~The Olimar Matchup Thread~Review: R.O.B. or someone~

[Ray_Kalm]

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[kirbywizard]

I think all english in this thread should be kept above an eighth grade level. We're all aware Luigi's Neutral Aerial goes through Olimar's Up Smash and hits him. Yes, you are able to Pivot Grab or Shield Grab Luigi out of his Cyclone. I wouldn't try standing grab because sometimes you'll get him, other times cyclone will hit you, and he may break free as you grab him allowing him to Forward Smash you.

I should really learn to re-read my post before I post. Ouch did not now the forward smash part >_>.

 

[hippiedude92]

I can firmly say that it's def a 60-40. Otherwise a 65-35 on a CP stage. I played some olimars in friendlies and boy they <3 pivot grabs everywhere. But the thing is that I tornado'd alot and couldn't have the right time to grab it, mostly because of mindgames (lol) and the ways it's set up. Otherwise everything else, he can pivot grab so, if a olimar has no luigi experience doesn't know about luigi's godly nair, he can still keep playing as if hes playing someone else, as long he keeps the pivot grab game going. Otherwise, luigi's will catch on and will play ALOT more safe when fastfalling about to hit the ground. Otherwise once I get olimars in the air, they're pretty much done and once their offstage or on the edge, they're done as well.

Alot of the olimars i played played well in terms of koing actually. Most luigis suck on the edge considering olimar's multiple options on pressuring/stage control. If luigis go for a ledgeattack/roll, all olimar has to do is stay out of range ad just run in with a purple upsmash and that's a winner. if luigi goes for a ledgedrop or a ledgejump to nair <- (seems to be most safest option ) then olimar can just do upb or if hes close enough, he can upsmash. But yeah koing will revolve mostly in punishing luigi's floatiness and when he's on the edge.

60-40 for me. the tourney was pretty good

 

[Excellence]

I can firmly say that it's def a 60-40. Otherwise a 65-35 on a CP stage. I played some olimars in friendlies and boy they <3 pivot grabs everywhere. But the thing is that I tornado'd alot and couldn't have the right time to grab it, mostly because of mindgames (lol) and the ways it's set up. Otherwise everything else, he can pivot grab so, if a olimar has no luigi experience doesn't know about luigi's godly nair, he can still keep playing as if hes playing someone else, as long he keeps the pivot grab game going. Otherwise, luigi's will catch on and will play ALOT more safe when fastfalling about to hit the ground. Otherwise once I get olimars in the air, they're pretty much done and once their offstage or on the edge, they're done as well.

Alot of the olimars i played played well in terms of koing actually. Most luigis suck on the edge considering olimar's multiple options on pressuring/stage control. If luigis go for a ledgeattack/roll, all olimar has to do is stay out of range ad just run in with a purple upsmash and that's a winner. if luigi goes for a ledgedrop or a ledgejump to nair <- (seems to be most safest option ) then olimar can just do upb or if hes close enough, he can upsmash. But yeah koing will revolve mostly in punishing luigi's floatiness and when he's on the edge.

60-40 for me. the tourney was pretty good

Olimar's Up Smash trades hits with Luigi's Nair? What are the conditions for the trade? Do I have to let Luigi release his Nair first then Up Smash, or do I have to Up Smash first? What colors work for the trade off?

 

[hippiedude92]

Er I think either me or you misunderstood what I wrote

I meant that, if luigi does a ledgejump to nair (remember its a sex kick so the hitbox stays out longer) I THINK, he will get ***** by upsmash. I don't know, it might have been me just not able to press the button quick enough in comparison to oli's quick upsmash.

Oli just has to stay in a safe distance, then as soon as luigi gets up, he just has to run in quickly and get a upsmash kill. Or at least that's how I got ***** by it in last night's tourney. I find the upsmash purple really strong 0.0. lol.

edit: oh yeah, since a ledgejump to a nair is pretty high, unless the luigi doesn't fastfall it to autocancel, then you just gotta wait for him to finish it since it lasts about 31 frames or so.

