The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Vintage Creep]

No, I read the mod's post on discussing characters and decided to delete it.

I will say ONE last thing, at the risk of a warning. Mii might've been a good choice if WFT was not already here.

There is absolutely no relation between the two things.
It's like saying Pac-Man would be a good choice if Mega Man wasn't already there.

 

[Noiblade]

I know we can't use this thread to contact Sal, but I really do wish someone would ask and get a screenshot of the email he received regarding the leaks. Or even if he copied and pasted what the exactly the leaker said.

 

[PKBeam]

There is absolutely no relation between the two things.
It's like saying Pac-Man would be a good choice if Mega Man wasn't already there.

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Back on topic

I know we can't use this thread to contact Sal, but I really do wish someone would ask and get a screenshot of the email he received regarding the leaks. Or even if he copied and pasted what the exactly the leaker said.

He might put it up himself, I'm sure he knows that's what a lot of people would want. If he doesnt want to I doubt anyone could convince him.

 

[Vintage Creep]

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What kind of answer is that. What do you even mean.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Dillon deconfirmed. Gematsu leak now 0.1% more likely.

 

[Noiblade]

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Back on topic

He might put it up himself, I'm sure he knows that's what a lot of people would want. If he doesnt want to I doubt anyone could convince him.

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I e-mailed him doubt i'll get a response but I can hope

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Back on topic, let's not forget the Leak can't be proven or dis-proven so i'd like to remind everyone that you don't know if this is real or not. You all know as much as everyone else.

 

[PKBeam]

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I e-mailed him doubt i'll get a response but I can hope

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Back on topic, let's not forget the Leak can't be proven or dis-proven so i'd like to remind everyone that you don't know if this is real or not. You all know as much as everyone else.

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He may or may not choose to put it up himself but I doubt he will be swayed by anyone.

 

[Luigi#1]

But the leak is going to be either of those things, wrong or right. I promise he isn't going to leak a third leak and say "lol my bad, I meant Black Shadow, not Chorus Men". It's going to be correct, or not correct. 100% either way.

Also, the leak is probably real, so get used to it. Just like people should get used to the fact that Snake/Ivysaur/Squirtle probably won't return.

Yes, it is going to be one of those 2.
But we can't really determine yet. If Palutena Shulk and Pacman/Mii are all revealed together, I might think it's true by then.
There isn't any real way to tell yet.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

I'm actually amazed at how difficult it is to make a determination about this leak, considering how long it's been around.
I'd be surprised if there were many more newcomers than this leak details; the next reveal, whatever it may be, is going to impact heavily on it's legitimacy.

 

[papagenos]

I'm actually amazed at how difficult it is to make a determination about this leak, considering how long it's been around.
I'd be surprised if there were many more newcomers than this leak details; the next reveal, whatever it may be, is going to impact heavily on it's legitimacy.

imo the leak is most likely real, BUT i think there might be a newcomer or 2 left that we dont know about. i feel like either palutena or possible chrom will be the next newcomer reveal...unless none are revealed before E3 in which case i feel like pacman and mii will HAVE to be revealed there... and possibly either palutena / chrom / or shulk as well.

if some newcomer thats NOT in the leak gets revealed first though ( ghirahim/isaac/tingle/ridley/takamaru/k rool/?mewtwo? etc..), even if this leak is totally true, it would just ruin everyones belief in it...

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

imo the leak is most likely real, BUT i think there might be a newcomer or 2 left that we dont know about. i feel like either palutena or possible chrom will be the next newcomer reveal...unless none are revealed before E3 in which case i feel like pacman and mii will HAVE to be revealed there... and possibly either palutena / chrom / or shulk as well.

if some newcomer thats NOT in the leak gets revealed first though ( ghirahim/isaac/tingle/ridley/takamaru/k rool/?mewtwo? etc..), even if this leak is totally true, it would just ruin everyones belief in it...

Yeah, maybe one or two. This leak already puts us up near 50 characters; I really can't see us getting more than that. I'd be surprised if it was that many. 45 feels like a more realistic number.

 

[papagenos]

Yeah, maybe one or two. This leak already puts us up near 50 characters; I really can't see us getting more than that. I'd be surprised if it was that many. 45 feels like a more realistic number.

im sticking with the 48/4 cuts mariokart 8 leak...just because it feels likely to me for some reason, no solid evidence really.

and that would leave us with a spot open, also rosalina shows the leaker doesnt always know every character, and i have this theory about "mii" being a button next to a random button and being a big part of the customizability gimmick and not "counting" as a spot...

maybe im just being optimistic but whenever i lay out the sal leak and attempt to make a final roster i find myself with an extra newcomer or 2...

IF the roster is just the sal leak with most of brawl returning i can live with that, but im still holding out hope for a bit more.

