Kinzer
Mammy
It's just too bad everybody already knows that.
This is why I love the true SBR, they got cool people up there. >.>
This is why I love the true SBR, they got cool people up there. >.>
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The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v2.0
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PKNintendo
Smash Master
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Umm, honestly they don't suck that bad. Alot of the low tiers (realistically, speaking: Mario, Sonic, Yoshi and Ness) have excellent matchups, and can put a good a fight in some high tier matchups.
Deathcarter
Smash Lord
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I'd wish it was practical for the SBR to make a tier list for who would make the best doubles partner presently. Frankly, it would be nice for one to be made because I simply find a lot of debate in its order, moreso than a singles tier list; everyone would have a hard time figuring out whether or not Snake, Game & Watch, or Meta Knight would be at the top of that tier list. Just throwing it out there as an idea to be alongside the fourth addition of the tier list whenever that would be made.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
For all of you making "homegrown" tier lists, I felt like I might as well post Ike's recent metagame advancements in this topic so that you can weight his assets better (Though of course Ike haters will be Ike haters, not much I can do there 
). These are all of this month, by the way:
Back Throw to Dash Attack is a true combo on even more characters than was originally thought (Ike's grab game is better.)
Ike has a 0-60% combo on Bowser via a Back Throw chaingrab that culminates in the aforementioned Bthrow to Dash Attack combo. (Ike v Bowser goes from evenish to ...not so good for Bowser)
Ike has a pivot grab infinite on Wario from a grab release, whearas previously his standing grab was too low to grab Wario. (Match-up goes from Ike's disadvantage to evenish [Hey, even the Wario boards acknowledged this and made it go from 40:60 to 45:55!]).
Ike's worst match-up, Olimar, is no longer superbad due to the fact that Olimar can no longer shieldgrab everything Ike does. This is due to advancements found for Nair and how it gives Ike enough time to spotdodge or roll away from the grab if properly shielded, even if blocked. (I can't give a number summary for how much this helps Ike, but it takes away the major thing Ike had against him in the match, take a wild guess!)
So yeah, Ike's metagame is actually advancing nicely.
). These are all of this month, by the way:Back Throw to Dash Attack is a true combo on even more characters than was originally thought (Ike's grab game is better.)
Ike has a 0-60% combo on Bowser via a Back Throw chaingrab that culminates in the aforementioned Bthrow to Dash Attack combo. (Ike v Bowser goes from evenish to ...not so good for Bowser)
Ike has a pivot grab infinite on Wario from a grab release, whearas previously his standing grab was too low to grab Wario. (Match-up goes from Ike's disadvantage to evenish [Hey, even the Wario boards acknowledged this and made it go from 40:60 to 45:55!]).
Ike's worst match-up, Olimar, is no longer superbad due to the fact that Olimar can no longer shieldgrab everything Ike does. This is due to advancements found for Nair and how it gives Ike enough time to spotdodge or roll away from the grab if properly shielded, even if blocked. (I can't give a number summary for how much this helps Ike, but it takes away the major thing Ike had against him in the match, take a wild guess!)
So yeah, Ike's metagame is actually advancing nicely.
Hive Mind
Smash Journeyman
big reason why ness is low is the marth infinite, so i don't think he would suck that horribly.
M.K
Level 55
For the last freaking time, they have found ways to escape the infinite. My lord.
Hive Mind
Smash Journeyman
oh. sorry, i did not realize that. The last freaking time? I should lurk more.
wh1te5had0w
Smash Journeyman
sheik is too low
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
im tired of this stuff honestly,For all of you making "homegrown" tier lists, I felt like I might as well post Ike's recent metagame advancements in this topic so that you can weight his assets better (Though of course Ike haters will be Ike haters, not much I can do there
Back Throw to Dash Attack is a true combo on even more characters than was originally thought (Ike's grab game is better.)
Ike has a 0-60% combo on Bowser via a Back Throw chaingrab that culminates in the aforementioned Bthrow to Dash Attack combo. (Ike v Bowser goes from evenish to ...not so good for Bowser)
Ike has a pivot grab infinite on Wario from a grab release, whearas previously his standing grab was too low to grab Wario. (Match-up goes from Ike's disadvantage to evenish [Hey, even the Wario boards acknowledged this and made it go from 40:60 to 45:55!]).
