KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
This skull bash plan automatically fails in the presence of platforms because... platforms.
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Social The Pichu Social & General Discussion Thread
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soju
SD God
Something like this only works at around <70%, so clubber is right as it will combo BUT it wont nearly be charged enough to do any damage. And chillax Aesir at least he's trying to come up with stuff.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
it will never combo... like ever... they can always just react to it.
and i respect that he's trying to come up with new ideas, this just doesn't work.
and i respect that he's trying to come up with new ideas, this just doesn't work.
soju
SD God
Tried combo opportunities with the pichu skullbash on falling spacies, it works but as i said its useless and your going to get punished extremely. Also read KClubbers original theory, because originally i thought it was just usmash/throw -> skullbash at low % and its actually them falling from the top, and somewhat understood what he meant(i think), yeah it might work once or twice but its way too gimmicky to be useful.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
yea i understood what he meant... I just think its very easy to react to unless they get nervous and do something ********.
anyways, I've realized just how awesome pichu's tilts are... I knew they could be great spacing tools... but now that i've gotten better i've been using them more and they are just awesome.
I've also decided to get good at the Pichu/Sheik matchup. Thats one of the bad matchups that I can do ok in and I want to kind of perfect my sheik fighting-ish-ness. I'm going to try to practice this matchup until I make it the one i'm best at since I noticed that people tend to choose sheik or marth when I'm pichu since they don't really know how to fight me.
anyways, I've realized just how awesome pichu's tilts are... I knew they could be great spacing tools... but now that i've gotten better i've been using them more and they are just awesome.
I've also decided to get good at the Pichu/Sheik matchup. Thats one of the bad matchups that I can do ok in and I want to kind of perfect my sheik fighting-ish-ness. I'm going to try to practice this matchup until I make it the one i'm best at since I noticed that people tend to choose sheik or marth when I'm pichu since they don't really know how to fight me.
I really did a lot to advance the meta game here.
And I'm still around, just not playing Melee so much anymore. Heck, I'm hardly around this site even for the R.O.B. boards, and I think I've done more for the R.O.B. metagame than I did for Pichu!
I'll poke my head in the Pichu boards every once in a while. If anyone wants a response to a post just use my name "t0mmy" and when I do a namesearch it'll come up.
(also, I disregarded the damage Pichu's electric attacks did because Pichu needed everything he could get... even if it hurt him. If you play well enough, the reward from using certain attacks when needed outweigh the damage... Pichu gets KO'd so early anyway, it really doesn't matter if you're at 120% or 90%)
KingClubber
Smash Ace
You don't know how many times i tried to explain that....or maybe you do.......
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
uhm...yea, but that doesn't mean you should throw out electric attacks whenever...
Fair is very situational. I use it a lot in combos and stuff, but its kind of meh as a move.
Fsmash is k, but if you use it too often people learn how to get out of it. its also punishable.
Jolts are amazing.
Dair is kind of stupid, but dair kills look sexy.
Skullbash is useless most of the time, but occasionally helps with recovering and punishing puff.
Agility can be awesome, but only when used right. piece of **** approach, better for looking fancy tbh.
Thunder is a pree cool guy when used correctly.
rather than dair or fair, its usually better to Nair or bair (or sometimes uair lol)
any tilt is better than spamming fsmash.
upsmash is going to get more kills than fsmash (depending on stage and matchup)
tl;dr: Don't neglect a move simply because it deals damage to yourself, every move has a use. But often times, Pichu's other moves are better options than the electric, so only use electric attacks when you know that you need them.
oh yea and fthrow... thats rarely useful... but its nice against scrubs who can't wall tech and floaties.
Fair is very situational. I use it a lot in combos and stuff, but its kind of meh as a move.
Fsmash is k, but if you use it too often people learn how to get out of it. its also punishable.
Jolts are amazing.
Dair is kind of stupid, but dair kills look sexy.
Skullbash is useless most of the time, but occasionally helps with recovering and punishing puff.