 

[KenboCalrissian]

Yeah, maybe one or two. This leak already puts us up near 50 characters; I really can't see us getting more than that. I'd be surprised if it was that many. 45 feels like a more realistic number.

I may not have had an account back then, but I remember lurking back in the days of Brawl speculation, and most people thought we were getting significantly more characters than we actually did.

Manage your expectations, people. I really wouldn't expect too many more new characters than what's in the leak now. The magic '48' we've been tossing around feels right, but historically Ninty's been more conservative than that. I'd expect 45 at the high end, but I say that hoping I'm wrong and there's a few more.

If this leak is accurate, and we're also right that Ridley's tease means he's playable, then that would mean more veteran cuts. That's only if the last leg of this release cycle ends like the last game, but I don't think it will. It really seems like they've been paying attention.

This makes me really want a veteran leak more than a new character leak. Just bring back Mewtwo and R.O.B. and I'll be happy!

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I feel like if Rosalina & Luma didn't put this leak to bed in most people's eyes, then an Isaac, K Rool or Takamaru reveal won't either.

Especially if Miis and Pacman appeared alongside them at E3.

 

[Richard Nixon]

If the leak is correct, that puts us at 12 newcomers. I wouldn't bet on getting many, if any, more than that, since Sakurai's made multiple statements about fewer newcomers / less focus on character count / etc. In fact, ignoring the leak, I'd personally expect less than 12. Seeing another newcomer reveal that isn't one of Sal's characters would definitely be a strike against him.

I'm of the mindset that leaks are false until proven true, rather than the other way around, so I've been extremely sceptical about this one. On one hand, it's been sketchy in its delivery, and missed a pretty noteworthy character (Rosalina). On the other hand, though, it's nailed five out of six confirmed newcomers... granted several were obvious picks. And several of the characters in the second half of the leak are also obvious picks. There's room for a lot of uncertainty here, so hopefully upcoming reveals will start to clear things up.

Of course, there's always the possibility that only some of the information in the leak is true and legitimate. I'm pretty sure that happened with the Pokemon X and Y leaks - some very specific info turned out to be true, while other pieces of info (within the same leaks) were bogus. Could Sal have possibly tossed in some of his personal guesses along with WFT/Villager/Mega Man? It just seems feasible to me, is all.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If the leak is correct, that puts us at 12 newcomers. I wouldn't bet on getting many, if any, more than that, since Sakurai's made multiple statements about fewer newcomers / less focus on character count / etc. In fact, ignoring the leak, I'd personally expect less than 12. Seeing another newcomer reveal that isn't one of Sal's characters would definitely be a strike against him.

I'm of the mindset that leaks are false until proven true, rather than the other way around, so I've been extremely sceptical about this one. On one hand, it's been sketchy in its delivery, and missed a pretty noteworthy character (Rosalina). On the other hand, though, it's nailed five out of six confirmed newcomers... granted several were obvious picks. And several of the characters in the second half of the leak are also obvious picks. There's room for a lot of uncertainty here, so hopefully upcoming reveals will start to clear things up.

Of course, there's always the possibility that only some of the information in the leak is true and legitimate. I'm pretty sure that happened with the Pokemon X and Y leaks - some very specific info turned out to be true, while other pieces of info (within the same leaks) were bogus. Could Sal have possibly tossed in some of his personal guesses along with WFT/Villager/Mega Man? It just seems feasible to me, is all.

So no reviving retro at all? I don't think this is all we will get.

 

[Wolfie557]

imo the leak is most likely real, BUT i think there might be a newcomer or 2 left that we dont know about. i feel like either palutena or possible chrom will be the next newcomer reveal...unless none are revealed before E3 in which case i feel like pacman and mii will HAVE to be revealed there... and possibly either palutena / chrom / or shulk as well.

if some newcomer thats NOT in the leak gets revealed first though ( ghirahim/isaac/tingle/ridley/takamaru/k rool/?mewtwo? etc..), even if this leak is totally true, it would just ruin everyones belief in it...

I think there will be 3-4 newcomers at e3 actually pacman and mii np doubt probably.

if ridley really is in (50/50 at the moment) then him too.

the 3/4th place would hopefully be palutena but chrom is also likely for that spot.
(I just don't want palutena to be a secret.)

 

[Richard Nixon]

So no reviving retro at all? I don't think this is all we will get.

There's still room for a retro with only 12 newcomers, if the leak is false.

 

[Pazzo.]

@ Noiblade

Your avatar is PERFECT.

I'm actually amazed at how difficult it is to make a determination about this leak, considering how long it's been around.
I'd be surprised if there were many more newcomers than this leak details; the next reveal, whatever it may be, is going to impact heavily on it's legitimacy.