Ike's worst match-up, Olimar, is no longer superbad due to the fact that Olimar can no longer shieldgrab everything Ike does. This is due to advancements found for Nair and how it gives Ike enough time to spotdodge or roll away from the grab if properly shielded, even if blocked. (I can't give a number summary for how much this helps Ike, but it takes away the major thing Ike had against him in the match, take a wild guess!)
So yeah, Ike's metagame is actually advancing nicely.
this is ikes recent metagame advancements right? over what? tha last month? 3 months? any character could throw out nuance stuff like that that has been found for their character. none of this list should really be accounted for in the tier list. just because every low tier can throw down a list just as big or even bigger than the one you posted.
If anything, the only thing i derive from that list is that theres one more reason why wario should be lower than what he is
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Not necessarily. A lot of character metagames are slowing down. (it said last month in the post BTW). Making Ike's worse match-up not quite as bad, making a neutral an advantage, and finding more ways to rack up easy damage are all very good things for Ike, and prove that is metagame isn't stale yet.
And they should be accounted for in the tier list, as it's part of the character. >_> Not counting that stuff would be like randomly not adding in Sonic's spring gimps, or something like that. Very small in the big picture? Yes. Does it still add a bit of weight to the character's positioning, no matter how small it was? Yes it does.
pokemon_legend
Smash Journeyman
how is fox getting so low I mean even bowser is higher what is next fox being 37 but i'm happy that falco is 3rd
Collective of Bears
King of Hug Style
Fox is going to get knocked down to 38th.
M.K
Level 55
It has been stated as an explanation to Ness's low ranking for countless arguments, I didn't mean to come off so harshly.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Bowser is a better character than Fox, though...
streetracr77
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Bowser>Fox
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poekmon
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
This.
..and this.
EDIT: ..and what frown said
Bowser is an overall better character then fox.
People deny it because there stuck in the past and that causes a lot of misinformed things like "Bowser has bad range" or "He's big so you shouldn't have much trouble with him".
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Bowser King
Collective of Bears
King of Hug Style
You'd think they'd learn that size doesn't really matter as much anymore, with Dedede and Snake being tier giants and stuff like that.Bowser is an overall better character then fox.
People deny it because there stuck in the past and that causes a lot of misinformed things like "Bowser has bad range" or "He's big so you shouldn't have much trouble with him".
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Kinzer
Mammy
Meta Knight is small.
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
I think you misread something. He never said only big chars are high/top tier. He said size deosn't matter as proven by the different sizes of top tiers.
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Bowser King
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
I think you misread something.I think you misread something. He never said only big chars are high/top tier. He said size deosn't matter as proven by the different sizes of top tiers.
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He was joking.
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
No he wasn't.
If he was he obviously forgot his [JOKE] [/JOKE] tags
Remember, jokes don't go very well on the internet unless it's something like knock-knock jokes
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Bowser King
Kinzer
Mammy
SWF needs that format it does, because he/she was right about me kidding, and even though the big guys got a bone thrown their way, the small/fast guys still reign dominant.
Course somebody could argue why C.Falc is in bot tier, but then I'll just say that he is too manly for tiers, and Sonic should still be Steak tier.
Course somebody could argue why C.Falc is in bot tier, but then I'll just say that he is too manly for tiers, and Sonic should still be Steak tier.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
70% of the internet is devoted to humour, and it is all to be found of worth in a Forum. Jokes just take a little more intelligence to understand when only conveyed through text, and the internet is unfortunatley low on intelligence.
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
Actually, most jokes should be left out of debates or discussions because a lot of the times, seeing it is a serious area, people will look past the thought of it being a joke and take the idea to be someones opinion. Unless it's extremely obvious like "CF is high tier".
Also, it is very possible that kinzer COULD have misread that post.
Back on topic now?
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Bowser King
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Captain Falcon > Metaknight
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
See, this is a good example.
