The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Scoliosis Jones]

A guy says it is posible that it's fake. Not even believing it, but, just saying it's a ****ing possibility. Get's shot down.

He's not getting shot down because he says it's fake. He's getting argued against for his reasoning. There's no problem with that.

 

[Deleted member]

See, that's why I hate to be "that guy", I'm not saying it's fake, just that there are some weird things that makes me not buying it, I'll believe it's real if the Choir Boys are revealed, WFT and them wouldn't be a coincidence

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Sorry for being nitpicky here, but the article here states that he got the email on April 8th before the direct. Did he say otherwise in another post?

If I remember correctly, at one point or another, he said he received an email awhile beforehand. For all I know, that might be for the first email. But regardless, my point still stands on the Pokemon from X/Y debacle. It's perfectly plausible for the informants info to be outdated, but still correct. The article I posted in regards to a Fire Emblem character is practically the same thing.

 

[Luigi#1]

See, that's why I hate to be "that guy", I'm not saying it's fake, just that there are some weird things that makes me not buying it, I'll believe it's real if the Choir Boys are revealed, WFT and them wouldn't be a coincidence

This is exactly what I was saying in the last thread of leaks. I really wouldn't go against popular leaks because people seem to think you think they're wrong.

 

[Noiblade]

I'll quote my theory again

I just thought of something.
So we know how The leaker chooses to leak before events(E3,Smash direct ect.) So with that in mind what if the leaker knows all the characters but doesn't know when they're going to be revealed?
For example the leaker leaked the characters that were(at the point where he got his info) being considered for E3, and not final decisions. That's why we didn't get Rosalina, because she wasn't being considered for E3.

Then the second leak comes around and he gives a list of characters that were being considered being shown at the E3 direct. And we got just what he said, a Pokemon from X&Y

This is the only conclusion I can think of that actually makes sense.

TL;DR: Leaker chooses to leak characters that are considered for being revealed at events.

Okay, so the answer to the vagueness of "Pokemon from X & Y". I think the leaker got his info weeks, or months before the final roster was made. He probably heard Sakurai or someone else say "I want a Pokemon from X & Y in this game, but I can't choose which one." and that's how he got his info.

Spoiler

I'm gonna go a bit over the edge and link the leaked Paultena pictures to the gematsu leak.

Let's call the leaker, L. L come's into work and decides he wants to leak a new Character. L takes a couple of pictures of Palutena, L also gets info on other characters. Someone notices L is trying to leak stuff, and that Worker tells Sakurai. By this point L has already uploaded Palutena pictures and get's fired. Yeah it sounds a bit farfetched but it's possible, and that might explain why he didn't know the exact Pokemon from X & Y

 

[N3ON]

People chalking up actually predicting WFT as no big thing obv weren't around here when it happened.

The only reason belief in the leak faltered was because Pac, Mac, and Mii didn't show up at E3. What's funny is how much Mac's confirmation strengthened it again though, as if that was some crazy pick.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

People chalking up actually predicting WFT as no big thing obv weren't around here when it happened.

The only reason belief in the leak faltered was because Pac, Mac, and Mii didn't show up at E3. What's funny is how much Mac's confirmation strengthened it again though, as if that was some crazy pick.

Had Mac, Pac-Man and the Miis been revealed at E3, nobody would have had any reason to be skeptical of the second leak at all. Nevertheless, regardless of whether or not the Chorus Men makes it in, you can't possibly predict someone like Wii Fit Trainer as easily as some people argue, especially along with a character that was already shot down. Granted, the only reason why I have doubt is precisely because the previous leak hasn't been 100% correct, which definitely doesn't help.

The thing is, and to set it straight, the Chorus Men would be the make it or break the deal of the second leak. I'm not gonna suddenly go and act as if the second leak is automatically correct no matter what due to the fact the first wasn't 100% correct and none of Little Mac, Pac-Man and Miis are exactly characters that are some super random choices that didn't have factors making them likely, regardless of the leak's legitimacy or not. Similarly, none of Palutena, Chrom or Shulk are hard to believe and thus none of their hypothetical confirmation would do anything for the leak.