You're right, just by the laws of logic.

Limited amount of Characters in SSB4 - Limited Amount of Character in Sal's Leak.

 

[Wolfie557]

@ Noiblade

Your avatar is PERFECT.



You're right, just by the laws of logic.

Limited amount of Characters in SSB4 - Limited Amount of Character in Sal's Leak.

it will definitely be at least 45 characters.
though Im leaning to the side of 50 so I belive he hasn't told us all yet..........or at least hasn't predicted all yet;.

 

[Pazzo.]

it will definitely be at least 45 characters.
though Im leaning to the side of 50 so I belive he hasn't told us all yet..........or at least hasn't predicted all yet;.

Now you're using your noodle.

 

[Stompman]

I think what people need to realize is that the leak does not say "the remaining newcomers are," it says "here are some newcomers." A character reveal not from the Sal list does not deco firm Sal, only a deconfirmation of one of his characters does this.

 

[Pazzo.]

You could say that I'm not Pro-Sal, or Anti-Sal, There's just not enough evidence to justify either position IMO.

 

[HermitHelmet]

I'm going to be that guy and say that Rosalina wasn't predicted before E3 and is the only Newcomer that hadn't had the prediction that all the others did up until the most recent Direct.

 

[Wolfie557]

I'm going to be that guy and say that Rosalina wasn't predicted before E3 and is the only Newcomer that hadn't had the prediction that all the others did up until the most recent Direct.

well lol

(I tottaly called her though.......for December. totally!. Surpsised sal didn't say anything - I don't think he even knew it was possibility for a newcomer at such time.)

 

[HermitHelmet]

well lol

(I tottaly called her though.......for December. totally!. Surpsised sal didn't say anything - I don't think he even knew it was possibility for a newcomer at such time.)

Yeah. It's odd he didn't predict Rosa, but he predicted reveals before and after her own. So She couldn't have been a last minute decision.

 

[Darkfur]

There's still room for a retro with only 12 newcomers, if the leak is false.

You should totally bug Sakurai's office. I'm sure we could get some prime info about the validity of this leak that way. ;P

 

[Noiblade]

@ Noiblade

Your avatar is PERFECT.



You're right, just by the laws of logic.

Limited amount of Characters in SSB4 - Limited Amount of Character in Sal's Leak.

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Thank you made it myself.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I have a feeling that regardless of whenever or not Mewtwo is playable in this game, we are probably not going to see Mewtwo in a leaked planned document. Sakurai sees Mewtwo as a veteran and as such, will probably treat him differently from the rest. In other words, we'll likely be guessing on Mewtwo's fate until release even if we learn of all the newcomers before release.

Personally thinking, I feel Mewtwo is most likely going to be revealed at E3.

Anyways, as for the leak, long story short, everyone else except for the Chorus Men are easily believable even without, or regardless, of the leak. Even though I'm not that big of a fan of them, considering I'm starting to get tired of "curveball" newcomer characters and they kinda look plain, I won't declare the second leak automatically false unless they end up disconfirmed in some form or another..

 

[Noiblade]

I just thought of something.
So we know how The leaker chooses to leak before events(E3,Smash direct ect.) So with that in mind what if the leaker knows all the characters but doesn't know when they're going to be revealed?
For example the leaker leaked the characters that were(at the point where he got his info) being considered for E3, and not final decisions. That's why we didn't get Rosalina, because she wasn't being considered for E3.

Then the second leak comes around and he gives a list of characters that were being considered being shown at the E3 direct. And we got just what he said, a Pokemon from X&Y

This is the only conclusion I can think of that actually makes sense.

TL;DR: Leaker chooses to leak characters that are considered for being revealed at events.

EDIT:woops sorry for the double post, I just woke up.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I just thought of something.
So we know how The leaker chooses to leak before events(E3,Smash direct ect.) So with that in mind what if the leaker knows all the characters but doesn't know when they're going to be revealed?
For example the leaker leaked the characters that were(at the point where he got his info) being considered for E3, and not final decisions. That's why we didn't get Rosalina, because she wasn't being considered for E3.

Then the second leak comes around and he gives a list of characters that were being considered being shown at the E3 direct. And we got just what he said, a Pokemon from X&Y

This is the only conclusion I can think of that actually makes sense.

TL;DR: Leaker chooses to leak characters that are considered for being revealed at events.

Interesting theory, though I don't put much stock in it.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

If the leak is correct, that puts us at 12 newcomers. I wouldn't bet on getting many, if any, more than that, since Sakurai's made multiple statements about fewer newcomers / less focus on character count / etc. In fact, ignoring the leak, I'd personally expect less than 12.

I honestly don't take much stock in what Sakurai says there, 'cause Sakurai first says this:

In terms of quantity, we’ve probably already reached the limit of what’s feasible. I think a change of direction may be what’s needed.