He's obviously joking and it's pretty easy to tell seeing the thing he said and at the point he said it (not in the middle of a argument).
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Bowser King
I agree, captain falcon is broken. No wonder hes banned at every tournament.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Don't get me started on tards who like to have their "Intellectual debates" on a forum. This is a game forum. The only posts to be found of worth are thsoe that are funny and those related to the game.
Yes. It's very easy to see he's not serious. Unfortunately it's not funny. You have a serious problem if you have nos ense of humour.See, this is a good example.
He's obviously joking and it's pretty easy to tell seeing the thing he said and at the point he said it (not in the middle of a argument).
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Bowser King
Have It Your Way
If you haven't noticed by now, a lot of smashboards likes to debate. We even have our own room for it.
Thanks for calling everyone who likes to debate on the internet a tard though.
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Bowser King
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Not all of them, but a large amount.
If you haven't noticed by now, a lot of smashboards likes to debate. We even have our own room for it.
Thanks for calling everyone who likes to debate on the internet a tard though.
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You're welcome.
I <3 your inflated ego.
(and when you try to enter one-character tournaments as "random"
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Internet debate on a forum is just as valid as debate through any other form of communication. It just so happens that internet debate through a forum has a very open audience, and people often say very dumb things (which are generally very quickly rebutted).
Kinzer
Mammy
Actually, he was quite serious.See, this is a good example.
He's obviously joking and it's pretty easy to tell seeing the thing he said and at the point he said it (not in the middle of a argument).
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Seriously, Captain Falcon and his maniless are too good, probably even more BANworthy than MK.
I don't care how obvious it is he gets outclassed, nobody has just yet to harness his true powers.
Get a sense of humor man, the internet is not serious business contrary to popular belief.
Anyway I think it's pretty much settled what is, and all we do is wait until June or something when 3.0 goes out, then we all start a riot again.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
I'm an acquired taste.
Except like the ones where it might actually lead to something?
It's nothing to do with people saying dumb things. I dislike many of the people with very valid views and facts. People just get far too self righteous and elitist about it and generally act like tools.
thesage
Smash Hero
You guys are debating on the internet about the legitimacy of debating on the internet.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
Haha. Pretty much yeah. But I'm only referring to people devoting massive amounts of time to their little hot topic debates. Gay Marriage, Religion etc. You can't expect people to ever get by without disagreeing with each other. S'all good.
thesage
Smash Hero
Perhaps some people enjoy debating? I find it really stimulating for my brain.
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
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Want to tell me exactly why it's stimulating?
Edit: Let me clarify here. I'm sounding a bit dismissive and rude without reason. It's not the idea of debating on a forum that I dislike, I have no problem with it as long as you have the right attitude about it. it's simply how people act when doing so suffice to say very rarely do people have the right attitude about it. I've been around quite a few forums in my time and it never tends to change. But I'll try to keep an open mind maybe Smashboards is different. But my hopes are certainly not held close to heart. Also I die a little inside when people just throw the word "Strawmanning" at everyone they don't feel like actually thinking up a response for. God I hate that word.
I still find it stupid how you said it stimulates the brain though.
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
..but the internet CAN be serious business. If you deny that then you obviously haven't realized what smashboards is filled with. A bunch of serious people debating over a game and making points about it. I'm not saying it's ALL debating but it does happen quite often.
Also, I do have sense of humor. You barely know me and you make a blunt comments like that.
Exactly.
Lets just leave it at "People enjoy debating".
If you don't care to debate then don't enter one (which happens quite often here). No ones forcing you but you don't need to call the people who enjoy it tards.
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Bowser King
Xiahou Dun
Smash Ace
That reminds me of something I forgot to fully mention. Part of that attitude problem I was on about was how people act towards people who don't want to participate in their debates with them. How people have an ego problem and seem to think their debates are somehow more meaningful then other threads. Those are the tards. And I will call them whatever I please. If it doesn't apply to you then good I have no problem with you so please don't take offense. But it does apply to many.Lets just leave it at "People enjoy debating".
If you don't care to debate then don't enter one (which happens quite often here). No ones forcing you but you don't need to call the people who enjoy it tards.
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