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So he's bannable because of your prior ignorance to the existence of Tiers above A?MK is SS tier.
I didnt even know there was a tier above S.
Okay... so before I respond, let me read my previous post 17 times to make sure that you are the one who is incorrect...So he's bannable because of your prior ignorance to the existence of Tiers above A?
The topic of the thread is:Okay... so before I respond, let me read my previous post 17 times to make sure that you are the one who is incorrect...
*reads 17 times*
Who said anything about banning him? Because it most certainly wasn't me, so...
So what the hell were you trying to say with that post? Were you saying he shouldn't be banned and using "He's in a Tier of his own, one above S!" as an argument? Or were you just rambling on randomly about some mysterious subject entirely disconnected from this thread?MK is SS tier.
I didnt even know there was a tier above S.
nuff said.
Well, considering the fact that this thread revolves around a decision that has already been made, I don't understand why it hasn't been locked yet. 2nd, when you infer something from a statement that I made, and I tell you that your assumption is incorrect, you CANNOT turn that around to make me look like an idiot.So what the hell were you trying to say with that post? Were you saying he shouldn't be banned and using "He's in a Tier of his own, one above S!" as an argument? Or were you just rambling on randomly about some mysterious subject entirely disconnected from this thread?
Please, you're just mad that IDC will never be legal.Uugh. It's back.
MK's not getting banned. But I have a fear they might try and ban any new AT s that might get discovered for him.
It's banned in a VERY scrubby way. If MK ever gets another AT, who's to say they won't ban over reasons like "MK doesn't need to be better".Please, you're just mad that IDC will never be legal.
LMAO.that's called getting outplayed
Annnnnnnnd you're probably pissed off about the fact that you can't get good enough with Lucario and beat an MK. (c wut I did thar?)Please, you're just mad that IDC will never be legal.
"Ban for being an unbeatable stall". taken care of.LMAO.
Annnnnnnnd you're probably pissed off about the fact that you can't get good enough with Lucario and beat an MK. (c wut I did thar?)
Meta, do yourself a favor and not lobby for IDC. -_- It's a ridiculous tactic that needs banning.
Smooth Criminal
If another AT comes along that doesn't have broken potential, it won't be banned. I don't feel like recapping your entire thread for you.It's banned in a VERY scrubby way. If MK ever gets another AT, who's to say they won't ban over reasons like "MK doesn't need to be better".
What are you talking about? I have no problem with MK (I'm a member of the MK should not be banned group), and I live in MK country (Jersey). Don't start pulling insults out of your *** that aren't based on anything.LMAO.
Annnnnnnnd you're probably pissed off about the fact that you can't get good enough with Lucario and beat an MK. (c wut I did thar?)
Meta, do yourself a favor and not lobby for IDC. -_- It's a ridiculous tactic that needs banning.
Smooth Criminal
Neither do I.Well, considering the fact that this thread revolves around a decision that has already been made, I don't understand why it hasn't been locked yet.
I was not attempting to make you look like an idiot. I believed that you were making the argument that Meta Knight should be banned based on something you posted.2nd, when you infer something from a statement that I made, and I tell you that your assumption is incorrect, you CANNOT turn that around to make me look like an idiot.
I'm not arguing you. I was merely explaining why I interpreted your post the way I interpreted it and how I wasn't really wrong in doing so. If you didn't mean for it to be a post arguing MK should be banned, then I have nothing to debate you about.On that note, drop it.
I'm not gonna argue with you.
Period.
That's not why it's banned. It's banned because it's too time consuming and man-power requiring to monitor and is a stalling tactic.It's banned in a VERY scrubby way. If MK ever gets another AT, who's to say they won't ban over reasons like "MK doesn't need to be better".
That's just sort of icing on the cake, so to speak. And the cake is massive.But as some SBR members would say, "it makes MK better, and he doesn't need to be better (even if it were slightly). So ban is good".