So it all leads to the Chorus Men. In the hypothetical event that they were to be disconfirmed, it's definitely game over no matter what. Even if the rest becomes true, the leaker gets no credit for the second leak and there is no reason anymore to assume that the second leak means anything as anyone could plausibly guess Chrom, Palutena and Shulk and be correct, hypothetically speaking.

The Chorus Men are the odd ball out of this group and the only characters whose chances solely rests on this second leak. If we get a situation where some other Rhythm Heaven character gets to be playable, such as Marshal, the leaker still would get no credit for the second leak as it was the Chorus Men who were leaked. Of course, given that this is the same source that gave us the Wii Fit Trainer and the Villager, which cannot be ignored (although Little Mac, Pac-Man and the Miis not being revealed along them definitely isn't something that shouldn't be questioned) I do feel this second leak may be ultimately proven to be extremely more credible as the Chorus Men may be confirmed at some point. In that case- congratulation Palutena, Shulk and Chrom fans, because it's Party Time for you guys.

Overall, I'm not completely sold.

 

[Deleted member]

Why people think Villager was hard to predict? All the games of the series are a huge success and when you look at Nintendo franchises to be represented, AC is the only that didn't had a playable char until now, I remember watching the first trailer and unlike some people I knew it made sense, just look at how much New Leaf sold

 

[Noiblade]

Why people think Villager was hard to predict? All the games of the series are a huge success and when you look at Nintendo franchises to be represented, AC is the only that didn't had a playable char until now, I remember watching the first trailer and unlike some people I knew it made sense, just look at how much New Leaf sold

Are you asking why people think Villager was hard to predict?

I have a simple answer to that question. Sakurai said he didn't fit in a Smash game.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Why people think Villager was hard to predict? All the games of the series are a huge success and when you look at Nintendo franchises to be represented, AC is the only that didn't had a playable char until now, I remember watching the first trailer and unlike some people I knew it made sense, just look at how much New Leaf sold

Sakurai previously considered an Animal Crossing character for Brawl, but scrapped it since he felt it was too innocent a character for a fighting game.

Villager being in Sm4sh came as a surprise to us, then. We had no previous indication that Sakurai changed his mind.

Edit: Greninja'd

 

[Deleted member]

Are you asking why people think Villager was hard to predict?

I have a simple answer to that question. Sakurai said he didn't fit in a Smash game.

Neither does Snake, ROB or G&W

Sakurai previously considered an Animal Crossing character for Brawl, but scrapped it since he felt it was too innocent a character for a fighting game.

Villager being in Sm4sh came as a surprise to us, then. We had no previous indication that Sakurai changed his mind.

Edit: Greninja'd

Oh, I remember seeing something like this, but only was after the E3, only if ignoring this then

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Are you asking why people think Villager was hard to predict?

I have a simple answer to that question. Sakurai said he didn't fit in a Smash game.

The fact he considered him is enough for people to think he'll add him later. Minds change, after all. Sakurai has made lot of changes, like removing L-Cancelling. Him doing a 180 on stuff he preferred isn't terribly odd.

It's not the case of Wii Fit Trainer whatsoever. Villager is not that hard to predict in the end. Especially knowing that an actual moveset was easy to make(and this was proven later), and all Sakurai had to do was change his mind and add someone.... which he's done before(see King Dedede, Mewtwo, Bowser...).

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Neither does Snake, ROB or G&W

Neither does WFT, and honestly neither do a bunch of characters in smash, but thats not the point.

Sakurai never spoke out against snake or the others, but he did say he didn't believed that a AC character fit in smash, so the chances of one making it in became much lower. Sure now we see he changed his mind, but nobody knew that before E3

 

[Autumn ♫]

Did Sal ever state that the characters will be playable in the game, or did he just say they were in the game?

 

[Noiblade]

Did Sal ever state that the characters will be playable in the game, or did he just say they were in the game?

I wanna say he said Newcomers.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Well, going by that logic wouldn't characters like Pit and Lucario count as one-shot characters?

EDIT: wait never mind, Pit doesn't count.

Pokemon Ranger, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Darkness.

Why do we keep calling Ganondorf a one-shot? Good lord. It was, at the time, a new form of a character who existed since the very first game. That's not a one-shot.

