Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
I blame peer pressure for my avatar.
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The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0
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quoted from the TL matchup discussion
this pretty much explains it lol
there are probably more reasons than that...
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poor yoshi cant jump out of shield haha
Just abuse that and it becomes fun
quoted from the TL matchup discussion
this pretty much explains it lol
there are probably more reasons than that...
TheUmbreonMonarchy
Smash Cadet
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I <3 Wario's new placement. The garlic eating *** shaker deserved it.
u probably do cause if you didn't, then your boards don't experiment which isn't true at allWe have our ways around that, you know.
Gindler
Smash Champion
Ha, I saw him cheat at florida gaming. He got grabbed by ICs and while mashing he paused the game messing up the chain, and didn't let them regrab you like you're supposed to
Sly sly devil.
We can always just take the projectiles all day since TL can't kill
...well not someone as heavy as wario anyway.At least his shield is the cutest
we can kill, but we have to work our ***es off to do itWe can always just take the projectiles all day since TL can't kill
At least his shield is the cutest
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
That can be said about any character who has no kill moves.
that's why I said it
Inui
Banned via Warnings
Hey, this fad belongs to the SBR! Gtfo!LOL TOPHAT AND MONOCLE CRAZE!
I love SWF. <3
My avatar is so epic.
<3
Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
SWF fads. What do you guys think you are? The Sonic boards?
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
I'm gonna say it, Mario has the potential to rise, and I'm not talking about in the vacuum, I'm talking about being better then at least Bowser and everyone below him and moving to the bottom of C tier.
Combine his already good gimp game with one of the most amazing ATs in the entire game (basically, ledge invincibility gone and they're frozen for a while if it's used it at the right time when the ledge is sweet-spotted ) and you've got mario as one of the best gimpers in the game because that turns almost everyone's recovery into melee Ganondorf's.
But Mario players need to get off their butts and learn the timing for it, cause it doesn't require inhuman reflexes or inputs every other frame for a sustained period (aka, not humanly possible) but the timing is extremely strict. It's definitely worth it though.
And then they need to place.
Combine his already good gimp game with one of the most amazing ATs in the entire game (basically, ledge invincibility gone and they're frozen for a while if it's used it at the right time when the ledge is sweet-spotted ) and you've got mario as one of the best gimpers in the game because that turns almost everyone's recovery into melee Ganondorf's.
But Mario players need to get off their butts and learn the timing for it, cause it doesn't require inhuman reflexes or inputs every other frame for a sustained period (aka, not humanly possible) but the timing is extremely strict. It's definitely worth it though.
And then they need to place.
Please?
Everybody on SWF is one the sonic boards anyway, so it doesn't matter.SWF fads. What do you guys think you are? The Sonic boards?
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Then why aint my name purple. XDHey, this fad belongs to the SBR! Gtfo!
<3
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
I have to agree with one thing. If you say your character is on the rise, you need to give examples of characters they beat out.
For instance, ZSS IMO beats most of high tier; ROB, Kirby, ICs, Olimar, G&W, but perhaps not Pikachu because I think Pikachu is ridiculous, and perhaps not Marth (although she is more tourney viable than Marth). I gave reasoning for why I think so.
You have to say more than "Lucas is on the rise, guys!" Tell us who he beats. Most people here are pretty reasonable and will hear you out without jumping all over you as long as you're not completely ridiculous.
For instance, ZSS IMO beats most of high tier; ROB, Kirby, ICs, Olimar, G&W, but perhaps not Pikachu because I think Pikachu is ridiculous, and perhaps not Marth (although she is more tourney viable than Marth). I gave reasoning for why I think so.
You have to say more than "Lucas is on the rise, guys!" Tell us who he beats. Most people here are pretty reasonable and will hear you out without jumping all over you as long as you're not completely ridiculous.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
I've upstaged you all with my mustache. It's better then Mario's.
kingcobra9
Smash Ace
this is off topic but supermodel why is your name so
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Because when you make a tag, you have three choices:
1. Super cool ninja name like "Hihjitsu Saija" or random Japanese name that you made up
2. Nick name or phrase followed by a number or 7 numbers
3. Video game character misspelled or leet-ized.
I didn't want to do any of those so I chose this. It was either Supermodel From Paris or Jeanne d'Arc's Estranged Pagan Brother, but the latter didn't fit.
Or you're a god.
like me
like me
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Or you have a username you wish you could change.
