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The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak
This is the official thread to discuss everything and anything related to the Sal Romano/Gematsu leak. I have talked to the moderators about creating a new thread and they have approved this thread. If new information regarding the leak comes by, please make sure to post it in the thread. I will immediately add it to the OP. Expect this thread to be updated relatively frequently.
What exactly is the leak about?
The Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak is a long on-going leak that has remained alive for nearly a year and yet to be disproved in any way so far. On June 10th, 2013, Sal Romano stated an "unlikely prediction" where he leaked out Mega Man, Animal Crossing Guy (which turned out to be Villager), Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Mii and Pac-Man. After Mega Man, Villager and Wii Fit Trainer were confirmed, the article was then quickly posted on Gematsu. CAW Evolution, a well known fighting game leaker, verified Sal Romano as legitimate the next day. Gematsu then posted another leak on April 8th, 2014 (the same day as the Smash Direct) by the same person containing five characters; Shulk, Palutena, Chrom, Chorus Men and a Pokémon from X & Y (which turned out to be Greninja/Gekkouga). To this date, the leak has yet to be confirmed true, although so far, there has only been evidence pointing towards its legitimacy (such as the reveal of Wii Fit Trainer and no character from this list being disconfirmed yet). Right before E3 2014, Sal Romano leaked various information that would be announced there such as character DLC and that Lucas is likely going to get cut. Whenever or not this is the case remains to be seen.
Before you post...:
Do note that there are rules that must be followed while posting in the thread and that things will be handled quite differently from the Leak & Rumors thread that plague this forum just recently. Moderators will be heavily watching over these forums to limit drama in this thread, so please keep all of these things in mind while discussing the leak.
STRICT MODERATION ARE PRESENT: The Rumors & Leak thread was a complete mess. Too many people went off-topic and flame wars were frequent. Keeping the thread afloat was hell for the moderating staff and since leak threads have the tendency to do that, expect the moderating staff to be strict.
ALL DISCUSSION MUST BE RELEVANT TO THE LEAK: There are no successors to the Rumor & Leak thread. This thread's primary purpose is to discuss Sal Romano/Getmatsu's leak, not to discuss the latest false rumor created by a person to get his fifteen minutes of fame or to complain about your next door neighbor. The reason why this leak has a thread is because the leak hasn't been dismissed within minutes of creation and in fact, has legitimate evidence supporting the leak. No other leaks may be discussed here UNLESS you are trying to discuss a leak with relevance to the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak.
THERE WILL BE MINIMAL TO NO SPECULATION DISCUSSION ALLOWED: There are numerous other threads where you can discuss the possibility of X character getting into the next Smash or speculation other aspects of the game. Use them, don't clog up this thread with Fire Emblem General or discussing whenever or not Ridley is going to be playable.
THIS THREAD IS NOT USED TO CONTACT SAL ROMANO TO OBTAIN LEAK INFORMATION ABOUT CHARACTERS: This thread is used for discussing the leak. It will NOT be used for getting Sal Romano to obtain information for leaking more characters and it won't be used for you to become one of the bazillion people to bother Sal Romano about this. If you come into this thread trying to start a campaign to get Sal Romano to go out and leak more characters because you think you deserve to know, it will be harshly punished. Sal Romano is going to obtain leak information what he gets and constantly asking him if Ridley/King K. Rool/Mewtwo are in is disrespectful and doesn't take into account that he is a busy person and is not Sakurai.
FAQs:
Can we discuss the validity of the leak?
Of course. The purpose of this thread is to discuss anything and everything in regards to the Sal Romano leak and that does include discussing whenever or not the leak is valid. Feel free to take either side, just make sure to keep in mind the opposing arguments.
Does Sal Romano directly leak the information himself?
No. Sal Romano does not directly leak the information, he gets his information from a tipper. When Sal Romano is able to leak information, it is when the tipper gives him access to said information, not when Sal Romano feels like leaking it.
Notable Posts:
Scoliosis Jones's #341
This is the official thread to discuss everything and anything related to the Sal Romano/Gematsu leak. I have talked to the moderators about creating a new thread and they have approved this thread. If new information regarding the leak comes by, please make sure to post it in the thread. I will immediately add it to the OP. Expect this thread to be updated relatively frequently.
What exactly is the leak about?
The Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak is a long on-going leak that has remained alive for nearly a year and yet to be disproved in any way so far. On June 10th, 2013, Sal Romano stated an "unlikely prediction" where he leaked out Mega Man, Animal Crossing Guy (which turned out to be Villager), Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Mii and Pac-Man. After Mega Man, Villager and Wii Fit Trainer were confirmed, the article was then quickly posted on Gematsu. CAW Evolution, a well known fighting game leaker, verified Sal Romano as legitimate the next day. Gematsu then posted another leak on April 8th, 2014 (the same day as the Smash Direct) by the same person containing five characters; Shulk, Palutena, Chrom, Chorus Men and a Pokémon from X & Y (which turned out to be Greninja/Gekkouga). To this date, the leak has yet to be confirmed true, although so far, there has only been evidence pointing towards its legitimacy (such as the reveal of Wii Fit Trainer and no character from this list being disconfirmed yet). Right before E3 2014, Sal Romano leaked various information that would be announced there such as character DLC and that Lucas is likely going to get cut. Whenever or not this is the case remains to be seen.
Before you post...:
Do note that there are rules that must be followed while posting in the thread and that things will be handled quite differently from the Leak & Rumors thread that plague this forum just recently. Moderators will be heavily watching over these forums to limit drama in this thread, so please keep all of these things in mind while discussing the leak.
STRICT MODERATION ARE PRESENT: The Rumors & Leak thread was a complete mess. Too many people went off-topic and flame wars were frequent. Keeping the thread afloat was hell for the moderating staff and since leak threads have the tendency to do that, expect the moderating staff to be strict.
ALL DISCUSSION MUST BE RELEVANT TO THE LEAK: There are no successors to the Rumor & Leak thread. This thread's primary purpose is to discuss Sal Romano/Getmatsu's leak, not to discuss the latest false rumor created by a person to get his fifteen minutes of fame or to complain about your next door neighbor. The reason why this leak has a thread is because the leak hasn't been dismissed within minutes of creation and in fact, has legitimate evidence supporting the leak. No other leaks may be discussed here UNLESS you are trying to discuss a leak with relevance to the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak.
THERE WILL BE MINIMAL TO NO SPECULATION DISCUSSION ALLOWED: There are numerous other threads where you can discuss the possibility of X character getting into the next Smash or speculation other aspects of the game. Use them, don't clog up this thread with Fire Emblem General or discussing whenever or not Ridley is going to be playable.
THIS THREAD IS NOT USED TO CONTACT SAL ROMANO TO OBTAIN LEAK INFORMATION ABOUT CHARACTERS: This thread is used for discussing the leak. It will NOT be used for getting Sal Romano to obtain information for leaking more characters and it won't be used for you to become one of the bazillion people to bother Sal Romano about this. If you come into this thread trying to start a campaign to get Sal Romano to go out and leak more characters because you think you deserve to know, it will be harshly punished. Sal Romano is going to obtain leak information what he gets and constantly asking him if Ridley/King K. Rool/Mewtwo are in is disrespectful and doesn't take into account that he is a busy person and is not Sakurai.
FAQs:
Can we discuss the validity of the leak?
Of course. The purpose of this thread is to discuss anything and everything in regards to the Sal Romano leak and that does include discussing whenever or not the leak is valid. Feel free to take either side, just make sure to keep in mind the opposing arguments.
Does Sal Romano directly leak the information himself?
No. Sal Romano does not directly leak the information, he gets his information from a tipper. When Sal Romano is able to leak information, it is when the tipper gives him access to said information, not when Sal Romano feels like leaking it.
Notable Posts:
Well I'm finally home. I'll take my time with this one.
I see a lot of the detractors of this leak state that it's definitely just a lucky guess, or the guy is making it up and running with it. Let's run a background check on our friend Sal Romano.
Sal Romano:
-Owner of a website
-has leaked legitimate information before
-would lose credibility should he be wrong (yet guesses Wii Fit Trainer who, prior to E3, would have been shot down by basically 99.9999% of the Smash Bros fanbase. Don't even try to argue that.) Animal Crossing Guy, to the average joe isn't a questionable choice, but to the people who follow Sakurai and the series very closely, it was a highly doubted idea for awhile due to his comments about the Villager.
This guy has some credibility if I do say so myself. That's my take on that part of it.
Sal came to Smashboards briefly after the second leak, and explained what he knew. He received the supposed email for E3 awhile before the event (pretty sure it was a few months beforehand), and he saved it until just before as a guess. He claims that he questioned the leak, and he still does. He gets the concern with the fact that Rosalina was missed, and that X/Y Pokemon was questionable.
Let's look back at the first leak.
