't want to offend anyone so I'll just take my leave here.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
wow seriously?
if you want videas, wait for meh to get money and dazzle
but why don't you post videos then clubber? we could help you find all of your problems if you post them.
if you want videas, wait for meh to get money and dazzle
but why don't you post videos then clubber? we could help you find all of your problems if you post them.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I'm sorry Clubber, I realize that the video promising was directed at me. :/
KingClubber
Smash Ace
You weren't the only one Grim
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
seriously clubber, I think we could help you allot if you posted videos of yourself playing... I think that is the real point of the video thread, you can see what you are doing wrong and we can point out stuff that we see.
I need dazzle <_<
I need dazzle <_<