The Official Ohio Brawl Power Rankings (11/25/12: NEW RANKINGS UPDATED!)

[ArgentStew]

Wow, I have found this thread to be depressing (for lack of a milder term) but this recent talk is like a new low. Anyway...

@KB - I would probably have been one of those people that would have "settled for HM", but that's only because for the longest time it seemed like no matter what I did or who I beat I couldn't even make that. Besides I feel like I stepped my game up anyway.

@Kassandra - If you were talking about me, I was not intending for my message to be holding that win over anyone's head. That was just a big win for me, and it especially sticks out in my mind since that was a time when I felt like I was playing at my prime.

 

[KassandraNova]

I can understand what you're saying KB.

I'm trying my hardest here. lmao
xD

 

[Sovereign]

Funny how you're all still as inactive and unorganized as you were back when I still played. One of the reasons I went and picked up the game I liked much less at the time.

Gotta love that Midwest Melee hype...oh wait. LOL

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The Midwest (both games) has always had this vibe of apathy to it, something that I can't quite put my finger on. I just know that I can't stand it and it feels like my passion for the game is going to waste. I felt so much better after playing people at HOBO 32 and Pound 5, but I never feel like I've improved after one of ours.

I'm not deliberately trying to slam our region, nor would I want to, but this lack of "fire" really bothers me a lot. We had it going on for a little while there, but then...people stopped caring, people stopped trying to usurp Shugo (excluding Y.b.M., Kel, myself, and even Clowsui), and people on here are actually arguing to be on HMs in a tone that seems like they'd be content with at least that...which is pathetic to say the least. This list is what it is, we will be working off of this one from here on out. GO HARD in brackets, aim for high spots in the list, **** everyone and take names...no one should ever settle for anything less than that. Wake the **** up Ohio!

I feel like this infection has hit IN as well, and it's more than pissing me off. It started with Ren, and it's trickled down to other players, as well. Even most of the Knees have lost their fire to play, and I fill like the crew has fallen a part in some areas. Even GK isn't as active as it used to be, imo. Anywho, we need to collaborate as a scene instead of individual states and do something that'll force everyone in each state to want to get better.

tl;dr = Midwest PR pl0x

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I shall become a Knee of Justice and battle against the God Kais.

 

[DtJ Composer]

The biggest problem with Indiana is that three people drive--one of them has been in Illinois, one of them was in the Army, and one of them works every weekend to pay for his new apartment.
It doesn't help that when someone who isn't Count hosts a tournament, 10 people show up. It's hard to get motivated to host more tournaments when half your attendance johns out in the week before the tournament.

I stand behind the theory that the midwest needs more smashfests. Something that you don't have to necessarily dedicate as much money to, but you have plenty of variety of players to play against and if you really wanna put money up, you can MM forever and ever (plus you can do other fun stuff too, because that's just as important to a community as getting better is imo).

 

[MX778]

Wow, I have found this thread to be depressing (for lack of a milder term) but this recent talk is like a new low. Anyway...

@KB - I would probably have been one of those people that would have "settled for HM", but that's only because for the longest time it seemed like no matter what I did or who I beat I couldn't even make that. Besides I feel like I stepped my game up anyway.

Honestly, Argent. I think I'm beginning to feel the same way a little bit.

 

[What's The Point]

I just noticed that the title says new rankings from 1/09/2011 and the first post shows rankings from 10/05/2010.

 

[Luminoth64]

The biggest problem with Indiana is that three people drive--one of them has been in Illinois, one of them was in the Army, and one of them works every weekend to pay for his new apartment.
It doesn't help that when someone who isn't Count hosts a tournament, 10 people show up. It's hard to get motivated to host more tournaments when half your attendance johns out in the week before the tournament.

I stand behind the theory that the midwest needs more smashfests. Something that you don't have to necessarily dedicate as much money to, but you have plenty of variety of players to play against and if you really wanna put money up, you can MM forever and ever (plus you can do other fun stuff too, because that's just as important to a community as getting better is imo).