Like me.
Like me.
I agree. There's a ton of testing that could still be done on a few aspects of his current metagame. That's one of the main things. We still don't have a list of who it works on; the only high tier we have is Marth IIRC.
There is NO mustache in existence more awesome than Mario's.
/yunabolding
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Lol, he's not my character, I found out about this AT when we were discussing Zelda with the Mario boards (basically, they didn't believe that Zelda could redirect her teleport as many times as she wants before she disappears, and that some of the stuff that I was saying about how this affected Zelda's recovery was too difficult, citing this AT as an example about how stuff like that shouldn't be used in match-up discussions. I went to their boards, researched it, and basically said, "wtf noobs, why aren't you using this, it's awesome!"
It totally changed my opinions of what Mario is capable of because it's such a massive change to what is safe in terms of ledge games. Only a select few characters can completely get around it (MK, Snake). I'm actually not sure how much it affects his metagame, because I'm not too positive on his match-ups, but there are enough characters that I know it will allow him to either beat or totally destroy to at least merit C tier.
Ironically, Zelda's teleport makes her one of the least affected, so it didn't really change the match-up that we were actually discussing.
Fixed.
Yes, I created this name in Latin.
edit:
Thank you. I cited this in your "tier position discussion" but it was sort of ignored.
But this fact alone makes me believe Mario is both underrepresented and underrated, now, practice with it, please. I'd love to see how it affects Mario's placements.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
lol, fadedimage has a video for dash attack locks coming soon in which he demonstrates DALs by locking Wario all the way across Bridge of Eldin and then gimping him with an ftilt. That's the rumor. ZSS for high tier.
Cape is an enigma wrapped in broken physics.
Example: This was JUST discovered about 10 minutes ago. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=237893
More research needs to be put in on the cape in general, ALONG with this particular AT.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
the cape is similar to Lucas's side B. It multiplies momentum.
So get ***** if you move that fast.
So get ***** if you move that fast.
fromundaman
Henshin a go-go Baby!
I'm sorry, but the World champions of Beard and Mustache beg to differ:
http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/
lmao....those are some awesome beards...
But Mario's tops all of them...remember Mario 64?
Edit:
*Capes Lucas during his sideB and watches him fly the length of FD*
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
he suicides off the top if you cape him during a zap jump.
Sonic can suicide on the PS2 stadium if you cape him during a spring.
Same for Wario's down B. Funny stuff
Sonic can suicide on the PS2 stadium if you cape him during a spring.
Same for Wario's down B. Funny stuff
bigman40
Smash Master
For anyone that argues for Yoshi's position anymore, just drop it already. He should be bottom tier. He's not a good character.
I've done the Wario downB one before, but doesn't Sonic have invincibility on spring start-up? Unless you mean later in the animation...
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
you can do it athe start of his spring.
Its invincible around frame 8 or so.
Its invincible around frame 8 or so.
Turbo Ether
Smash Master
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If Yoshi had a regular shield he would be midtier. Maybe.
Paranormalsin
Smash Ace
think if he had a normal shield, he could DR and DT out of it, thus bringing him higher :D
anyway, more serious, if yoshi had a normal shield hed be mid, thats in my opinion anyway.
(yes i know dr and dt is situational at best)
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
This man speaks the truth.
Interestingly enough, a lot of this should apply to pit because his mirror shield has very similar properties.
Who here knows what it does to ganondorf when you cape a reverse warlock punch?
I can say that I know where mario will ultimately end up, but I can say that the cape has AMAZING potential, and if the Mario boards are diligent, he could yet become a **** character.
I'm really looking foreward to seeing what becomes of Mario over the lifespan of brawl.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Adumbrodeus the shield and mario cape act differently.
The cape affects the movement of an individual rather than the attack.
While pit's shield will affect the attack rather than the movement itself.
I think.
The cape affects the movement of an individual rather than the attack.
While pit's shield will affect the attack rather than the movement itself.
I think.
infomon
Smash Scientist
One of the first melee tourneys I was at.... ~60 entrants.... there were three ppl with GOD in their game tag:
GOD
GOD?
!GOD
the ! prefix in programming is often used as negation. So we had one guy sure he was GOD, one guy who was sure he wasn't GOD, and one guy who couldn't decide either way.
iirc GOD? won the tourney...... with a beastin' Luigi
tl;dr: GOD is so unoriginal
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