The Official "Should/Will Metaknight be banned?" Thread (LISTEN TO THE SBR PODCAST!)

[Deleted member]

But it does show a desire to help the community at least, which I do respect.

Exactly. Though it does seem like loaded advice to me, as he mains Meta Knight.

 

[Justblaze647]

Guys...seriously..DO NOT overestimate someone because of skill or reputation or w/e.

Not me, not XIF, not M2K..not anyone.

Judge for yourself and think for yourself.

I kno it's already been done... but


Quoted for truth

 

[VulgarHandGestures]

i for one am pretty pissed that, as far as i know, blazblue is only being released on the ps3

 

[Espy Rose]

Guilty Gears is sooo much sexier.
it has Baiken.

Ding ding ding ding ding!!

 

[Dark Sonic]

Ding ding ding ding ding!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K-u8Acbwcc

Chip is a better Ninja than Baiken. He throws shurikens, he's got that cool lightning freeze jutsu thing, he turn invisible!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfYTdxtVBAk (mindgame/mixup video. Not combo video)

And he teleports.

lol.

 

[Deleted member]

i for one am pretty pissed that, as far as i know, blazblue is only being released on the ps3

The PS3 has the best D-Pad of all the consoles... until you get an arcade stick!

I have all three btw. :embarrass

 

[S.B.Soldier]

i guess until the next tournament i cannot try my MK defeat theory with my main... hmm

 

[Espy Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K-u8Acbwcc

Chip is a better Ninja than Baiken. He throws shurikens, he's got that cool lightning freeze jutsu thing, he turn invisible!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfYTdxtVBAk (mindgame/mixup video. Not combo video)

And he teleports.

lol.

She's a ONE ARMED SAMURAI.

With a giant bazooka hidden in her outfit.

/discussion.

 

[*_Echo_*]

Different games. Different match durations, different capability to punish for mistakes, different impact for having a slight advantage. Lack of stages greatly impacting character ability to compare that aspect to (MK doesn't really have bad stages the way everyone else in the game does, too.) Different numbers of top-end players.

So here's what MK has: Not only is he neutral -> better against everyone, he's neutral -> better on every stage. That's an advantage that nobody else can claim, I believe not even Marth if MK is gone.

Yes, you can say everything I listed isn't a reason to not look at banning MK -- but it doesn't matter if it won't work, the point of a ban is to improve this game's tournament community and longevity, not Soul Caliber's tournament community.

um yoshi's island pipes mk sucks on that stage!

 

[S.B.Soldier]

MK is pretty bad on green greens (melee) as well

 

[ShadowLink84]

Baiken is a ronin not a ninja sooooo you fail.

Besides baiken can kick *** and she is missing an eye and an arm.

Oh and she's a female too. +1 or me.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

what's with the sudden guilty gear talk?

(Dizzy is the best)

 

[S.B.Soldier]

metaknight is ok for now.. the games too new to ban him

 

[GofG]

S.B.Soldier, rtft.

 

[salaboB]

um yoshi's island pipes mk sucks on that stage!

I believe that one was discredited far earlier in the thread, MK can benefit from the close edges as much as anyone can use them against him.

 

[WITH]

its funny how everyone's "all time favorite character" used to be fox, but suddenly everyone has always loved meta and nobody plays their old "favorite character"

dont a lot of poeple like the pokemon trainer character???

just say it like it is, no bull please

 

[Darxmarth23]

i think we should wait. give MK a good year or so. If we cant find a way to pwn him then bann him.

 

[WITH]

i think we should wait. give MK a good year or so. If we cant find a way to pwn him then bann him.

i love how these clever responses just keep coming. thank you for adding to the conversation, and everyone else who has done so for the last 1000 pages

 

[Reaperman64]

mk isnt as good as people make out tbh

 

[Dark Marth 99]

mk isnt as good as people make out tbh

whats the difference between u and me

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

mk isnt as good as people make out tbh

may I ask for some reasoning and proof behind this?

 

[Dark Marth 99]

i love how these clever responses just keep coming. thank you for adding to the conversation, and everyone else who has done so for the last 1000 pages

QFT like seriously 9/10th of whats posted here is spam

 

[Deleted member]

QFT like seriously 9/10th of whats posted here is spam

People want to toast legendary bread.

The end of Meta Knight is nigh, my friend.

 

[Dark Marth 99]

oops double post

 

[Gindler]

its funny how everyone's "all time favorite character" used to be fox, but suddenly everyone has always loved meta and nobody plays their old "favorite character"

dont a lot of poeple like the pokemon trainer character???

just say it like it is, no bull please

I noticed this too...not many people stuck with their favorite character from melee (i did though )

 

[da K.I.D.]

She's a ONE ARMED SAMURAI.

With a giant bazooka hidden in her outfit.

/discussion.

you forgot that the fact that she smokes makes her cool too (is he kidding? im not sure. he sounds serious. but he could be joking too )

in my recent memory, chipp is the only ninja thatis actually a ninja.
he uses an armblade.
he uses shurikens
he hides in the shadows
hes super fast and agile,
he sets actual ninja traps
and he beats the hell out of everyone in that game, without even being a gear

chipp is the best hands down

also, when and if i want sex appeal from guilty gear, ill play jam, or millia


on topic:
MK should be banne, theres really no concrete factual reason not to, the only thing people can come up with is speculation.

also, In melee i played the person i was best with (ganon) i really had no ties, especially since ive never played a zelda game for more than 2 hours. but i definitely play my favorite character now

 

[DanGR]

on topic:
MK should be banne, theres really no concrete factual reason not to, the only thing people can come up with is speculation

Guilty until proven innocent? That's not the way the community should approach this.

