The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

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This thread is for talking about the Leak, not talking about DLC. Get back on topic everyone.

 

[Deleted member]

If the leak is correct, that puts us at 12 newcomers. I wouldn't bet on getting many, if any, more than that, since Sakurai's made multiple statements about fewer newcomers / less focus on character count / etc. In fact, ignoring the leak, I'd personally expect less than 12. Seeing another newcomer reveal that isn't one of Sal's characters would definitely be a strike against him.

I'm of the mindset that leaks are false until proven true, rather than the other way around, so I've been extremely sceptical about this one. On one hand, it's been sketchy in its delivery, and missed a pretty noteworthy character (Rosalina). On the other hand, though, it's nailed five out of six confirmed newcomers... granted several were obvious picks. And several of the characters in the second half of the leak are also obvious picks. There's room for a lot of uncertainty here, so hopefully upcoming reveals will start to clear things up.

Of course, there's always the possibility that only some of the information in the leak is true and legitimate. I'm pretty sure that happened with the Pokemon X and Y leaks - some very specific info turned out to be true, while other pieces of info (within the same leaks) were bogus. Could Sal have possibly tossed in some of his personal guesses along with WFT/Villager/Mega Man? It just seems feasible to me, is all.

I'd say that we'll get at least one more. Mewtwo has already been hinted along with possibly a retro newcomer and if both get in, that brings us up to fourteen newcomers (although to be fair, this is more for the speculation section). Also, keep in mind that Sal Romano never said that this was the whole newcomer list, just the ones he knew was in.

 

[Shroob]

So... except for debating in circles about the validity of this leak... There's really not much to talk about, is there? Unless we get another leak around E3, we're running in circles talking about the same information... Man E3 can't come soon enough.

 

[Noiblade]

Spoiler

I know it's off topic but does anyone wanna set up a chat room where we can all hang out til some new info comes to light?

 

[praline]

I'd say that we'll get at least one more. Mewtwo has already been hinted along with possibly a retro newcomer and if both get in, that brings us up to fourteen newcomers (although to be fair, this is more for the speculation section). Also, keep in mind that Sal Romano never said that this was the whole newcomer list, just the ones he knew was in.

Mewtwo wouldn't be a newcomer though.

 

[Retroend]

I'd say that we'll get at least one more. Mewtwo has already been hinted along with possibly a retro newcomer and if both get in, that brings us up to fourteen newcomers (although to be fair, this is more for the speculation section). Also, keep in mind that Sal Romano never said that this was the whole newcomer list, just the ones he knew was in.

didnt the Sal say in the leak that the number was 48, but also said it was possible that that might have not been the final number of characters? more or less it could be more than 48, but not by much.

 

[Deleted member]

Mewtwo wouldn't be a newcomer though.

But he would be an addition.

didnt the Sal say in the leak that the number was 48, but also said it was possible that that might have not been the final number of characters? more or less it could be more than 48, but not by much.

No, that was the RosalinaX leak, which is not related to the Sal Romano leak.

 

[Louie G.]

This is a more roster-based post, but it does relate to the leak so I'll put it out there.

If the roster is as low on cuts as everyone believes, we should probably get most of the Brawl roster back. Subtracting Squirtle and Ivysaur, that's 37 characters. Cut Snake for 36.

We have 6 newcomers so far, 5 of which were brought up by Sal. So that's 6 newcomers plus the Brawl roster, giving us 42 characters in this scenario. If you add on the other characters from Sal leak #1 and #2, that's a roster of 49 characters.

So that seems like a fair number, but I can't help but feel that the roster will be slightly larger than that, just because of transformations not returning, which gives us more opportunities for "slots". So if we add Mewtwo and/or K. Rool, we have 51 characters. I would add or subtract one to get a solid 50/52 character roster.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

This is a more roster-based post, but it does relate to the leak so I'll put it out there.

If the roster is as low on cuts as everyone believes, we should probably get most of the Brawl roster back. Subtracting Squirtle and Ivysaur, that's 37 characters. Cut Snake for 36.