Fair. But you could make the same argument for Sheik, just sayin'.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Pokemon Ranger, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Darkness.



Fair. But you could make the same argument for Sheik, just sayin'.

OK fine, but I still don't really see how a character that was clearly destined for greater things really counts as a one-off character even in a time frame. I mean, you could basically say Mario was a one-off character at one time. I mean, it's still technically true but still.

 

[Nintendotard]

So I found the picture that matches this thread 10 fold

Please no warning, this relates completely to the topic -_-

If it helps, it is pretty odd that Rosalina was never mentioned by the leaker, but from the vagueness that is "Animal Crossing Guy" and "Pokemon from X/Y", maybe the supplier doesn't know ALL the characters (also would make sense since only about 10 were "leaked".

 

[Shroob]

^That should be in the opening post I feel.

 

[Nintendotard]

^That should be in the opening post I feel.

I was actually hoping that the OP could put it up there.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

So I found the picture that matches this thread 10 fold

Please no warning, this relates completely to the topic -_-

If it helps, it is pretty odd that Rosalina was never mentioned by the leaker, but from the vagueness that is "Animal Crossing Guy" and "Pokemon from X/Y", maybe the supplier doesn't know ALL the characters (also would make sense since only about 10 were "leaked".

Is it just me or does Shulk look like he's constipated?

 

[Opossum]

So I found the picture that matches this thread 10 fold

Please no warning, this relates completely to the topic -_-

If it helps, it is pretty odd that Rosalina was never mentioned by the leaker, but from the vagueness that is "Animal Crossing Guy" and "Pokemon from X/Y", maybe the supplier doesn't know ALL the characters (also would make sense since only about 10 were "leaked".

Huh. The numbers on the signs are actually the characters' debut dates. That's clever.

Interesting to see this leak get fan-art, haha.

 

[Noiblade]

Is it just me or does Shulk look like he's constipated?

Spoiler

BEHOLD THE POWER OF THE MONADO!

 

[Deleted member]

Link's face kills me.

"...How is Samus arguing with Samus?!"

 

[CrimsonVallier]

....That Reggie Mii tho...

 

[Bauske]

I personally believe the leak. People keep asking "why didn't he mention Rosalina?" The answer is that he only revealed six characters, not the whole roster. If the leaker had revealed everything from the get go, chances are he wouldn't have a job any longer. I'm sure it'd be pretty easy for Sakurai to pinpoint where a leak that revealed everything came from, but a leak that states 4 semi-easy-to-predict characters, one slightly difficult one, and one impossible one? That's not quite as easy to track. Also given that the leak came right before E3, and information was probably known by many people behind the scenes at that time, this kept the leaker even more safe.

Heck, we don't even know when Sal got that first leak, do we? Did he get it that day and posted his "predictions?" Did he get it a week earlier? A month? Maybe he received the tip way before E3 and the leaker asked him not to divulge that info until a certain time, in order to protect his job. At said time, Sal made a forum post just stating his "predictions," and after they came true, he made a statement about how that information was leaked to him.

I might have my timeline wrong. I wasn't actually paying much attention to these boards back when all of this was initially going on, so if I'm wrong, someone please say so. But this is how I envision it in my head.

Same goes for the second leak. I have a feeling Sal got word ahead of time, but again in order to protect the leaker's identity, he didn't report on it until just slightly before the direct, and due to his confidence in the leaker after the first valid information, he actually posted it on the Gematsu site rather than just a forum post.

These are my thoughts on the leak. I still believe it's accurate, but I also feel there's no way we're going to know until we have the game in our hands. Chorus Men most certainly will be an unlockable character, and as others have said, they're really the one character who can solidify this leak to a nearly confirmed status.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

So I found the picture that matches this thread 10 fold

Please no warning, this relates completely to the topic -_-

If it helps, it is pretty odd that Rosalina was never mentioned by the leaker, but from the vagueness that is "Animal Crossing Guy" and "Pokemon from X/Y", maybe the supplier doesn't know ALL the characters (also would make sense since only about 10 were "leaked".

look at this lineup of characters! and there's still people mad about the possibility... it's amazing! ... maybe they're not all the characters that most people expect or want, but still, an amazing row of diversity of characters! (either by date of debut, by appeal to a game genre, to be a new idea to explore, etc) I won't even get mad about their inclusions (which at this point, is already confirmed, imo),... and has nothing to do that one of my supported characters are in. =P

EDIT: lol, I just noticed Greninja in the pic, right above the Mii and Pac-Man. lolol.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

There is one point that I think anti-leakers (lol) should actually counter instead of ignoring it.