I sorry. Our group, like Sov said, is starting to lose their fire and thus it's a lot more expensive to travel to IN, Columbus or even KY tourneys. The only Knees from the Cincy area that even play anymore are Sora and myself. The other 5-6 have more or less retired. As for Cincy as a whole, people have moved away/are pre-occupied with something else so smashfests haven't been happening. Gkais and Knees need to play more though! Even though Sora and myself aren't on Infern/Y.b.M.'s level, the practice will make us better, teach you guys some odd MUs and make us all better as a whole. The only real problem is we don't have anywhere to host smashfests. (At least the Knees don't. XD)

 

[M@v]

<--Still thinks Argent should be ranked. Placed high every tourney I was at with him, and he's 1-1 with me when I was ranked 9th in PA. I'm ranked 5th now(First tourney I was officially ranked 5th in PA was viva Espana, hope and carroll fest I was still 9th).

Check his brackets I know he got at least a couple pretty good wins.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Sovereign, adopt me into the Knees of Justice. You can't have a Midwest based group without any representation from the sexiest, jankiest state in the region

 

[KassandraNova]

I sorry. Our group, like Sov said, is starting to lose their fire and thus it's a lot more expensive to travel to IN, Columbus or even KY tourneys. The only Knees from the Cincy area that even play anymore are Sora and myself. The other 5-6 have more or less retired. As for Cincy as a whole, people have moved away/are pre-occupied with something else so smashfests haven't been happening. Gkais and Knees need to play more though! Even though Sora and myself aren't on Infern/Y.b.M.'s level, the practice will make us better, teach you guys some odd MUs and make us all better as a whole. The only real problem is we don't have anywhere to host smashfests. (At least the Knees don't. XD)

....?

O_o
I still play...?

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

dont kid you've been in retirement for years

 

[Sovereign]

I shall become a Knee of Justice and battle against the God Kais.

I'd love that more than you'd know.

The biggest problem with Indiana is that three people drive--one of them has been in Illinois, one of them was in the Army, and one of them works every weekend to pay for his new apartment.
It doesn't help that when someone who isn't Count hosts a tournament, 10 people show up. It's hard to get motivated to host more tournaments when half your attendance johns out in the week before the tournament.

That was absolutely inexcusable. I didn't even make it in time to enter into brackets and I still showed up with a friend and an extra brawler. I couldn't believe the poor turnout. I also want people to understand that tournaments only get smaller have bad turnouts when the people that are worried about the turnout, don't show up themselves. So don't blame a tournaments popularity, when it's not heavily laden with money. Blame yourselves.

I stand behind the theory that the midwest needs more smashfests. Something that you don't have to necessarily dedicate as much money to, but you have plenty of variety of players to play against and if you really wanna put money up, you can MM forever and ever (plus you can do other fun stuff too, because that's just as important to a community as getting better is imo).

Let's get something together, Jake. I'll bring people to the Smashfests, and on top of that I need to lrn2Minus, really bad. I know my brothers will come, all 3 of'em, maybe my sister, too. Video will come, and maybe some others. I could possibly get Ren to come, as well. Just get something together, and I'll be more than willing to help get the support for it.

Sovereign, adopt me into the Knees of Justice. You can't have a Midwest based group without any representation from the sexiest, jankiest state in the region

Technically(lol no pun intented), it's not a Midwest-based group. It's more of a Cinci-based group, since I'm eventually moving to Cinci, at some point down the road.

 

[KassandraNova]

dont kid you've been in retirement for years

my secret...

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

my secret is still top secret


...

 

[Luminoth64]

You don't live in Cincinnati anymore Kass, so you weren't considered as retired haha. It's just not as simple as, 'hey let's play brawl after Bdubs!' anymore since people are spread out and busy. :/

 

[Deleted member]

<--Still thinks Argent should be ranked. Placed high every tourney I was at with him, and he's 1-1 with me when I was ranked 9th in PA. I'm ranked 5th now(First tourney I was officially ranked 5th in PA was viva Espana, hope and carroll fest I was still 9th).

Check his brackets I know he got at least a couple pretty good wins.

I'm in 100% agreement with you. Him leaving Ohio is a bad excuse, especially since this power ranking was supposed to be out ages ago.

 

[Eddie G]

Alright sure...let's just hope we encounter an imaginary ranked player taking up a real ranked spot in bracket instead of someone we'll actually have a chance to play. That makes total sense. I get it, the list came out much later than it was intended to, we ****ed up there...but that is absolutely no excuse to settle for bad logic.

 

[Juushichi]

It's more like: Hey guys, we ****ed up but like, we won't do anything like rectify our mistake by putting things how they should be in our list ranking the best players from time x to time y. Why?