We have 6 newcomers so far, 5 of which were brought up by Sal. So that's 6 newcomers plus the Brawl roster, giving us 42 characters in this scenario. If you add on the other characters from Sal leak #1 and #2, that's a roster of 49 characters.

So that seems like a fair number, but I can't help but feel that the roster will be slightly larger than that, just because of transformations not returning, which gives us more opportunities for "slots". So if we add Mewtwo and/or K. Rool, we have 51 characters. I would add or subtract one to get a solid 50/52 character roster.

You also have to add in the concept that it's entirely possible for other characters to get cut, and for K.Rool to actually not make it into the game.

Mind you, we already have 3 probable cuts. So if you take Squirtle, Ivysaur, Snake and then one of Wolf or Ike, and keep K.Rool out of the picture but add Mewtwo, you have a roster of 48...which mysteriously matches RosalinaX and his info.

Considering Mewtwo was hinted at, it should at the very least be approached as a rather good possibility that he's in. K.Rool is no guarantee, and it makes sense for at least Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake to be cut at the very least. It could actually make perfect sense for the RosalinaX leak to match Sal.

But that's just speculation of course.

 

[Louie G.]

I agree, it is very possible that K. Rool doesn't make the cut, and that we do match up with RosalinaX's leak.
However, I think that there are enough factors to support the addition of a 3rd DK rep. The series has grown tremendously between Brawl and Smash 4, and such an important series like DK shouldn't have the same number of characters as Mother or Fire Emblem. It's insulting, in all honesty.

I think that even though Sal didn't mention Mewtwo, and we will likely get Jigglypuff back, it can be assumed that Mewtwo makes it in anyway. I see no reason why Sakurai would simply say "we're thinking about it" and not include the character whatsoever.

 

[papagenos]

I'd say that we'll get at least one more. Mewtwo has already been hinted along with possibly a retro newcomer and if both get in, that brings us up to fourteen newcomers (although to be fair, this is more for the speculation section). Also, keep in mind that Sal Romano never said that this was the whole newcomer list, just the ones he knew was in.

You also have to add in the concept that it's entirely possible for other characters to get cut, and for K.Rool to actually not make it into the game.

Mind you, we already have 3 probable cuts. So if you take Squirtle, Ivysaur, Snake and then one of Wolf or Ike, and keep K.Rool out of the picture but add Mewtwo, you have a roster of 48...which mysteriously matches RosalinaX and his info.

Considering Mewtwo was hinted at, it should at the very least be approached as a rather good possibility that he's in. K.Rool is no guarantee, and it makes sense for at least Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake to be cut at the very least. It could actually make perfect sense for the RosalinaX leak to match Sal.

But that's just speculation of course.

When was mewtwo (and a retro) hinted at? sorry not trying to get off topic from the Sal leak but now that there is no "leak" thread new "hinted at/leaked" info seems to get past me

 

[Deleted member]

*sigh* Hate to be "that guy", but this thread needs someone seeing the situation from another point of view.
First, let me say some important things, it's impossible to say the leak is fake, but there is also no way to say it's true, let's start:
-The original post wasn't mentioning a "leak" and instead a "prediction", both of them are completely different things
-No mention of Rosalina, other "leaks" were labelled as fakes when they missed a char
-The "prediction" also stated that they were going to be revealed at E3, and only 3/6 were revealed
-All of the confirmed newcomers(except WFT) are safe bets, Pac-Man, Mii, Shulk, Palutena and Chrom also are safe bets.
-"Pokemon from X and Y", the 2nd part was posted some hours before the Direct, it's impossible that they were still deciding which one was going to be, not specifing Greninja is the most damaging thing to the "leak"
-The fact that Choir Boys are one-shot chars of a yet to be represented franchise with more relevant chars, it's like having Alfonzo over Link
While the only thing that supports this "leak" yet is WFT, until Choir Boys are confirmed, I'm not buying this, currently waiting for one of those be deconfirmed so this can stop

 

[Cereal Bawks]

Is Shulk really that safe of a bet, though? I get the feeling he isn't as popular as any of the other safe characters.