CAW Evolution, the respected Capcom leaker who leaked MVC3's newcomers came and said that Sal's source seemed legit.

Counterpoints?

 

[Arcanir]

If I remember correctly, at one point or another, he said he received an email awhile beforehand. For all I know, that might be for the first email. But regardless, my point still stands on the Pokemon from X/Y debacle. It's perfectly plausible for the informants info to be outdated, but still correct. The article I posted in regards to a Fire Emblem character is practically the same thing.

I'm inclined to think it's the first leak he said that for as I do remember him saying something similar for that. Either way, I'm not doubting the theory's plausibility, I was just curious about that bit of information as it's the first time I've heard that and it's contrary to what I've heard on the situation.

 

[Noiblade]

There is one point that I think anti-leakers (lol) should actually counter instead of ignoring.

CAW Evolution, the respected Capcom leaker who leaked MVC3's newcomers came and said that Sal's source seemed legit.

Counterpoints?

Wait he said that? I'm not one of the "anit-leakers" or what ever, but could I have a source for that?

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

look at this lineup of characters! and there's still people mad about the possibility... it's amazing! ... maybe they're not all the characters that most people expect or want, but still, an amazing row of diversity of characters! (either by date of debut, by appeal to a game genre, to be a new idea to explore, etc) I won't even get mad about their inclusions (which at this point, is already confirmed, imo),... and has nothing to do that one of my supported characters are in. =P

I would actually be disappointed if this were the full roster, but I'm confident that it won't be.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

There is one point that I think anti-leakers (lol) should actually counter instead of ignoring it.

CAW Evolution, the respected Capcom leaker who leaked MVC3's newcomers came and said that Sal's source seemed legit.

Counterpoints?

Then one month later, he started to doubt the leak. IIRC

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait he said that? I'm not one of the "anit-leakers" or what ever, but could I have a source for that?

I believe @Super Smash Bros. Fan or @ Scoliosis Jones has it.

Then one month later, he started to doubt the leak. IIRC

Source for that as well.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

I believe @Super Smash Bros. Fan or @ Scoliosis Jones has it.



Source for that as well.

Here is the source

Protip: It was Capcom websites developers who leaked the pictures early, so Ryce have nothing to do with the leaks but he found the pictures by guessing the websites url with characters' names. However I'm still grateful for that since we don't have to figuring out Lupinko's weird riddles even it's fun to guessing.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here is the source

Protip: It was Capcom websites developers who leaked the pictures early, so Ryce have nothing to do with the leaks but he found the pictures by guessing the websites url with characters' names. Which we were grateful for that since we don't have to figuring out Lupinko's weird riddles, even it's fun to guessing.

I was talking about MVC3. Not UMVC3.

But still... interesting...

 

[IntelliHeath1]

I was talking about MVC3. Not UMVC3.

But still... interesting...

I'm pretty sure that it was Lupinko whom leaked MVC3 roster.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm pretty sure that it was Lupinko whom leaked MVC3 roster.

Really?

Huh...

I don't even know any more...

 

[kataridragon]

I'm pretty sure that it was Lupinko whom leaked MVC3 roster.

Yes. I was there. This is true

I will say it was easier to find leaks for mvc3 before the game came out. I actually google seached something and found images of ksien-ko's character art before her official reveal trailer. True story.