Sal says, "Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Pac-Man, Mii will appear at E3"
Detractors will say that because all six of them didn't appear, the leak is automatically fake. So it didn't come to fruition just yet. Guess where else there was inaccurate information? A Pokemon X/Y leak. However, in that particular Pokemon X/Y leak, a majority of the information the leaker gave was actually CORRECT, save for a few parts (by few, I mean VERY few). On the flip side, while Little Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii hadn't appeared at E3, the other three did. Two of which are arguably dark horse characters that would have been the most questionable choices.
Later on, Little Mac was confirmed at a later date. That's character number four that Sal's leaker got. However, Little Mac isn't a difficult character to predict...if you're a North American fan. Most Japanese Smash Bros fans didn't recognize Little Mac, nor did some understand why he was picked. Little Mac, while seemingly an obvious pick to western fans, was incredibly obscure to Japanese fans. He's not as obvious as some think.
Pac-Man has yet to appear, but should you deny the likelihood of this guy showing up, you're getting your hopes up. Namco already has a presence in Smash Bros in the form of items, and I think it should make perfect sense for Namco to receive a character, especially one in the echelon of Pac-Man, who happens to still be a major gaming icon. Maybe not modern gaming, but classic gaming for sure. Smash covers all facets of gaming history and Nintendo, and Pac-Man fits that bill.
The Mii's haven't appeared either. However, they still have quite the chance to get in. There really isn't anything to draw from as far as their potential appearance just yet, but that doesn't take away the fact that they could easily happen.
So now, let's look at the second Sal Romano leak.
Sal says, " Leaker has sent a second email, saying that Pac-Man and Mii's are still coming, but there are other newcomers as well. They are: Chrom, Shulk, Palutena, Chorus Men, and an X/Y Pokemon"
Let's look at these characters one by one.
Chrom: A fairly likely Fire Emblem pick, as the protagonist from the latest Fire Emblem game, Fire Emblem: Awakening. You could say he was a "safe" choice should this leak be fake. But that's asinine logic, based on the fact that the rest of the newcomer roster is filled with characters few expected should this be real. Do you expect off the wall characters along with Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men (and to a lesser extent, Villager)?
Shulk: Protagonist from the critically acclaimed Xenoblade Chronicles. He's a fairly popular character in Japan (being at least top 10 I believe) and has quite the following in the western fanbases. He's a reasonable choice, but I'm not entirely convinced that he's a "safe" choice. If you want to get into there being too many "safe" choices, see the section on Chrom.
Palutena: a character that has been hinted at multiple times now, is very likely to be in Smash Wii U/3DS. Another "safe choice" but again, read "Chrom".
Chorus Men: This is where it gets icky. This is yet another character that nobody saw coming. This, in my honest opinion, is the only thing that will make or break this leak. If they aren't playable characters (or whatever Chorus Men consists of), the leak can be deemed fake. If they are playable, I find it highly likely that the leak will turn out to be real. This is probably another case of the character being revealed, and then speculators going on about how they were likely the whole time. I'm telling you now, they're an off the wall choice, and their position in Smash Bros 4 will make or break this leak.
X/Y Pokemon: Oh the controversial character, a Pokemon from Pokemon X/Y. This was not highly considered by many fans out there. There are many people who claim that because it was Greninja specifically, that it debunks the leak. Let me tell you why that's bad logic...you see, before Ike was chosen for Brawl, Sakurai simply had the concept of a slow moving, heavy sword user. There is proof of this, and once I get a hold of it, I will add it to this post. For the time being (before Ike was actually chosen for that spot) it could quite simply be argued, that the Fire Emblem newcomer...was simply labeled as "Fire Emblem character" just as the choice from Pokemon X/Y is possibly be labeled "X/Y Pokemon". It's happened before, no reason it can't happen again. No matter how you slice it, it is entirely accurate that an "X/Y Pokemon" turned out to be Greninja. Greninja is a Pokemon that debuted in Pokemon X/Y, therefore, he fits in the category of "X/Y Pokemon". I don't see what the problem is here.
What I'm getting at here, is that there is presently nothing that can prove either side.
You can say it's fake, but that would bypass the fact that Sal Romano is a fairly credible source, so it should be assumed he wouldn't be making this up himself. If the guy wanted the leak to spread (which he wouldn't) that would be when he would go to a mod on IGN or a big name website. Sal, who is the owner of Gematsu, which is a small website most people have probably never heard of, claims to have gotten the information from a separate source. He did not make this leak himself. Why would he? Claiming otherwise would be going directly against the information we have. He has talked to Smashboards Staff after being asked for information. He is not bragging he's getting things right. I could go on, but I think you're getting my point.