 

[DanGR]

All of Luigi's aerials eat though upsmash. You shouldn't be ledgehopping nairs anyways. You should ledgehop a fair and then based on Olimar's movements, you plan your next attack. If they run in for an upsmash, or really anything, then spam the "A" button afterwards because there is absolutely nothing Olimar can do up close against it. If he sits back, he may upb, use a pivotgrab, or an fsmash. Nair eats through fsmash. You can just land on the ground away from the pivotgrab or upb.

 

[Excellence]

It wasn't Hippie, Dabuz said something about Olimar's Up Smash trading hits with Luigi's Nair. There are a few circumstances when I think I may have managed Up Smash against Luigi's NAir, but maybe I hit immediately after the hitbox closed.

 

[Dabuz]

It wasn't Hippie, Dabuz said something about Olimar's Up Smash trading hits with Luigi's Nair. There are a few circumstances when I think I may have managed Up Smash against Luigi's NAir, but maybe I hit immediately after the hitbox closed.

i said nair/fair/dair all go through upsmash, its uselass against luigi's aerials

 

[DtJ Hilt]

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fixed. we use proper grammer in the oli boards.
;D

I have a question for whichever mod sees this. Are we not suppose to create redirecting threads? I've seen a few closed, and a few that werent, and wasnt sure.

 

[hippiedude92]

All of Luigi's aerials eat though upsmash. You shouldn't be ledgehopping nairs anyways. You should ledgehop a fair and then based on Olimar's movements, you plan your next attack. If they run in for an upsmash, or really anything, then spam the "A" button afterwards because there is absolutely nothing Olimar can do up close against it. If he sits back, he may upb, use a pivotgrab, or an fsmash. Nair eats through fsmash. You can just land on the ground away from the pivotgrab or upb.

hm that seems just about right. i guess considering im really inpatient on the edge and the olimar is lighting quick on hyphen upsmashing so meh lol.

oh yeah, can you guys give us like the pages of worth of discussion? or the worthy quotes for the discussion? so we can add it to our own matchup thread, so we don't have to go through it all over again. thanks alot.

 

[Fino]

They decided 95-5 in our favor.... I'm not going to argue if they believe that ^^;


~Fino

 

[Llumys]

I disagree with 95-5. I'd say the best you could give us is 85-15...

 

[Zori]

dabuz ***** so hard they think its 95-5 now >_<

 

[Excellence]

i said nair/fair/dair all go through upsmash, its uselass against luigi's aerials

Awe, you got me really hopeful for nothing.

 

[ToxiCrow]

Lucas Boards are Discussing Olibu

Lucas Boards are Discussing Olibu

Again.

 

[Llumys]

Fresh forward smash at 30% will handle mediocre Olimars.

 

[Dotcom]

In all honesty this matchup is one of the most confusing for me, but I do refrain from saying difficult but I think it's more defuddling than difficlut. It's the moves Luigi's do that confuse me and, when hit with these moves, which ways I should DI or what to do after that leaves me with a question mark face.

Tornado Spam: For once It's not with MK but it's still Annoying. Ok sometimes I'm able to grab it, and sometimes it eats through everything I do. I mostly try to smash at it(mainly f smash) and that sometimes gets eaten, or sometimes it seems like it hits for more damage than it normally would.
Also I am not necessarily sure on which way to DI to ge tout faster, sometimes I DI straight down and it seems i hit the ground and am not able to get hit any more or othertimes I attempt the same thing, and it just keeps me under and I get hit eith everything.

I've also noticed a couple Olimar's i've watched in tourney vs a Luigi get up in the air and try to fight their way down. This is one of the most laughable things I've seen. I personally think trying to do that are just futile attempts out of frustration. Good Luigi's won't miss aerials and nothing we have sans Up and B(you usually have to be at a distance to do this, or if your'e that gutsy go for it) goes through anything they have. Big tip: DON'T FIGHT NAIR. It has lost me matches :/

Now that iv'e been typing for a minute I don't really remember what point I was trying to make in the first place, But take whatever I said with a grain of salt.

