The Official Ohio Brawl Power Rankings (11/25/12: NEW RANKINGS UPDATED!)

[Deleted member]

Also, what determines how a player is power ranked in a state? By the looks of the exception you guys are giving Kel, the player just has to participate in Ohio tourneys, regardless if they do or do not reside in the state?

 

[Eddie G]

Austin...Kel does not reside in Ohio but he participates in just about every tournament he would have came to had he still been living here. He may live in Kentucky, but he is still an Ohio player, through and through.

@ Tech- I know what you mean, it does look really biased. I looked at your question wrong and didn't think of the span of time Y.b.M. would be here after the next list (which would then be similar to Argent's case). I'm in agreement with you, believe me.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, that's what I figured.

Thanks, KB!

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

@ Tech- I know what you mean, it does look really biased. I looked at your question wrong and didn't think of the span of time Y.b.M. would be here after the next list (which would then be similar to Argent's case). I'm in agreement with you, believe me.

I figured you would be in agreement (you seem pretty fair imo), I just had to post an outside, unbiased 3rd party (out of state, yet knowledgeable of OH's scene) opinion of what it looks like. I think Kel and Y.b.M should explain their reasoning though about these particular cases. People would probably feel better if the panelist's explain it themselves. And it looks biased/bad when there are only 3 panelists and not all of them openly discuss things with the skeptical public. There is almost always going to be some form of scrutiny when making lists like these that are based off opinion, it just helps when the rationale behind them is visible. I'm not taking sides here at all, just had to post that.

 

[Eddie G]

I figured you would be in agreement (you seem pretty fair imo), I just had to post an outside, unbiased 3rd party (out of state, yet knowledgeable of OH's scene) opinion of what it looks like. I think Kel and Y.b.M should explain their reasoning though about these particular cases. People would probably feel better if the panelist's explain it themselves. And it looks biased/bad when there are only 3 panelists and not all of them openly discuss things with the skeptical public. There is almost always going to be some form of scrutiny when making lists like these that are based off opinion, it just helps when the rationale behind them is visible. I'm not taking sides here at all, just had to post that.

Yeah no doubt, it's cool haha. Feedback is always good and an unbiased 3rd party point of view is more than welcome. I'm sure they'll probably explain their own reasoning for their lists soon, but that's up to them. I did what I wanted to do and answered some questions that people had. :3

 

[Jiffyboob]

In Jiffy's case, that's the present.

<3 you Dan. :3

lololol. It's a birthmark, you a-hole.

 

[Y.b.M.]

I just got off of work. Now what questions do you *****s got..?

 

[Sovereign]

I just got off of work. Now what questions do you *****s got..?

Rawr to you too. Someone sounds irritable, or at least that's how you're currently coming off, but then again: "I never hold back!"

 

[M@v]

Argent should be ranked honestly. His placings have seemed consistent to me, and he did beat me at hope3. ****ING AURA.

Also I was pretty much Midwest this season xD. Played against you guys at almost every tourney I went to this Summer.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Mav for Ohio PR!

 

[M@v]

Well, some insider info here, the PA PR probably won't happen again. The one we made last month will be the last one. PA smash, as an entire state, is dead. There's Pittsburgh, then Penn State who is never active(Goes to 2 tourneys a year tops?) then Philly is pretty much only KT, Xzax, and Vex now. Everyone else there is inactive/moved out of state.

I mentioned earlier I wanted to bring up the idea of making Pittsburgh "officially" Midwest with that in mind. Besides we have pretty much been midwest anyway. If Pittsburgh people travel to tourneys besides Col and I, they go to Ohio tourneys.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Ohio, should just adopt Mav. He's got an adorable ...how can you say no to that?

Honestly I could see Pittsburgh as a part of Midwest mainly because Ohio as well as MI travel to Pittsburgh and when you guys do come down to Ohio many other states from MW:E are there. I'd consider you guys MW:E in my eyes.

 

[M@v]

Its a simple matter of distance.

NEOH tournaments for me = 2-2.5 hours.
Cincinnati=4 hours from me
Philly/NJ tourneys=6-7hours, so I usually only go to majors.
Then most of my turnouts for hope are midwest players.

I'll be honest; I go to Penn state during school time. That's in the middle of PA, about 4 hours from both NJ and Ohio. But I'm usually not active while there. 90% of my tournament time occurs while in Pittsburgh. If I'm lucky, I make 1 tournament in NJ or harrisburg while at school. Its moreso just practicing with penn state players while there.