Because it's not what's going on now in time z to current. What bad logic.

"Marshall Faulk was rookie of the year when he came in in 94' back when he played for Indianapolis, but like we won't write it in even though we ****ed up because he was an MVP for the Rams in 2000. That's totally cool right?"

**** no it's not.

 

[Exceladon City]

You people should quit yer *****in'. I'm stuck in a city where NOBODY plays. I may as well live in North Dakota. W/e I'll play Minus and get good at that and make money since I have lost hope for Brawl.

 

[What's The Point]

Alright sure...let's just hope we encounter an imaginary ranked player taking up a real ranked spot in bracket instead of someone we'll actually have a chance to play. That makes total sense. I get it, the list came out much later than it was intended to, we ****ed up there...but that is absolutely no excuse to settle for bad logic.

Argent lived in Ohio and played in Ohio tournaments and apparently did well enough to get ranked (Based on people's complaints).

Yes, he'll be gone in a few weeks or something, but from the dates of 2/1/11 to 8/1/11 (Or whatever the past season was) Argent was an Ohio player doing well in Ohio tournaments. And it's not like Ally or M2K living in a region for a bit, he's also been an Ohio player for years.


I guess you think of the list as being some of of always current Ohio player watch list, which makes no sense because no matter what the rankings are based on previous tournaments. Most people see PRs as a ranked list of who the best players were in the region up until the date the list came out.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I still agree that Argent has earned the right to be on the PR.

 

[Deleted member]

I still agree that Argent has earned the right to be on the PR.

Who honestly doesn't agree besides the panelists?

There's something wrong here...

 

[Infern Angelis]

Overswarm does not believe he should be on there

 

[Eddie G]

I'll just agree to disagree, we obviously have different beliefs on this issue and I don't feel inclined to believe otherwise.

@ Juu- It is bad logic because you're all basically saying we should "rectify" something for sentimental reasons instead of viewing this logically. What is this...a power ranking or a charity case?

 

[Deleted member]

We're not being sentimental...we're being accurate. The ranking period did NOT end after Argent left.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Unrelated:

KB whats the word for this weekend baby?

 

[Exceladon City]

There seems to always be a period where the PR just stops being tended to. With that period of inactivity, alot of salt gets thrown around when wins/losses become discounted because of said inactivity. With a state that is as active as OH (moreso than the rest of the MW:E area of the region) there really shouldn't be any reason for the PR to not be updated every 2-3 months. Just my 2 Abes.

 

[M@v]

Is there a new rankings list up im not seeing or something? The OP one is from January....

Anyway, I don't see why this is so hard. I can't even think of 10 Ohio players that did really really well first off. Secondly, Argent was here the whole time during the ranking period. 3. He obviously performed better than a LOT of people in the state.

Pwii's ranked in NJ, but he moved to Texas.

Chibo's ranked in PA, but he moved to NJ.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Alright, feedback for DW looks good so far, keep 'em coming.

No point in letting this drag out any longer than it has (finally...), it's about time you all see the new list. Take note that it is final.

1. Shugo
2. Kel
3. Y.b.M.
4. Blue Rogue
5. Infern Angelis
6. AlphaZealot
7. Fonz
8. Sneakytako
9. Links24
10. King Beef

HM: Luminoth

*in response to Mav*

This was 8 days ago and this debate is STILL going on.

 

[M@v]

Is it bad I've never heard of Sneakytako?

Also, it should be. There are quite a few.....questionable...things on that list.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I am curious. What do you personally find wrong with the list or questionable. You interact with OH enough so I think you could bring up some valid points.

Also Sneaky is a main with the best laugh ever.

I haven't really followed his results this season though.

 

[Y.b.M.]

Hey, fact of the matter is. This list isn't going to change. It is what it is. You all may feel a certain way about it, but it's not going to change until the next PR update. This isn't a debated matter that will cause change so until then get use to how it is.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I have no say in anything here so I don't care lol. I do think its at least worth noting when pretty much everyone but the Panelists question the list though. But it is what it is since no one is willing to bend. People should just focus on getting on the list next season to make it the best and most accurate list yet!

 

[Deleted member]

And that's why we need new panelists...