Which a lot of people translated into Sakurai saying 'Okay, so the roster's not going to have a ton of newcomers.'

But then Sakurai comes back and says this:

So we're forced into the situation where we may need to reduce some characters to a certain degree, but we're really working hard in order to include as many characters as possible.

How does this all tie into the Sal Romano/Gematsu leak? In that it supports the idea of MORE newcomers instead of less newcomers, which in turn continues to add validity to the leak. It would certainly explain why Rosalina wasn't in the original leaks. Doesn't mean I necessarily believe the leaks, but this sort of lack of clarity on an important issue only keeps things in limbo.

Sources:

http://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-change-of-direction-may-be-needed-for-next-smash-bros/

http://kotaku.com/dont-expect-a-lot-of-third-party-characters-in-the-nex-513203533

 

[Noiblade]

I honestly don't take much stock in what Sakurai says there, 'cause Sakurai first says this:



Which a lot of people translated into Sakurai saying 'Okay, so the roster's not going to have a ton of newcomers.'

But then Sakurai comes back and says this:



How does this all tie into the Sal Romano/Gematsu leak? In that it supports the idea of MORE newcomers instead of less newcomers, which in turn continues to add validity to the leak. It would certainly explain why Rosalina wasn't in the original leaks. Doesn't mean I necessarily believe the leaks, but this sort of lack of clarity on an important issue only keeps things in limbo.

Sources:

http://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-change-of-direction-may-be-needed-for-next-smash-bros/

http://kotaku.com/dont-expect-a-lot-of-third-party-characters-in-the-nex-513203533

Also to add on to what you're saying he also said that Villager wouldn't be very good fit for a Smash game

http://www.officialnintendomagazine...ager-was-originally-in-smash-bros-brawl/#null

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Also to add on to what you're saying he also said that Villager wouldn't be very good in a Smash game

http://www.officialnintendomagazine...ager-was-originally-in-smash-bros-brawl/#null

Which is actually another argument I've made before when it came to not taking Sakurai completely at his word, yeah.

 

[Arcadenik]

So I work at a retro gaming store and we recently got a copy of Clayfighter Sculpters Cut (rare N64 game) and I noticed one of the "cut" characters from Clayfighter 63 1/3 was a "3 in one" character:

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got me thinking about the Sal leak and how Chorus men might work, basically just that a "3 in one character" is easily possible moving as a single unit.

Master Hand could get in... look at High Five.

I kinda wish there is a new ClayFighter game for the Wii U in gorgeous HD with all the characters from past ClayFighter games plus a few newcomers and scrapped characters (Hobocop, anyone?). Maybe I should download ClayFighter from Wii Shop Channel?

On topic, I was thinking that maybe Salromano's informant might leak some more characters to him on or before June 10, 2014. But I suppose the leaks wouldn't matter much because we would probably get the final roster at E3 2014 along with the release date for the 3DS version.

I remember there was a leak about the Dragoon item in Brawl and it turned out to be true... I don't think anyone else leaked anything about items for SSB4...???

 

[Noiblade]

Master Hand could get in... look at High Five.

I kinda wish there is a new ClayFighter game for the Wii U in gorgeous HD with all the characters from past ClayFighter games plus a few newcomers and scrapped characters (Hobocop, anyone?). Maybe I should download ClayFighter from Wii Shop Channel?

On topic, I was thinking that maybe Salromano's informant might leak some more characters to him on or before June 10, 2014. But I suppose the leaks wouldn't matter much because we would probably get the final roster at E3 2014 along with the release date for the 3DS version.

I remember there was a leak about the Dragoon item in Brawl and it turned out to be true... I don't think anyone else leaked anything about items for SSB4...???

I don't think we'll get the final roster, because there is ALWAYS hidden characters.

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't think we'll get the final roster, because there is ALWAYS hidden characters.

Yeah... and even if we find out about who are the hidden characters, there is ALWAYS DLC characters, right?

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Yeah... and even if we find out about who are the hidden characters, there is ALWAYS DLC characters, right?

You might joke about that, but considering Nintendo's approach to DLC lately, I wouldn't be surprised if they had some kind of DLC planned. Nothing wrong with taking Valve's TF2 route. Constantly updating your game is a great way to keep interest peaked.

 

[Noiblade]

You might joke about that, but considering Nintendo's approach to DLC lately, I wouldn't be surprised if they had some kind of DLC planned. Nothing wrong with taking Valve's TF2 route. Constantly updating your game is a great way to keep interest peaked.

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As long as things stay balanced and hopefully free, i'm fine with it.

 

[Gameboi834]

Nothing wrong with taking Valve's TF2 route.

New Kirby hats?