 

[Opossum]

*sigh* Hate to be "that guy", but this thread needs someone seeing the situation from another point of view.
First, let me say some important things, it's impossible to say the leak is fake, but there is also no way to say it's true, let's start:
-The original post wasn't mentioning a "leak" and instead a "prediction", both of them are completely different things
-No mention of Rosalina, other "leaks" were labelled as fakes when they missed a char
-The "prediction" also stated that they were going to be revealed at E3, and only 3/6 were revealed
-All of the confirmed newcomers(except WFT) are safe bets, Pac-Man, Mii, Shulk, Palutena and Chrom also are safe bets.
-"Pokemon from X and Y", the 2nd part was posted some hours before the Direct, it's impossible that they were still deciding which one was going to be, not specifing Greninja is the most damaging thing to the "leak"
-The fact that Choir Boys are one-shot chars of a yet to be represented franchise with more relevant chars, it's like having Alfonzo over Link
While the only thing that supports this "leak" yet is WFT, until Choir Boys are confirmed, I'm not buying this, currently waiting for one of those be deconfirmed so this can stop

The bolded is why people believe it. You don't just "guess" Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

-The original post wasn't mentioning a "leak" and instead a "prediction", both of them are completely different things

Sal posted it as a prediction because he wasn't sure if he could trust his source yet.

-The fact that Choir Boys are one-shot chars of a yet to be represented franchise with more relevant chars, it's like having Alfonzo over Link

People keep saying that Rhythm Heaven has more relevant characters, but I knew who the Chorus Kids were, while having no idea who Marshal or the Wrestler were.

 

[Deleted member]

Is Shulk really that safe of a bet, though? I get the feeling he isn't as popular as any of the other safe characters.

He is popular indeed, Xenoblades is a new IP and is also getting a sequel

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The bolded is why people believe it. You don't just "guess" Wii Fit Trainer.

Villager is one thing, but Wii Fit Trainer? It's really hard to believe as a guess. Not completely impossible, but... yeah.

Albeit, if we find out this leak was fake, well... fair enough.

 

[Autumn ♫]

The bolded is why people believe it. You don't just "guess" Wii Fit Trainer.

I can see it being possible. Especially with how large Wii Fit is, and if you look at both of his leaks, he has one random character surrounded by a bunch of safe characters, so if one wanted to choose a WTF character that would sort of make sense, WFT is a prime candidate.

 

[Deleted member]

Sal posted it as a prediction because he wasn't sure if he could trust his source yet.



People keep saying that Rhythm Heaven has more relevant characters, but I knew who the Chorus Kids were, while having no idea who Marshal or the Wrestler were.

He said that only after E3, I could make a prediction and after the confirmation I would say it was a leak

 

[Opossum]

I can see it being possible. Especially with how large Wii Fit is, and if you look at both of his leaks, he has one random character surrounded by a bunch of safe characters, so if one wanted to choose a WTF character that would sort of make sense, WFT is a prime candidate.

It really doesn't make sense. That character was never brought up, minus one five-year-old Gamefaqs joke thread. Putting WTF on the list, as well as Mega Man and Villager, to boot, wasn't a guess. He knew something.

There's no way it was a guess, logically.

 

[Deleted member]

It really doesn't make sense. That character was never brought up, minus one five-year-old Gamefaqs joke thread. Putting WTF on the list, as well as Mega Man and Villager, to boot, wasn't a guess. He knew something.

There's no way it was a guess, logically.

The problem is that it's hard to deconfirm those joke chars, since they are either playable or don't appear at all

 

[Opossum]

The problem is that it's hard to deconfirm those joke chars, since they are either playable or don't appear at all

I think you may have missed my point. He predicted Wii Fit Trainer. She got confirmed. That doesn't happen by luck or accident...Sal had insider information.

 

[Deleted member]

I think you may have missed my point. He predicted Wii Fit Trainer. She got confirmed. That doesn't happen by luck or accident...Sal had insider information.

Indeed, he predicted, for example, I called a Pokemon from X and Y when the Prism Tower was revealed, am I a leaker now?

 

[Cereal Bawks]

He is popular indeed, Xenoblades is a new IP and is also getting a sequel

Actually yeah, that was a stupid question. The fact that there was a petition for his game to come to NA should say how popular he is.