 

[Deleted member]

The prediction seems pretty convincing, but I'll be very disappointed if it's correct. How would the rhythm heaven character have a moveset? It seems redundant to G&W who kinda already fits the quirky niche quite well. What would the moveset be? Just a bunch of random callbacks to the game he's from? Seems pretty lame. Rhythm heaven isn't a very big name game either, and having played the first one, it's not that special really. Don't get me started on Miis. Though this seems like the most likely of the three, I'm praying it's not going to be so. Miis aren't from any game, most people don't seem to care about them either. Any moveset a mii would have would be awfully generic as well. Finally, Pacman... This is the worst of all. Pacman is only liked for the novelty of his arcade days. Pacman games nowadays are garbage. The new pacman design looks like an abomination. He doesn't seem to be able to have any moveset either, just generic punches and kicks, coupled with the fact that there are already 2 perfectly round characters, assuming (hoping) Jigglypuff makes it in. I don't see why people want pacman to be in this game at all. Rhythm heaven is at least fun, contemporary, and a Nintendo character. Maybe people want Miis so they can make stupid joke miis to fight with. But Pacman is beyond my understanding...
With that said, it does seem like a possibility for a few reasons. The leak being the biggest reason of course. It seems credible. Another thing I noticed is that they seem to be adding the most random characters in the games anyways. Did anyone truly want the wii fit trainer? Is Rosalina the best choice for yet another Mario character? Why Greninja of all the pokemon? Wii fit trainer is as random as you can get, Rosalina is a miniscule side character from mario galaxy that never really did anything at all and is just a taller peach with a blue dress, and greninja is liked, yes, but why not something more iconic or something that stands alone more than greninja which is one of three starters? Seems to me that they're adding characters to this game completely independent of what makes sense, what people want, what characters lend themselves to a fighting game, and what is even relevant, so I wouldn't be surprised if they added in something as awful as pacman to smash.

 

[Noiblade]

How would the rhythm heaven character have a moveset? It seems redundant to G&W who kinda already fits the quirky niche quite well.

Falco, Wolf say hi.

Rhythm heaven isn't a very big name game either, and having played the first one, it's not that special really.

Earthbound and to some extent Fire Emblem(at one point)

Don't get me started on Miis. Though this seems like the most likely of the three, I'm praying it's not going to be so. Miis aren't from any game, most people don't seem to care about them either. Any moveset a mii would have would be awfully generic as well.

R.O.B. Would also like to say hi.

Finally, Pacman... This is the worst of all. Pacman is only liked for the novelty of his arcade days. Pacman games nowadays are garbage. The new pacman design looks like an abomination. He doesn't seem to be able to have any moveset either, just generic punches and kicks, coupled with the fact that there are already 2 perfectly round characters, assuming (hoping) Jigglypuff makes it in. I don't see why people want pacman to be in this game at all..

The quality of the games has literally nothing to do with Smash. You know who else didn't have a moveset?
Wii-Fit Trainer
Captain Falcon
To an extent Mario
R.O.B.
Mr. Game & Watch

The design? I dunno I kind of like it.

"there are already 2 perfectly round characters, assuming (hoping) Jigglypuff makes it in"
By that logic there are already a bunch of humanoid characters in the game so putting them in doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.

I don't see why people want pacman to be in this game at all. Rhythm heaven is at least fun, contemporary, and a Nintendo character. Maybe people want Miis so they can make stupid joke miis to fight with. But Pacman is beyond my understanding...

Pacman is an icon, along with that Sakurai said he didn't just want any Character in Smash, he wanted someone with a history. Again "fun" is totally subjective, and again doesn't really play a role in smash.

With that said, it does seem like a possibility for a few reasons. The leak being the biggest reason of course. It seems credible. Another thing I noticed is that they seem to be adding the most random characters in the games anyways. Did anyone truly want the wii fit trainer? Is Rosalina the best choice for yet another Mario character? Why Greninja of all the pokemon? Wii fit trainer is as random as you can get, Rosalina is a miniscule side character from mario galaxy that never really did anything at all and is just a taller peach with a blue dress, and greninja is liked, yes, but why not something more iconic or something that stands alone more than greninja which is one of three starters? Seems to me that they're adding characters to this game completely independent of what makes sense, what people want, what characters lend themselves to a fighting game, and what is even relevant, so I wouldn't be surprised if they added in something as awful as pacman to smash.

Yep because Smash has always been about the characters fans want, Surprised you haven't mentioned something about wanting Goku on the roster. What makes "sense" is different from what you think to what Sakurai thinks.
Sakurai want a lot of newcomers to be UNIQUE something Mii's, Pacman and Rhythm Heaven Men could certainly bring that to the table.