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and why the hell should i care?? a lot people can agree or disagree with me. matchups dont flow with me a lot of the time. if i'm playing with pit then yeah it matters. if snake no because hes good and with falcon, i have a uphill battle to go with. i'm sort of like rebaz but not as good as him.
You just said matchups are irrelevant if a character is good. I would like to know I pissed myself when I read that. The amounts of fail here are just unmeasurable.
I think they're both on their way up, Wario more so than Diddy.
Er..GnW has some crappy high tier matchups and so does Marth. Marth's range isn't "too good" it doesn't contend with the best ranged brawlers in the game. On the ground, he is outranged by Snake, DK, D3, Bowser, Ike, Link, ZSS, MK, ROB, Olimar, and is outranged by some other characters' good spacing moves like Mario, Ganon and Lucario which amounts to like half of the cast. His aerial range is inferior to DK, Link, Ike, Bowser and ZSS. So range isn't his strength, it's his disjointedness if anything. But still, I don't see how he's superior to Wario or Diddy. As for GnW..Well, he seems highly overrated and has some random crap matchups like Marth and DK.
While this is true, the man makes a good point. Marth's range isn't as great as it's put out to be.
Its good enough to knock olimar out of his grabs that is for sure
G&W is most certainly not going up.
Not that I'm aware of.
He's just a wall of stats, but he's too slow to make great use of it like Melee Marth did. He's only going to go lower as people figure out how to play him, because nothing outside of Bucket Braking seems to have been brought to light. Why anyone has trouble with Game and Watch nowadays is beyond me.
It's ironic that the most creatively made and random character in the game is so blah.
Which is why he's going nowhere but down. I think come next tier list, he'll be bumped down at least 2 spots.
Diddy, Wario, and Olimar are definitely possible candidates.
I would also really like to see less tiers. I think having MK and Snake in an S tier, and then having the standard 5 tiers would be an optimal way to make the tier list. (so 6 tiers total)
Name one? You guys have it set in your minds that marth is a god of range, but go into the game and see for yourselves. I also forgot Zard and Ivysaur who outrange him on the ground and in the air. As for Bowser..Go into the game and compare their fairs, Bowser's actually has better range. You wouldn't think it does, but it does. Before you dog me for saying something, go check to see if it's true.
Er..Yes, yes you can. Marth can have 80 moves that cover 2 inches of screen length but if a character has 1 reliable move that covers 3, he's outranged. Period. Look at the characters I listed. D3, F tilt. Reliable for spacing, heavily outranges Marth. That's one move, but it makes the difference. I also differentiated between outranging marth in the ground and in the air, if you'd read my original post. Low damage? Well, Ivy's bair and fair beat Marth's range in the air, and they are easy to use for spacing. Fsmash also beats Marth's range on the ground, and F tilt contends with it. The jabs also contend, as well as D tilt. F smash has plenty of power. Damage doesn't decide a move's effectiveness as far as spacing is concerned. DK's F tilt only does 10 damage but it still demolishes Marth's ground game from a distance. I took all of this into account when listing these characters.
Many of Ivysaur's ranged moves actually do nice damage or have good properties to make up for low damage. F-Tilt regularly does 17% if the entire attack hits. F-Smash is about the same, even if it's fairly unsafe, but it pulls back before the attack, so it can be used as a counter move of sorts. B-Air is literally lagless when you land, so it's ridiculously spammable when used with various jumping maneuvers, such as empty short-hops, and double B-Airs in a full-hop. F-Air has nice range and deals 10%, which is pretty decent; 's also a good KO move when fresh. D-Tilt has decent range, hits twice, and comes out on Frame 3 (if I'm not mistaken), so there's a lot of good points in that.