What do I think? Well, if I'm being honest, I do believe this leak. The "safe" picks make sense, and don't make it unbelievable (which doesn't take from the credibility of the leak). It makes sense to have a Pokemon from the latest gen, as Melee and Brawl both had one from their current Pokemon Generations.
Don't get any scientific terms in here, because they don't do anything for this right now. It's all speculation at this point. It all hinges on the Rhythm Heaven Chorus Men. Should they be confirmed, it should be heavily considered that this leak is real.
That's pretty much my view on it.
EDIT: Here is a journal entry from Sakurai about the Fire Emblem character:
It's a rough translation, but it's pretty much understandable.
I see a lot of the detractors of this leak state that it's definitely just a lucky guess, or the guy is making it up and running with it. Let's run a background check on our friend Sal Romano.
Sal Romano:
-Owner of a website
-has leaked legitimate information before
-would lose credibility should he be wrong (yet guesses Wii Fit Trainer who, prior to E3, would have been shot down by basically 99.9999% of the Smash Bros fanbase. Don't even try to argue that.) Animal Crossing Guy, to the average joe isn't a questionable choice, but to the people who follow Sakurai and the series very closely, it was a highly doubted idea for awhile due to his comments about the Villager.
This guy has some credibility if I do say so myself. That's my take on that part of it.
Sal came to Smashboards briefly after the second leak, and explained what he knew. He received the supposed email for E3 awhile before the event (pretty sure it was a few months beforehand), and he saved it until just before as a guess. He claims that he questioned the leak, and he still does. He gets the concern with the fact that Rosalina was missed, and that X/Y Pokemon was questionable.
Let's look back at the first leak.
Sal says, "Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Pac-Man, Mii will appear at E3"
Detractors will say that because all six of them didn't appear, the leak is automatically fake. So it didn't come to fruition just yet. Guess where else there was inaccurate information? A Pokemon X/Y leak. However, in that particular Pokemon X/Y leak, a majority of the information the leaker gave was actually CORRECT, save for a few parts (by few, I mean VERY few). On the flip side, while Little Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii hadn't appeared at E3, the other three did. Two of which are arguably dark horse characters that would have been the most questionable choices.
Later on, Little Mac was confirmed at a later date. That's character number four that Sal's leaker got. However, Little Mac isn't a difficult character to predict...if you're a North American fan. Most Japanese Smash Bros fans didn't recognize Little Mac, nor did some understand why he was picked. Little Mac, while seemingly an obvious pick to western fans, was incredibly obscure to Japanese fans. He's not as obvious as some think.
Pac-Man has yet to appear, but should you deny the likelihood of this guy showing up, you're getting your hopes up. Namco already has a presence in Smash Bros in the form of items, and I think it should make perfect sense for Namco to receive a character, especially one in the echelon of Pac-Man, who happens to still be a major gaming icon. Maybe not modern gaming, but classic gaming for sure. Smash covers all facets of gaming history and Nintendo, and Pac-Man fits that bill.
Don't even bring in that Sakurai quote about Namco not getting special treatment. That doesn't rule out just one Namco character. Multiple Namco characters was never likely anyway.
The Mii's haven't appeared either. However, they still have quite the chance to get in. There really isn't anything to draw from as far as their potential appearance just yet, but that doesn't take away the fact that they could easily happen.
So now, let's look at the second Sal Romano leak.
Sal says, " Leaker has sent a second email, saying that Pac-Man and Mii's are still coming, but there are other newcomers as well. They are: Chrom, Shulk, Palutena, Chorus Men, and an X/Y Pokemon"
Let's look at these characters one by one.
Chrom: A fairly likely Fire Emblem pick, as the protagonist from the latest Fire Emblem game, Fire Emblem: Awakening. You could say he was a "safe" choice should this leak be fake. But that's asinine logic, based on the fact that the rest of the newcomer roster is filled with characters few expected should this be real. Do you expect off the wall characters along with Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men (and to a lesser extent, Villager)?
Shulk: Protagonist from the critically acclaimed Xenoblade Chronicles. He's a fairly popular character in Japan (being at least top 10 I believe) and has quite the following in the western fanbases. He's a reasonable choice, but I'm not entirely convinced that he's a "safe" choice. If you want to get into there being too many "safe" choices, see the section on Chrom.