 

[Reaperman64]

Darkmarth wrote:

whats the difference between u and me


dunno several thousand miles? 42? about 3 inches of height?

dunno i give up tell me:D

 

[Reaperman64]

burrito wrote:

may I ask for some reasoning and proof behind this?

you may

low priority attacks that lock him in...time it right and you can hit mk with ikes smashes that he cant avoid

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Rey Ryu

Pfft, if, buts... he switched to Meta Knight. It is of little relevance whether he may or may not have won with Lucario. The same goes for these magical counters and strategies that haven't been found yet, that will apparently flip the meta-game on its head.

It'd completely relevant when we're talking about how much MK crushes the other characters and how well other characters can perform under the settings.

Again, he was at his last stock in the Lucario matches, just like in two of his MK matches he was on his last stock. The fifth match was the only one where he kept two stocks and even then Azen was at a high percentage.

 

[Deleted member]

Guilty until proven innocent? That's not the way the community should approach this.

No, there is plenty of proof that Meta Knight is broken [in match-ups]. There is no solid proof otherwise as that is the only possible truth in the matter, so, unless it changes, that's how it is. Thus, as KID said, the only valid against argument is speculative, which has been how we've handled it for months. Nothing has changed.

 

[Phaazoid]

Right now, the one reason i think meta-knight should NEVER be banned, is because that yes, if there are no good match-ups against him, i can see a problem, but if we ban him, then no one will EVER find good match-ups against him. there probably is some weakness against meta that no one has found yet. there's a 0% chance that we know everything there is to know about MK and all of his matchups. there is a 0% chance that we will ever know everything about all of meta-knights matchups, but there's a ****ed good chance we'll learn a lot more if we don't ban him.

the main point I'm trying to get across is, nobody really wants to ban a character unless it's necessary. I can see why it might be necessary to ban characters. I would hate to see an un-usable character in the game(like mewtwo, sunovabtich). and the best way to STOP this from happening is to keep him legal so people are pushed to try extra hard to find counters against him.

I personally main G@W, with lucas as my second. I play characters based on their feel, and my ability to piss-off my opponents with them. G@W speaks for himself on both levels, and lucas's upsmash gets many of my friends to throw their controllers. even though I know meta-knight is really good, the reason i don't play him as much is because I feel i can't learn characters that if i don't like their general feel. I like characters like G@W, annoying, but packs a punch, with several 1-hit KO moves, and can trip people up, where they can't predict what i'll do next. meta? the reason i don't switch to him is because I would rather play characters who's strategies i like than go with the flow.

I don't know, but I hope this post hopes sway the debate a little... I'd really hate to see a character banned in a game I rever..

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

edit:^ at this point in the game no one will find a weakness against MK the best bet would be to find a strength for another character to be used on MK.

EL once said that MK is to good at the basics of this game which pretty much means he has no weakness.

burrito wrote:

may I ask for some reasoning and proof behind this?

you may

low priority attacks that lock him in...time it right and you can hit mk with ikes smashes that he cant avoid

I think I can actually laugh at you and that would qualify as a rebuttal to your argument.

You have no idea how wrong you are. As long as the MK is capable of using the shield button then he can avoid Ike's smashes.

 

[Reaperman64]

the btilt cant be shield canceled neither can he stop his smash attack halfway through,

im not saying allways use smashes but his b combo has greater priority than most mks attacks

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Btilt? Bcombo what the hell are you talking about?

and yes He can stop ike's smash half way trough it. Ike can do it too.

 

[Steel]

"Why is this thread here? Go post this in the existing MK thread. "


Samuraipanda told me to come here, but there's no Marth v D3 discussion here =(

 

[~ Gheb ~]

the btilt cant be shield canceled neither can he stop his smash attack halfway through,

im not saying allways use smashes but his b combo has greater priority than most mks attacks

tihs man speks teh truth!!11one

 

[Reaperman64]

soz Aforward what ever you wanna call it and A combo.

you have to time smashes so mk doesnt get close

gheb i sense your mocking me

 

[Crackle]

So the question is whether Meta Knight will ever get a counter or not.

And if not, then we should ban him.

I think the character threads should all make their own match up thread called "Can You beat Meta Knight" or something as such. Then if none of the threads come with an answer, the ban looks like the only way to keep the game alive.

This Meta Knight fever that people are talking about really is happening. I picked up Meta Knight off of my Falco to try him out, and as it turns out, I'm better with him in almost every situation - including new ones I am picking up like edge-camping. I run a club at my local high school, and as it has happened, I tried Meta Knight in a competitive tournament we held, and seeing how well I did ALL OTHER COMPETITIVE MEMBERS picked up Meta Knight as well.

This is ridiculous, not only have I been struck with Meta Knight fever, I got such a contagious case that my club is using it. And as the tournament rankings have shown, Meta Knight fever is spreading just about everywhere out there.

I love using Meta Knight as my main right now, but I think I will ban him myself from my club, and promote the idea that tournaments experiment without Meta Knight's presence.


Edit: As it happens, pretty much all character boards have such threads up on countering Meta Knight and still have no true answers. Therefore I say it is pretty much clear that Meta Knight shouldn't stay.

 

[wangston]

Meta Knight is a get rich scam. Hooray for money!!!!!!!!!