 

[hippiedude92]

I understand what you mean dotcom. I fight luigi dittos in a daily basis. It's always confusing where to DI. Luigi's dsmash sends in differents angles of trajectory making it hard to DI.

Luigi's tornado I think is based on how much it moves across the stage. If your DIing left or right, and the torndo is going across of the stage you'll be eating damage across of the stage. On second thought, i have no clue wth i just said. I just try to dI dignaoally up.

Anyways, that's what makes luigi such a odd (good / bad) char. He's weird low traction, insane priority on Nair, hes predictability is what makes him and hurts him.

Oh and luigi's are always best at observing. That's the way they punish their foes and look for openings. Like I said, they'll be following you where ever you DI until they make a mistake

 

[KingKirb]

Luigi's really odd to fight. He's got weird attacks and even weirder hitboxes. All I can say is pivot grab often and remember your combos...

 

[kirbywizard]

all must fear the nair

 

[Xyro77]

I think we should talk about samus:

imo it's 90-10 in our favor....

I say this because I want xyro to come to our boards and challenge us... meaning I will have time with xyro :D


~Fino

well the moment you decide samus is your next objective. ill be here.

 

[asob4]

i played xyro in losers bracket at WCSL
i lost because it was my first time EVER playing a samus

good job to him though

ajax avenged me <333

 

[Xyro77]

i played xyro in losers bracket at WCSL
i lost because it was my first time EVER playing a samus

good job to him though

ajax avenged me <333

OH YEA! i remember you. yea thats the ONE and only perk of being a low tier main, lots and lots of people dont know how to fight us.

 

[A2ZOMG]

We really need frame data. It would help us out a lot.

Search "PIKUMIN & ORIMA" with Ctrl + F

Vs Luigi's N-air...I'm guessing Olimar could try to Up-smash out of shield after it taps his shield.

 

[hippiedude92]

so dunno if this died yet but, shall we go 60-40? 65-35 seems way too beastly since i fought a pivot grab happy olimar =). unless your on a CP stage then pretty much. The only stage i can think of oli excelling is being gay on norfair. otherwise... norfair is gay ;3

 

[asob4]

hmmm sooo 60-40?
i can agree with that
basically pivot grab out the ***?

 

[DanGR]

I personally can't accept anything lower than 65-35 without feeling like I'm misleading the Olimar players that come here for guidance. Unless some more Olis come in here and agree to 60-40, that is. It's really a miserable matchup if the Luigi does it correctly, and I advise every Olimar player to get a secondary for it.

hippiedude92, all you have to do is short hop fair->nair onto the Olimar player's shield and jab afterwards. If they shield, you jab cancel to grab. If they don't, you combo them till they die. If they run backwards and you see it, then let him! He'll get cornered eventually. He can't pivotgrab forever. Just avoid the pivotgrabs and spam that one approach and you'll win every time. The only thing he has to combat against it is standing upb, but if he misses, he'll lag enough for you to fsmash or firepunch him if he's at a high percent or just throw him up into the air at lower percents. Don't edgeuard with bair, but rather fairs and dairs, and then if he whistles, quickly use a nair to punish it. I promise you you'll do very well against Oli if you do those things.

 

[asob4]

well i play ROFL from time to time, we usually go back and forth
luigi isn't tooooo bad you just have to play safer than usual. ya feel?
he's still horrible D:
62-38? lol

 

[Dabuz]

yeah, this match is pretty one-sided, idk how ive even beat the good weegees but yeah, if you up-b, jab, and tilt correctly and learn that you shouldn't try to get the grab much in this match it becomes more manageable though

 

[IcyLight]

**** luigi

 

[|RK|]

You know, I think of you Olimars more like Shikamaru from Naruto. Carefully planning and using your Pikmin strategically. Watching enemy attack patterns whilst camping (or as called in the Lucario boards "Smart Spamming" Use a move repeatedly to see what the opponent does) and making sure you know which Pikmin are coming up in your line and how to make the best out of them. Keep up the good work!


I suppose you can...hey, does anything change about a Pikmin if it's hit by its own element? I mean, I know it negates the attack, but...