Palutena: a character that has been hinted at multiple times now, is very likely to be in Smash Wii U/3DS. Another "safe choice" but again, read "Chrom".
Chorus Men: This is where it gets icky. This is yet another character that nobody saw coming. This, in my honest opinion, is the only thing that will make or break this leak. If they aren't playable characters (or whatever Chorus Men consists of), the leak can be deemed fake. If they are playable, I find it highly likely that the leak will turn out to be real. This is probably another case of the character being revealed, and then speculators going on about how they were likely the whole time. I'm telling you now, they're an off the wall choice, and their position in Smash Bros 4 will make or break this leak.
X/Y Pokemon: Oh the controversial character, a Pokemon from Pokemon X/Y. This was not highly considered by many fans out there. There are many people who claim that because it was Greninja specifically, that it debunks the leak. Let me tell you why that's bad logic...you see, before Ike was chosen for Brawl, Sakurai simply had the concept of a slow moving, heavy sword user. There is proof of this, and once I get a hold of it, I will add it to this post. For the time being (before Ike was actually chosen for that spot) it could quite simply be argued, that the Fire Emblem newcomer...was simply labeled as "Fire Emblem character" just as the choice from Pokemon X/Y is possibly be labeled "X/Y Pokemon". It's happened before, no reason it can't happen again. No matter how you slice it, it is entirely accurate that an "X/Y Pokemon" turned out to be Greninja. Greninja is a Pokemon that debuted in Pokemon X/Y, therefore, he fits in the category of "X/Y Pokemon". I don't see what the problem is here.
What I'm getting at here, is that there is presently nothing that can prove either side.
You can say it's fake, but that would bypass the fact that Sal Romano is a fairly credible source, so it should be assumed he wouldn't be making this up himself. If the guy wanted the leak to spread (which he wouldn't) that would be when he would go to a mod on IGN or a big name website. Sal, who is the owner of Gematsu, which is a small website most people have probably never heard of, claims to have gotten the information from a separate source. He did not make this leak himself. Why would he? Claiming otherwise would be going directly against the information we have. He has talked to Smashboards Staff after being asked for information. He is not bragging he's getting things right. I could go on, but I think you're getting my point.
What do I think? Well, if I'm being honest, I do believe this leak. The "safe" picks make sense, and don't make it unbelievable (which doesn't take from the credibility of the leak). It makes sense to have a Pokemon from the latest gen, as Melee and Brawl both had one from their current Pokemon Generations.
Don't get any scientific terms in here, because they don't do anything for this right now. It's all speculation at this point. It all hinges on the Rhythm Heaven Chorus Men. Should they be confirmed, it should be heavily considered that this leak is real.
That's pretty much my view on it.
EDIT: Here is a journal entry from Sakurai about the Fire Emblem character:
New work of "Fire Emblem" is produced in the Wii at the stage of July 2005 announced the creation of "Smash Bros. X"
I've found that. There is no information about the character, because I did not know anything, is at the stage of making a proposal
where he was referred to as "someone in the Fire Emblem". "I feel the heavy contrary to appearance from the developer of the original Ike
if there is a demand to put out ", was aimed at rough character with a large sword. The attack for heavy movement
easily dodged, though that painful mess it hits. In the original, the enemies far away with something like shock wave
Is there also situations to attack, but do you accommodate phase and Ike image that should aim at "Smash Bros. X".
In addition, rather than in terms of character of, when you embody a quality of character on the game, will be accepted
out did you think that it is whether to become balance. After all, the character if Tsukkome remains of the original, such as the skill
but I was not the case in any way speaking likeness restrictor is, or get out.
I've found that. There is no information about the character, because I did not know anything, is at the stage of making a proposal
where he was referred to as "someone in the Fire Emblem". "I feel the heavy contrary to appearance from the developer of the original Ike
if there is a demand to put out ", was aimed at rough character with a large sword. The attack for heavy movement
easily dodged, though that painful mess it hits. In the original, the enemies far away with something like shock wave
Is there also situations to attack, but do you accommodate phase and Ike image that should aim at "Smash Bros. X".
In addition, rather than in terms of character of, when you embody a quality of character on the game, will be accepted
out did you think that it is whether to become balance. After all, the character if Tsukkome remains of the original, such as the skill
but I was not the case in any way speaking likeness restrictor is, or get out.
It's a rough translation, but it's pretty much understandable.
Thank you and enjoy discussing the leak. I'll be editing the OP quite regularly, so do check back for updates. Criticism and suggestions to improve the OP is highly wanted.
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