Agility can be awesome, but only when used right. piece of **** approach, better for looking fancy tbh.
Thunder is a pree cool guy when used correctly.
rather than dair or fair, its usually better to Nair or bair (or sometimes uair lol)
any tilt is better than spamming fsmash.
upsmash is going to get more kills than fsmash (depending on stage and matchup)
tl;dr: Don't neglect a move simply because it deals damage to yourself, every move has a use. But often times, Pichu's other moves are better options than the electric, so only use electric attacks when you know that you need them.
oh yea and fthrow... thats rarely useful... but its nice against scrubs who can't wall tech and floaties.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
That's just your opinion, not an stated fact.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
yea it is my opinion... its also common sense...
why would you use a move that hurts you when a move that doesn't hurt you is a better option?
regardless of the self damage, why would you use a move that is not the best option?
why would you use a move that hurts you when a move that doesn't hurt you is a better option?
regardless of the self damage, why would you use a move that is not the best option?
KingClubber
Smash Ace
When has Melee ever followed common sense?
And the "Best option" becomes situational when you look at the other options such as leads, and follow ups. Lets go with pichu's approach.... everyone has said pichu doesn't has poor approach options, and the best non-recoil option for approaching is N-air. How about making an opening? Pichu has many tools that can do this because of how little frames, or landing lag pichu's attacks have. Which make now the Best option one of many best options now.
I had began to see this a while ago, for example verse the dreaded marth you can bait this F-air, and F-Smash, and get into his guard while he's recovering from his attack. N-air having a large frame count wouldn't be the best option now. You have to take advantage of every little thing, or as i'm hearing more, and more of "Be a better player"
And the "Best option" becomes situational when you look at the other options such as leads, and follow ups. Lets go with pichu's approach.... everyone has said pichu doesn't has poor approach options, and the best non-recoil option for approaching is N-air. How about making an opening? Pichu has many tools that can do this because of how little frames, or landing lag pichu's attacks have. Which make now the Best option one of many best options now.
I had began to see this a while ago, for example verse the dreaded marth you can bait this F-air, and F-Smash, and get into his guard while he's recovering from his attack. N-air having a large frame count wouldn't be the best option now. You have to take advantage of every little thing, or as i'm hearing more, and more of "Be a better player"
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
perhaps you misunderstood what I was trying to say, so let me rephrase it.
I don't think any of us, as pichu players, are scared of using electric attacks because of self damage. Often times, when electric attacks are used, a non-electric attack would be a better choice (but not always)
lets take dair for example. It has its uses. It can be a good grab set up, it can kill well, lots of things combo into it. But really, Nair or Bair could replace it in any situation where it could be used.
Fthrow almost never needs to be used. Its nearly useless, tbh. It lets you do a fake chaingrab on floaties and it can **** scrubs if you fthrow them into a wall, but the move pretty much sucks (I do occasionally use it when it will send them off stage though). Generally, you are much better off using uthrow or dthrow than fthrow. they set up more things and they lead to real thaingrabs/tech chases or random combos.
Fsmash. fsmash is good while you're opponent is at low percent. It intercepts the spacies recovery well. The problems are that its kinda slow, it makes u vulnerable, and they can sdi out of it. Its a great move, but It can often be replaced with Ftilt/Dtilt, which are generally safer moves.
I could keep going on, but i'm tired.
I don't think these moves are worthless. I'm just saying, they can usually be replaced.
I don't think any of us, as pichu players, are scared of using electric attacks because of self damage. Often times, when electric attacks are used, a non-electric attack would be a better choice (but not always)
lets take dair for example. It has its uses. It can be a good grab set up, it can kill well, lots of things combo into it. But really, Nair or Bair could replace it in any situation where it could be used.
Fthrow almost never needs to be used. Its nearly useless, tbh. It lets you do a fake chaingrab on floaties and it can **** scrubs if you fthrow them into a wall, but the move pretty much sucks (I do occasionally use it when it will send them off stage though). Generally, you are much better off using uthrow or dthrow than fthrow. they set up more things and they lead to real thaingrabs/tech chases or random combos.