It's called a broken character, actually.that's called getting outplayed
You can be broken and still perfectly legit to be used in tournaments. Especially in games such as Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4, Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Meta Knight isn't even close to being as broken as the S-tiers of NGNT4 and MvC2 in comparison to the other characters in the respective games (and both those games have only one banned character; Akamaru for being unthrowable, un-cinematic X:able, auto-tech crouching every single move that isn't low, having a virtually unbreakable block because of this, etc., etc., etc.).It's called a broken character, actually.
Well, considering the fact that this thread revolves around a decision that has already been made, I don't understand why it hasn't been locked yet. 2nd, when you infer something from a statement that I made, and I tell you that your assumption is incorrect, you CANNOT turn that around to make me look like an idiot.
On that note, drop it.
I'm not gonna argue with you.
Period.
>_>What are you talking about? I have no problem with MK (I'm a member of the MK should not be banned group), and I live in MK country (Jersey). Don't start pulling insults out of your *** that aren't based on anything.
yes, I'm pro-ban.Thread: Should MK be banned?
You: Well he's in SS tier... I didn't even know tiers that high existed. Enough said!
...and you want to say that you weren't suggesting this as another strike in favor of banning MK? Don't worry, Yuna doesn't have to turn anything around to make you look like an idiot. You're doing that just fine on your own.
Being an SBR member =/= Being a person of infinite wisdom and devoid of the ability to ever say stupid ****@Yuna. Some SBR members argued that as a reason. Just saying.
No, I say it "will" be because based on what I know of Competitive gaming, Compettive Smash, Brawl's engine and the IDC, it is my opinion that if the IDC is allowed in tournaments, it will make MK "too good", leading to the necessity of either banning the IDC or just banning MK altogether.Don't say "will". It can either be a.)broken and overcentralizing, b.)a novelty AT, or c.)just somewhat useful. But we'll never know for sure because the community will assume a.). Even with what little evidence we do have questions it.
I missed that post. Sorry for that.??? I thought I did say "I don't see why not" when you asked me about other "unbeatable stall" ATs a while back? So sure?
So let me try to get this straight:yes, I'm pro-ban.
no, I wasnt suggesting anything. I was stating a FACT
congrats on intercepting a comment that isn't aimed at you, stirring up conflict that has already been resolved, and nut hugging.
Have a nice day.
Yes.@Yuna
Hmm. So at least we're in agreement that the SBR shouldn't use unproven reasoning as an argument to keep IDC banned, right? Too bad the SBR are doing just that...
The "solution" to MK dittos.You said their were some kinks in my proposal though. Could you point those out again?
Did yuna not tell you already why its broken, i even made a list which you basically answered as: Not proven in reality. However, some players DID play with IDC and conclude extremly rapidly that it was bannable for being OP. Metaxzero, did you even try the technique. You get a variable amount of invincibilty frames where you can move anywhere. Yes you found a solution to the stall, but there are 2 problems remaining. 1 your solution to mk ditto is not viable, you cannot change the way a technique behaves for one single matchup, or your forcing anyone who does not want to deal with this to switch to mk, thus overcentralizing the game. 2: Really, it does NOT take empirical proof(IE in game testing) to see that this technique is broken for approach/retreat/attacking. We provided you with a vid of dojo, which you managed to simply avoid talking about. Stop trolling this thread, stop trolling this forum, or host your own tourney where idc is not banned. YOU have to prove to us its not broken, not the other way around. You say that you are willing to see if its really broken or not, but your not doing any effort to prove to us that it is broken.@Yuna
Hmm. So at least we're in agreement that the SBR shouldn't use unproven reasoning as an argument to keep IDC banned, right? Too bad the SBR are doing just that...
You said their were some kinks in my proposal though. Could you point those out again?
EDIT: AZ. Your argument was that "IDC is the first AT of it's kind and whether or not it's broken, because of how unique it is, it should remain banned". IIRC or course.