 

[Opossum]

Indeed, he predicted, for example, I called a Pokemon from X and Y when the Prism Tower was revealed, am I a leaker now?

I don't think you're comprehending how out of the blue WFT was. She made an X and Y Pokemon look as likely as Mega Man.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

*sigh* Hate to be "that guy", but this thread needs someone seeing the situation from another point of view.
First, let me say some important things, it's impossible to say the leak is fake, but there is also no way to say it's true, let's start:
-The original post wasn't mentioning a "leak" and instead a "prediction", both of them are completely different things
-No mention of Rosalina, other "leaks" were labelled as fakes when they missed a char
-The "prediction" also stated that they were going to be revealed at E3, and only 3/6 were revealed
-All of the confirmed newcomers(except WFT) are safe bets, Pac-Man, Mii, Shulk, Palutena and Chrom also are safe bets.
-"Pokemon from X and Y", the 2nd part was posted some hours before the Direct, it's impossible that they were still deciding which one was going to be, not specifing Greninja is the most damaging thing to the "leak"
-The fact that Choir Boys are one-shot chars of a yet to be represented franchise with more relevant chars, it's like having Alfonzo over Link
While the only thing that supports this "leak" yet is WFT, until Choir Boys are confirmed, I'm not buying this, currently waiting for one of those be deconfirmed so this can stop

I'll reply using numbers per each point:

1) Sal came out and said he posted that as a prediction after receiving the info from his source. He admitted that it in the article
2) Rosalina is technically irrelevant. The first leak was E3, the second was Newcomers we haven't seen, nor was it labelled as the list of ALL newcomers
3) Plans change. That's not that damaging
4) This shouldn't be a big deal at all. Are you expecting the entire roster to be off the wall choices? If not, then those characters being safe bets is meaningless. Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Chorus Men are crazy enough
5) The second email that Sal received, which he revealed to us before the Direct, was sent to him awhile back. It's likely that there was no Pokemon Newcomer decided upon because popularity wasn't gauged until then, thus Greninja was chosen.
6) Uh...Shulk is a one shot too. It would have to apply to both him and the Chorus Men. This doesn't hurt their chances anyway. Roy? Ike? They were both one shot characters at the time of their inclusion. It's irrelevant.

Plus I have that giant post from a few pages back in here that no one has replied to.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Plus I have that giant post from a few pages back in here that no one has replied to.

Can we add this to the OP.

 

[Cereal Bawks]

6) Uh...Shulk is a one shot too. It would have to apply to both him and the Chorus Men. This doesn't hurt their chances anyway. Roy? Ike? They were both one shot characters at the time of their inclusion. It's irrelevant.

Not to mention Roy didn't even have a game when Melee was out.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ike was in Radiant Dawn(Wii) and the Path of Radiance(GameCube) before Brawl. So he's not really a one-shot.

Ice Climbers is actually a better example of what you mean. Roy wasn't a one-shot, he didn't exist till Melee officially. It's his first game.

But his point stands; Being a one-shot doesn't mean anything. Ganondorf was the same when he was added in Melee, and let's not forget Sheik. She barely had a second appearance outside of SSB/OOT, with a variation in Scribblenauts.

 

[Deleted member]

I'll reply using numbers per each point:

1) Sal came out and said he posted that as a prediction after receiving the info from his source. He admitted that it in the article
2) Rosalina is technically irrelevant. The first leak was E3, the second was Newcomers we haven't seen, nor was it labelled as the list of ALL newcomers
3) Plans change. That's not that damaging
4) This shouldn't be a big deal at all. Are you expecting the entire roster to be off the wall choices? If not, then those characters being safe bets is meaningless. Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Chorus Men are crazy enough
5) The second email that Sal received, which he revealed to us before the Direct, was sent to him awhile back. It's likely that there was no Pokemon Newcomer decided upon because popularity wasn't gauged until then, thus Greninja was chosen.
6) Uh...Shulk is a one shot too. It would have to apply to both him and the Chorus Men. This doesn't hurt their chances anyway. Roy? Ike? They were both one shot characters at the time of their inclusion. It's irrelevant.

Plus I have that giant post from a few pages back in here that no one has replied to.