Fsmash. fsmash is good while you're opponent is at low percent. It intercepts the spacies recovery well. The problems are that its kinda slow, it makes u vulnerable, and they can sdi out of it. Its a great move, but It can often be replaced with Ftilt/Dtilt, which are generally safer moves.
I could keep going on, but i'm tired.
I don't think these moves are worthless. I'm just saying, they can usually be replaced.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
i know what your saying, i got it the first time. It's my opinion, and my opinion is that i agree with T0mmy because his opinion was mine as well. Do you see any other high level players dismiss they're crappy attack, just this year I've seen Dr.PP use F-air with Falco to kill someone, and Kage use N-air to end, and start a combo.
Falco's f-air could have been replaced with b-air the better choice, and Ganon's N-air should have been replaced with a F-air the better choice. But these guys made them work, that's all i'm saying. Hell currently the most unbelievable combo i've seen with sheik is d-air to d-air to U-smash done my Mew2King.
Falco's f-air could have been replaced with b-air the better choice, and Ganon's N-air should have been replaced with a F-air the better choice. But these guys made them work, that's all i'm saying. Hell currently the most unbelievable combo i've seen with sheik is d-air to d-air to U-smash done my Mew2King.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
I didn't disagree with t0mmy though .-.
I don't that you should be scared of self damaging attacks, thats just stupid.
I don't think anybody who uses Pichu seriously really cares about self-damage at all.
And like I said, every move has a use. If you know that either nair or dair will kill just as well, go ahead and use dair, its sexier.
I don't that you should be scared of self damaging attacks, thats just stupid.
I don't think anybody who uses Pichu seriously really cares about self-damage at all.
And like I said, every move has a use. If you know that either nair or dair will kill just as well, go ahead and use dair, its sexier.
soju
SD God
Electric mouse cannonball for the win though ;-;
Anyways i think i stated something earlier about electricty and pichu being emo and how he shouldn't do it a lot. (Think it was about agility stalling, which i still dislike the idea of :<) But anyways, I don't really believe in what T0MMY said about no real difference due to the fact whenever I use Pichu I gain Ken-like DI and can live to %s thats not possible for a Pichu and gain the power to get phantomed at will, well also that even though hes like a stuffed animal filled with feathers it's still possible for him to live a lot of stuff at the lower end. BUT his little electric moveset is purty good, way too many people underestimate the Fsmash and its really hard to DI out of when you combo into it. . . now i just completely forgot what i was saying because I'm playing this little fooker atm but ill get back to you asap with the rest of why Pichu sucks and how yall should get some happiness points and evolve and when i stop kicking *** with him.
Anyways i think i stated something earlier about electricty and pichu being emo and how he shouldn't do it a lot. (Think it was about agility stalling, which i still dislike the idea of :<) But anyways, I don't really believe in what T0MMY said about no real difference due to the fact whenever I use Pichu I gain Ken-like DI and can live to %s thats not possible for a Pichu and gain the power to get phantomed at will, well also that even though hes like a stuffed animal filled with feathers it's still possible for him to live a lot of stuff at the lower end. BUT his little electric moveset is purty good, way too many people underestimate the Fsmash and its really hard to DI out of when you combo into it. . . now i just completely forgot what i was saying because I'm playing this little fooker atm but ill get back to you asap with the rest of why Pichu sucks and how yall should get some happiness points and evolve and when i stop kicking *** with him.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
LOL, sojo your crazy, I'm thinking of learning to play with pikachu anyway, I'm just having a hard time settling with an character that isn't Falco. I want pichu to be that character though....
I been practicing stuff using only half of the agility, and agility to ledge grab. One thing i think all pichu's should practice is not using the full agility to recover to the ledge, but only half as a way to mix things up. It would be a bit confusing for someone who knows pichu's recovery is long, only to make it short like a baseball player known for home runs going for a bunt.