 

[Eddie G]

I'm for the merge; Ohio's numbers are starting to dwindle and a merge could be the refresher that we need. If stubborn NJ, NY, etc. can suck it up and merge PRs due to frequent interaction...why the hell can't we, you know?

I can't make that kind of decision alone, nor can just the group of panelists, we all live here after all. How do you all feel about this (OH and PA)?

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Part of me would still like to see MI and OH merge sometime due to our scenes being in the same boat (our is suffering a bit more). Who knows, maybe in the future.

 

[M@v]

It would only be a western PA merger, keep that in mind. East Pa would be better going with tri-state, and I doubt they would want to merge here anyway. They barely ever come here. Last time Philly was in midwest was for MLG Columbus.

State college...I don't know. Some of them tend to come to /hopes

(Berserker Swordsman and TKCK=State College)

 

[Eddie G]

Maybe tech, but I don't think any time soon would be appropriate. OH and MI still have a bit of a rivalry element going on despite our scenes both getting weaker, so it would probably be better to keep that up for the time being; anything that serves as an incentive to compete should be kept around imo.

Western PA/Ohio does sound good though, honestly. PA is pretty much split in two anyway.

 

[Juushichi]

I've always said that western PA was Midwest, but people here looked at me like I grew another head. There's a reason why Pittsburgh interacts with Ohio (and somewhat MI) all the time.

As for explanations go, my only question for Y.b.M. is "why not argent?" I've said what I needed to say about PR members and how the PR may happen in the future (which is to say that training people to come in and discuss shouldnt be that hard), so I come with a suggestion:

For those ranked or HM, give us something like what MI's Melee PR does.

It doesn't have to be comprehensive, like how MI has historical records between some players... maybe something like: Key/Notable Wins vs Bad/Notable Losses. It helps people not on the PR get a sense of understanding of how the panel judged the period and the quality of work that a player did.

Like, for instance... I don't follow Sneaky's results so like, I don't know who he beat and lost to and why he's above whoever. Or in the past what placed Fizzle over Iska and vice-versa. You guys have the results and you guys know what's a good win and a bad loss, so this couldn't be hard if you wantto implement it.

 

[Y.b.M.]

Well I know I have never been to PA nor has majority of Cincy or Columbus players. Maybe NEOH has. I know PA is atleast 6 hours away from Cincy. So I don't know about a merge yet.

I know I'd be down for a Midwest East PR rather than an individual State PR that is struggling with players.

And as far as Argent goes. I didn't overlook him. I considered his placings as well. Argent has done well, but I believe there was a time where he was absent for a while. Also, I'm not in NEOH so thats where KB would have to step up and point out something. I feel as if I'm the only doing rankings with research. Honestly, KB put up a list, and then I put up a list and then he changed the list exactly to what mine was.

I know Kel doesn't really care like he use to, so he just made a list based on feelings. But this is the reason we should have more players who come to a more accurate decision rather than following what the next guy does.

Infern and I aren't moving to Texas yet. So if we are still in OH when the next PR comes around then we will remain as Ohio Players.

But as far as players being overlooked you'd have to talk to someone else about that. I know I didn't rush anything. I'm only one guy it's hard to cover EVERY tournament that goes on 6 hours away from me. Other peeps need to step up.

 

[Eddie G]

I didn't copy your list 100%, I simply used it as a starting point since it appeared very accurate to what I would have made anyway. I then made one only change that I felt was necessary (AZ over Fonz).

My reasoning for not adding Argent still stands, he won't be here by the time the next list comes out so we'd essentially be filling a spot with an inactive player, which wouldn't make much sense.

I do research when making my lists as well (Chi can vouch that I don't ignore details and ask around for what I don't know). It wasn't just sheer luck in the past when I would be one of the first people to post a list and it would be very accurate, giving people something to work off of if they needed to. I just worked off of yours this time around, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Eddie G]

Also, why would a Midwest/East PR be better than one consisting of scenes that interact more (or interact period)? Sure, Cinci and Columbus may not interact much with Western PA, but part of it is because Cinci doesn't travel as much as NEOH (aside from going to Columbus/Kentucky) and most of Columbus doesn't travel at all. Can't do too much about that unfortunately.

 

[Juushichi]

What was the criteria for ranking then for the last ranking period?

And I guess what was the last
Tournament counted? It just seems kinda like an incomplete job. I don't mean to cause offense when I say this, mind you. I'm just trying to be constructive.

Also, since I do have the both of you here I guess... what do you think of posting the notable win vs notable loss thing I suggested?

 

[M@v]

Y.B.M, cincy is only 4.5 hours from West PA not 6. I used to go to cincy to visit my cousin when he lived there. Columbus is like 3 hours 20 minutes.