1- This doesn't prove it was indeed a leak, for example, I called a Gen 6 Pokemon, I'm now a leaker, several people called Little Mac, they are all leakers if they say so
2-oh, OK, beat me up on that
3-Not one day before it
4-Putting a safe bet on a "leak" doesn't help it since a lot of people already expect them
5-There is no proof to support that
6-Shulk is the main protagonist, Choir Boys are minor chars on a franchise that has recurring chars

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

1- This doesn't prove it was indeed a leak, for example, I called a Gen 6 Pokemon, I'm now a leaker, several people called Little Mac, they are all leakers if they say so
2-oh, OK, beat me up on that
3-Not one day before it
4-Putting a safe bet on a "leak" doesn't help it since a lot of people already expect them
5-There is no proof to support that
6-Shulk is the main protagonist, Choir Boys are minor chars on a franchise that has recurring chars

Sal told us he received the email awhile before that. He's a credible user. That's as good as you're going to get.

As far as #3, that's not what I'm saying. The information the informant received could possibly be outdated, as a Pokemon from X/Y was planned from the beginning, but only decided upon specifically after Sal received his email. It's entirely plausible. I listed why in my post on page 9.

As far as #4, it's still irrelevant. It isn't something that hurts it either.

Speculating =/= getting information from a separate source. Sal isn't some random guy. He's leaked legitimate information on other games before.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

One-shots have been Ness, Lucas, Sheik, Ganondorf, Ice Climbers, and technically Roy.

New one-shots would be Shulk, Chrom, and Chorus Kids.

 

[Arcanir]

5) The second email that Sal received, which he revealed to us before the Direct, was sent to him awhile back. It's likely that there was no Pokemon Newcomer decided upon because popularity wasn't gauged until then, thus Greninja was chosen.
.

Sorry for being nitpicky here, but the article here states that he got the email on April 8th before the direct. Did he say otherwise in another post?

 

[MargnetMan23]

One-shots have been Ness, Lucas, Sheik, Ganondorf, Ice Climbers, and technically Roy.

New one-shots would be Shulk, Chrom, and Chorus Kids.

Wait... How would Ganondorf be a one-shot?

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Wait... How would Ganondorf be a one-shot?

Because in 2001, when Melee came out, he had only appeared (as Ganondorf) in OoT.

In Brawl, he is obviously not a one-shot anymore.

 

[Deleted member]

One-shots have been Ness, Lucas, Sheik, Ganondorf, Ice Climbers, and technically Roy.

New one-shots would be Shulk, Chrom, and Chorus Kids.

My point is not that one-shots can't get in, it's that one-shots can't get in over the main chars, imagine if Roy got over Marth, it wouldn't make sense, the series has recurring and more important chars than the Choir Boys, it's how people thought that Tom Nook was going to represent the AC series

 

[MargnetMan23]

Because in 2001, when Melee came out, he had only appeared (as Ganondorf) in OoT.

In Brawl, he is obviously not a one-shot anymore.

Well, going by that logic wouldn't characters like Pit and Lucario count as one-shot characters?

EDIT: wait never mind, Pit doesn't count.

 

[Luigi#1]

A guy says it is posible that it's fake. Not even believing it, but, just saying it's a ****ing possibility. Get's shot down.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

Why do we keep calling Ganondorf a one-shot? Good lord. It was, at the time, a new form of a character who existed since the very first game. That's not a one-shot.

Some of the one-shots here are also justifiable. Shiek was added primarily, I think, to enhance Zelda's moveset in a time where many of her moves would've been made up on the spot. It was the first transformation character in the series.

Pit does not count as a one-shot due to having multiple entries in his series prior to Smash.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Why do we keep calling Ganondorf a one-shot? Good lord. It was, at the time, a new form of a character who existed since the very first game. That's not a one-shot.

Some of the one-shots here are also justifiable. Shiek was added primarily, I think, to enhance Zelda's moveset in a time where many of her moves would've been made up on the spot. It was the first transformation character in the series.

Pit does not count as a one-shot due to having multiple entries in his series prior to Smash.

Sorry, I didn't have my facts right about Pit but whatever.