-_-
Can I get a link to that video?We provided you with a vid of dojo, which you managed to simply avoid talking about.
I don't care how good my character vs. MK or vs. anyone for that matter, I just took it personally because you made a personal attack, and sarcasm is hard to detect on teh interwebs. So yeah, it's all good, brah.>_>
Well, considering that I did have no grounds to say something like that it was why I added the caption "c wut I did thar?". Just lotsa people are butthurt because their favorite character can't trounce the Betta Knight. I caught on to the fact that you were joking at like, the last second. I got no beef.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Smooth Criminal
How it's banned in dittos you mean?Yes.
The "solution" to MK dittos.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_wxAsoU2kScHow it's banned in dittos you mean?
Originally, I had it as "if both used IDC, it's treated as if both DIDN'T use IDC." Unfortunantely, that creates one problem that defeats the reason of unbanning it. If one MK uses IDC, they HAVE to keep a percentage/stock lead over the MK. If the MK who used IDC first ever falls behind in percentage/stock, the other MK will be able to use IDC to stall to the timer. And because IDC is unbeatable as a stall, that's a guaranteed win.
I got an idea for MK dittos If both MKs use IDC, both will lose if the timer hits 0. How's that?
@swordgard: That Dojo video nearly eliminates the possibility of IDC being useless. But don't argue that's enough to prove IDC should remained banned. If Dojo had used IDC nearly the entire time though...
I see Santi shooting an arrow for no reason and Dojo punishing the lag. If Dojo COULDN'T punish that with IDC, I'd question IDC's usefulness again. Basically 3:36-39 is NOT "proof" of how much IDC should be banned. Really, it just shows IDC use punishing open lag that has no reason being open. It's like Hylian's vid of him punishing a ZSS who was just sitting there spamming D-Smashing. You can't seriously use those examples and say "IDC should remain banned".http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_wxAsoU2kSc
3:36 to 3:39, how is that not broken if used over and over. Faster than you can react .\
Edit: And as alphazealot said, for all intents of the game(coding wise), mk doesnt exist during idc, and this can be done for an unlimited amount of time. This is broken. It is banned, but mk does not have to be banned. And as i said, proove us its not broken by hosting your own tourneys, dont let all the burden of proof lie on us. Your making accusations, not the other way around.
lol I remember yuna used to keep saying the burden of proof lied on the people who wanted things banned and so did a lot of the other anti ban group. Funny how things shifted now.http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_wxAsoU2kSc
3:36 to 3:39, how is that not broken if used over and over. Faster than you can react .\
Edit: And as alphazealot said, for all intents of the game(coding wise), mk doesnt exist during idc, and this can be done for an unlimited amount of time. This is broken. It is banned, but mk does not have to be banned. And as i said, proove us its not broken by hosting your own tourneys, dont let all the burden of proof lie on us. Your making accusations, not the other way around.
Normally, this is the case. However, IDCs original ban dealt with the stalling nature of it. Basically, it was thought that their was no way to make a clear, enforeceable, non-arbitrary, and non-subjective rule to allow IDC AND eliminate stalling with it.Burrito: that's because in both cases the side is arguing against what is already in place, and therefore need to prove why their point *should* be the case.
Let's say that MK was banned. It would then be the burden of the pro-MK side to come up with reasons not to ban. Likewise, as IDC is banned, it's up to people who want it to change to provide the evidence. Not to hard to understand really.
don't you think that having a rule that forces people to win or lose despite how well they play is bad. that i could never even try to attack and still win.Normally, this is the case. However, IDCs original ban dealt with the stalling nature of it. Basically, it was thought that their was no way to make a clear, enforeceable, non-arbitrary, and non-subjective rule to allow IDC AND eliminate stalling with it.
Unfortunantely, despite that point being proven false, the now "keep-ban side" are falling back on points they not only didn't use pre-ban, but also didn't even prove. They've only used ONE video to justify those points despite how poorly the video proves anything.