 

[DtJ Hilt]

You know, I think of you Olimars more like Shikamaru from Naruto. Carefully planning and using your Pikmin strategically. Watching enemy attack patterns whilst camping (or as called in the Lucario boards "Smart Spamming" Use a move repeatedly to see what the opponent does) and making sure you know which Pikmin are coming up in your line and how to make the best out of them. Keep up the good work!


I suppose you can...hey, does anything change about a Pikmin if it's hit by its own element? I mean, I know it negates the attack, but...

dude, shikamaru was like the only good character in that show lol

 

[hippiedude92]

**** luigi

i know right =[. **** olimar's grab game and my nubiness to counter it lawl

yeah, this match is pretty one-sided, idk how ive even beat the good weegees but yeah, if you up-b, jab, and tilt correctly and learn that you shouldn't try to get the grab much in this match it becomes more manageable though

lol theres the difference of good and bad weegees, the bad who just love predictably spam dair nair (mostly nair) and the good.. just look up boss lol

well i play ROFL from time to time, we usually go back and forth
luigi isn't tooooo bad you just have to play safer than usual. ya feel?
he's still horrible D:
62-38? lol

ROFL is pretty good luigi. Pretty sub par to boss and biglou there.

I personally can't accept anything lower than 65-35 without feeling like I'm misleading the Olimar players that come here for guidance. Unless some more Olis come in here and agree to 60-40, that is. It's really a miserable matchup if the Luigi does it correctly, and I advise every Olimar player to get a secondary for it.

hippiedude92, all you have to do is short hop fair->nair onto the Olimar player's shield and jab afterwards. If they shield, you jab cancel to grab. If they don't, you combo them till they die. If they run backwards and you see it, then let him! He'll get cornered eventually. He can't pivotgrab forever. Just avoid the pivotgrabs and spam that one approach and you'll win every time. The only thing he has to combat against it is standing upb, but if he misses, he'll lag enough for you to fsmash or firepunch him if he's at a high percent or just throw him up into the air at lower percents. Don't edgeuard with bair, but rather fairs and dairs, and then if he whistles, quickly use a nair to punish it. I promise you you'll do very well against Oli if you do those things.

Wow, I didn't think of that, that they'll be cornered eventually Never thought of that at all. If i do these things, then maybe it won't feel like a 65-35 in oli's favor with me getting pivot grab everywhere lmao. But yeah, i never thought of that thanks alot. Hm, 60-40 does sound fine though,just surprised that wigi is one of his worst matchups (out of all ppl lol.). If anything, or if your grab spam happy, pick up d3 as a secondary

 

[asob4]

ROFL is pretty good luigi. Pretty sub par to boss and biglou there.

if he actually played brawl he would be better :o
but gettin 25th out of 303 for someone who doesn't play brawl is pretty good

<333 ROFL

 

[hippiedude92]

that's pretty much respectable in my book LMAO. i forgot he was SoCal WC actually. Ultra luigi and ROFL pretty much covers WC... :3

 

[DtJ Hilt]

i had a chance to face Themann awhile back, but we never got around to our mm... >.> owell

the only luigi i face on a regular basis is cr4sh.

 

[Dabuz]

yeah, ive faced biglou and jbandrew so i would say ive fought the "good ones" enough to know how it goes, another note is olimar, sorta like in wario matchup has to be moving and jumping alot in this match to not get cornered and owned from shielding, you will probably be using alot of fair and upair in this matchup mainly besides the tilts

 

[asob4]

that's pretty much respectable in my book LMAO. i forgot he was SoCal WC actually. Ultra luigi and ROFL pretty much covers WC... :3

palmdale all day son :D
he doesn't play much anymore though
he plays melee and brawl doubles only

 

[hippiedude92]

you got any vids of a olimar getting punished from a pivot grab or/when he gets cornered? i really can't imagine it honestly loll. doesnt have to be a luigi vs oli vid btw

 

[Dyyne]

Projectiles are a good way to beat the pivot grab I would think. If you see him going to pivot grab, try sh fireballing to fake him out. Just an idea, might be pretty good.