I been practicing stuff using only half of the agility, and agility to ledge grab. One thing i think all pichu's should practice is not using the full agility to recover to the ledge, but only half as a way to mix things up. It would be a bit confusing for someone who knows pichu's recovery is long, only to make it short like a baseball player known for home runs going for a bunt.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
enh... i tried this for a bit. Pika is pretty cool and I enjoy playing with him from time to time, but he's just not as fun as Pichu, imo. You also have to forget a bunch of your Pichu habits...
like... you can walljump anymore... or do silly agility whatnots.
I do this a lot. its pretty useful, but if you're playing a smart player they just react to it.
What I like to do it agility up above the ledge to try and bait them into hitting me out of the second part (i try to make it look like i'm about to ledge-cancel it on a platform) but then I don't do the second part and I hold back and grab the ledge or something.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I don't even have a main anymore. I just use whoever gives me the best chance of winning at that time.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
don't do that grim .-.
you want to stick with one or two characters and make them really good.
you want to stick with one or two characters and make them really good.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I'm not trying to do it, I just can't decide anymore because basically everyone bores me haha
Playing the game since release, I just can't find anything new and exciting to try out anymore, except for low tiers who are fun until people learn the match-up. Then you either have to play mad gay to win, or just lose.
It doesn't help that I've somehow lost all of my ICs skill (don't even know, I just can't use them properly anymore). Fox is probably my best character at the moment, but eh, I've been using: Fox, Falco, Marth, Ice Climbers, Dr. Mario, Young Link and Ness in tourney recently xD
Playing the game since release, I just can't find anything new and exciting to try out anymore, except for low tiers who are fun until people learn the match-up. Then you either have to play mad gay to win, or just lose.
It doesn't help that I've somehow lost all of my ICs skill (don't even know, I just can't use them properly anymore). Fox is probably my best character at the moment, but eh, I've been using: Fox, Falco, Marth, Ice Climbers, Dr. Mario, Young Link and Ness in tourney recently xD
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
enh.... I guess you should just try to become ridiculously techskilled with fox/falco.
that would help to make me less bored with the game.
that would help to make me less bored with the game.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
That is basically what I've been doing.
I'd rather get good with Falco because he is a better character for someone like me who can't keep up the level of tech skill required to play Fox at a high level throughout a whole tournament.
Though Ice Climbers still have a lot of potential if I put effort into picking them up again... And Doc needs more rep...
Blegh, I'll work it out.
I'd rather get good with Falco because he is a better character for someone like me who can't keep up the level of tech skill required to play Fox at a high level throughout a whole tournament.
Though Ice Climbers still have a lot of potential if I put effort into picking them up again... And Doc needs more rep...
Blegh, I'll work it out.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
how bout dat pichu?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Pichu is just bad.
soju
SD God
I don't think I laughed so much at a post before.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
which post?
soju
SD God
:] Yepperz~
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
nah. that post is a lie.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
If it helps, I think that Bowser is worse.
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
rofl bowser definitely isn't worse xD
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
rofl bowser is definitely worse xD
Beat!
Smash Master
So how do you guys feel about ICG being back on the boards with a new alt account?
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
he's not... every time he makes an alt it gets banned in like a week or two.
Prince_Abu
Smash Lord
wow u guys are all wasting ur time pichu sucks
Beat!
Smash Master
@Aesirgod
That's because everyone noticed it immediately the other times, since he made it so blatantly obvious that it was him. He's being far more discrete this time, but it's definitely him (unless someone for some reason is trying to resemble his posting style).
That's because everyone noticed it immediately the other times, since he made it so blatantly obvious that it was him. He's being far more discrete this time, but it's definitely him (unless someone for some reason is trying to resemble his posting style).
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
mmm i'll ask him I guess...
Beat!
Smash Master
Cool.
I hope I'm right LOL
I hope I'm right LOL
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Unknown522 continues to develop the Pichu metagame in ways you guys wish you could develop it.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
chaingrabin' all day .-.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Lets see some of this....Development of Pichu's metagame
You keep claiming stuff like this, but there's more tell then show.