About Argent. He should be rewarded for his effort this season though. He should be on this ranking, then just not on the next one since he will be MD/VA


We ranked chibo this season in PA, even though he moved out of PA in like the last week of our rankings period. All his tournaments were as a PA resident. He simply wouldn't be on the next list if one was made. Its pretty much the same situation with Argent.

 

[Y.b.M.]

Hey the PR is in you all control now. I can careless. Honestly, it was an incomplete assessment by posting the results here just to please the people. There was never an okay given to do so. Regardless of how long it was. Although I do stand by everything that KB, Kel, and myself has done.

And Juu I deleted all of my trackings I did in the PR room since I'm dropping out as a Panelist soon. So I couldn't tell you. But the ones considered would be the tournaments at the end of June. July would have started the new one. Since it took a while for the rankings to get updated it would be done to justify the amount of tournaments taken into consideration. So July on forward would be the ones taken into consideration after this update...

And I lived in Camp Hill, PA which is a 10 minute drive from Harrisburg. When I moved back to Cincy it was an 8 hour Drive. different parts of PA may be different but its more than a 5 hour drive. But I'm not here arguing about times. And the "B".. in my name is lower case.... not capital...

 

[Jiffyboob]

I still wanna know when Y.b.M. beat Shugo....

 

[Shugo-Chan]

ybm beat me in winners at that delta upsilon thing towards the end of january jiffy..LOL YOU WERE THE ONE CHANTING HOW DO YOU FORGET?!, and i agree with the list 100% idk why ppl are reconsidering this, i hardly check on this shiz nemore i just know it's pretty dang accurate.

 

[links24]

How come no one is talking bout me..................

(Hehehe)

 

[Gnes]

STFU Shugo

 

[Shugo-Chan]

LOL wtf gnes?! Soooooooooooooooooooo random

 

[Jiffyboob]

Who was I chanting for?!

 

[Shugo-Chan]

you were hyping up the match rly hard lol rooting for ybm iirc

 

[Jiffyboob]

I was cheering for Y.b.M. over you?!?!?!?
That NEOH bias at its finest!!!

 

[Eddie G]

-dead- @ random Gnes

 

[AlphaZealot]

There should always be 5 HM's.

Also Ohio is big, we don't need a merge. The same day I held DU VIII there was a NEOH tournament that had over 20 and a MI tournament that had around 20 IIRC. Keist' tournaments will break 30. Basically our scene is roughly as big as usual, which means basically tournaments get between 20-40 people.

 

[M@v]

A fair amount of those 20ish people at the NEOH tourney were from pittsburgh. At least 5. And pretty much all of the melee turnout was Pittsburgh.

And this is more about the fact that most of the people that come to pittsburgh tourneys are OH, and the only other tourneys most pittsburgh people go to are ohio ones. In terms of tournament attendance, WPA and OH are the same region. WPA and NEOH at the VERY least.

 

[Eddie G]

Not that having multiple tournaments at once is essentially a good thing...

/unrelated

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Maybe tech, but I don't think any time soon would be appropriate. OH and MI still have a bit of a rivalry element going on despite our scenes both getting weaker, so it would probably be better to keep that up for the time being; anything that serves as an incentive to compete should be kept around imo.

Haha that much I agree with. I like competing with Ohio, it gives me a reason to keep getting better. I have some people I have spank ..

For those ranked or HM, give us something like what MI's Melee PR does.

It doesn't have to be comprehensive, like how MI has historical records between some players... maybe something like: Key/Notable Wins vs Bad/Notable Losses. It helps people not on the PR get a sense of understanding of how the panel judged the period and the quality of work that a player did.

I do the same for the Brawl PR. I just keep a record of every single "eliglible" player's bracket wins/losses. It just makes things so much easier when you have all that data in front of you. I do it more so for convenience but in close calls it does facilitate making the hard decisions.

Infern and I aren't moving to Texas yet. So if we are still in OH when the next PR comes around then we will remain as Ohio Players.

He's leaving too? Well looks like that spanking I need to give him is going to have to go down at SIIS6.

STFU Shugo

Random. Lmao.

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

if you merged ohio and MI for a PR the top 5 spots would just be the MI PR anyways, then tack on all of ohio

 

[Eddie G]

if you merged ohio and MI for a PR the top 5 spots would just be the MI PR anyways, then tack on all of ohio

You and your best active player lost to a Peach/Pit team suckaaa

 

[M@v]

pppppffffffffffffffft. There's only person I'm worried about in MI, and he never shows up to his matches anyway