 

[Luminoth64]

Mav, when was the last time you came to a Columbus or Cincinnati tournament? Because honestly, I've never heard of you before this either. I'm sure you don't know who I am either though. Just because you don't know who they are doesn't take away from their skill and the wins they got this season. Everyone needs to stop ****ting on the players on the list just because Argent and MX weren't added. I feel like Sneaky up to me, we are all pretty equal in skill. I would say the same for MX and Argent too. But if I were in their position, I'd suck it up and prove everyone wrong this next season because they know they can do it.

 

[M@v]

I am curious. What do you personally find wrong with the list or questionable. You interact with OH enough so I think you could bring up some valid points.

Also Sneaky is a main with the best laugh ever.

I haven't really followed his results this season though.

Ill go through each person


1. Shugo-this is a no brainer

2. Kel-The last time I saw Kel was at APEX. I thought he hasn't been very active. Can I see where he's been recently??

3. Y.b.M.- Similar to Kel on the "where has he been" aspect. First off, I haven't heard of YBM much recently.
The only Ohio tourney I saw him in was SiiS5, where his only notable win is keitaro. I literally thought he quit or was on a long break. And here he shows up 3rd? While I'm this topic, he apparently plays ZSS now which almost no one even knew about(See the top 5 for each character thread).
Like if he has a list of tourneys he's been to and people he's beat, by all means show me. Maybe results are just bad at getting out of Ohio. But at first glance this sounds like a panelist putting himself on a pedestal much higher than he deserves to be. But like I said, correct me if I'm wrong; it could just be mis-information

4. Blue Rogue- Guy beats Lain which is arguably the best win of any Ohio player and places the highest of Ohio(along with shugo) at the most recent large regional, but is only 4th? .....

5. Infern Angelis- Seems about right.

6. AlphaZealot-Seems about right

7. Fonz-Won a tourney with ganon. Enough said

8. Sneakytako- Never even heard of the guy :|

9. Links24- Only tournament I've seen him at were viva where he did ok, and siis5 where he didn't have the best performance.

10. King Beef-KB would know his recent results better than me; once again only saw him at 1 tourney recently, and that would be viva.

HM: Luminoth

Argent has a win on me, which which would probably put him over KB and and maybe links right away, unless they got a win I don't know about. I beat KB and Blue this summer, and outplaced Links(but I don't go by out placing much due to different brackets). The main exception are large tournaments because if you got to the higher ends of a bracket, your there for a reason, not luck.

Hey, fact of the matter is. This list isn't going to change. It is what it is. You all may feel a certain way about it, but it's not going to change until the next PR update. This isn't a debated matter that will cause change so until then get use to how it is.

This is a really ignorant statement. If something is wrong, and everyone AGREES its WRONG, it should be FIXED. We've redone rankings in PA when we realized errors were made. Claiming this is final, no exceptions no matter what anyone says, or not even at least taking some sort of action, even something as simple as an informal re-discussion, is sending the message you don't care what your region and your state thinks. Your making it look like you and the panelists are better than everyone else, and you guys don't have to listen to the community that your catering to in the first place.

@lum: argent isn't going to be here another season: that's the problem.

 

[Ohio Power Rankings]

PR Updated... Image will come soon... Until then feel free to discuss this...

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Well Blue Rogue beating Lain isn't on this season's list, it would count towards the next one. I asked like 3 times but no one answered me about when the last tournament of this season was =/ I assume its SIIS5 though. Like if I had a list I would just look through all the tournaments myself and give a more detailed synopsis. I know Blue has some other accomplishments though and I was a little surprised he wasn't at least 3rd.

Shugo is well..Shugo. I don't think anyone is questioning him.

Links has had some good placements this season..he also beat Fonz in Winner's Round 1 at Delta Upsilon in April so that counts as a notable win in his book. I don't know the people below him are able to claim wins like that. It doesnt help that he didn't make it out of pools at SIIS5 (if I remember correctly) but I remember him placing well throughout the season.

King Beef places solidly but nothing amazing this season. Probably because of his main transitioning. Maybe now that he's dropped Freech he'll start placing where he should like I know he can.

Luminoth, I dunno what he's done this season but I know he's a solid player from playing him at SIIS5. I can see his skill level consistent enough to be at least an HM. Him, KB and Tako as well as Links are all arguably in the same boat right now. But my statement stands that KB has more potential right now. They're all legit players though!

 

[Luminoth64]

If it's that much of an issue, he can take my spot. I'll just be taking his at the end of this season because I'm goin' in the rest of this year!