The Official Ohio Brawl Power Rankings (11/25/12: NEW RANKINGS UPDATED!)

[clowsui]

I could make a top 10 w/out MX...>__>;

unless someone from the PR shows me all his Ws and Ls I don't believe he's done well enough this season. Didn't make it out of pools at SiiS4, didn't make top 10 at Shi-Kakuto/didn't beat anyone great, didn't do that great at San-Kakuto (IIRC). Only tourney he did well at was Go-Kakuto

Just imo

 

[Eddie G]

I'd actually be for an OH/MI merger if anything. Our scenes interact enough and KY's is just...not that big. Then again, MI has a lot of trolls and I don't really feel like dealing with that all the time, lol.

 

[solecalibur]

It would probly suit better with the hole MI vs OH going on

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Ive actually considered the OH/MI merge. Our scene isn't even small its just the amount of players we have that can compete on a higher level is. Then again we are improving a lot now. And I love our little rivalry/friendship with you guys.

The only thing is that Ohio needs to come up to MI more. The last time we had you guys come up was Gameyard 3 in November when KB/Shugo/Kel/Tako/Y.b.M came up. MI as a whole travels to OH wayyyyyyyy more. If you guys did that, we could probably justify it and discuss it with everyone else. I believe the motivation and competition is definitely there. We do have a solid group that can keeep Ohio on its toes and vice versa. Plus it'd be nice to see my name right above Infern's on the same PR.

 

[Infern Angelis]

You will never be above me . (Emphasis on the period)

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I suppose you're right...

Especially if I knock you out of tournament too early enough for you to even get PRed.

 

[solecalibur]

Ive actually considered the OH/MI merge. Our scene isn't even small its just the amount of players we have that can compete on a higher level is. Then again we are improving a lot now. And I love our little rivalry/friendship with you guys.

The only thing is that Ohio needs to come up to MI more. The last time we had you guys come up was Gameyard 3 in November when KB/Shugo/Kel/Tako/Y.b.M came up. MI as a whole travels to OH wayyyyyyyy more. If you guys did that, we could probably justify it and discuss it with everyone else. I believe the motivation and competition is definitely there. We do have a solid group that can keeep Ohio on its toes and vice versa. Plus it'd be nice to see my name right above Infern's on the same PR.

I came to that one regional but that was only 3 o ohio and King yoshi lol

 

[M@v]

Sometimes I feel like im OH. 3 of the tourneys I've been at have had ohio attendance. And I used to travel to ohio a lot more for tourneys (R.I.P TYM series )

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I totally forgot about GSS, Sole lol.

But my point remains: Come to MI more Wouldn't mind seeing our scenes interacting more. MD/VA does it. IL/WI does it. Don't see why we couldn't. The furthest our tournaments would be from each other is 4 hours and thats from Cinci to Metro Detroit..not bad at all.

 

[solecalibur]

Sometimes I feel like im OH. 3 of the tourneys I've been at have had ohio attendance. And I used to travel to ohio a lot more for tourneys (R.I.P TYM series )

I shoulda hosted one this summer but we have one in two weeks if interested, I think Pittsburgh melee is coming.

 

[Deleted member]

I totally forgot about GSS, Sole lol.

Yep. I was there, too. :3

 

[Today]

I kind of like the idea of MI + OH since MI practically lives in OH and NEOH/Cincy travels to MI every so often.

 

[M@v]

I shoulda hosted one this summer but we have one in two weeks if interested, I think Pittsburgh melee is coming.

you mean the one this weekend?

 

[Kel]

IMO Michigan has always been way too biased toward itself. They're like Jersey of the MW.

If you guys were around in 08, you know what I'm talking about. Anther was the only REAL contender and EVERYONE in MI except Anther **** talked like they were number one. OS won 10 tournaments in a row; including MI tournaments with Anther in them. Didn't matter, it was still all about Anther giving the rest of MI the illusion that ALL of them were the best.

Even today, they're pretty biased. I know Lain has thought of himself as the undeniable best in the MW for two years now (whether this is true or not I'm not saying). I can see that, but to say it's undeniable and that it's been like that for two years is questionable.

I'd like to either have a MW:E ranking, or no ranking at all. Back in the Melee days the Mw decided as a whole that:
1) We were too cool for a ranking
2) We all switch around wins against each other/ have bad MUs that you couldn't really make a ranking anyway

So we just declared that it doesn't matter who is ranked in accordance with a small panel of individual's opinions.

I'd like this for Brawl, but I know some people feel the need for rankings. I just don't see a real need for them right now when Ohio's got one big contender (Shugo) and we're struggling just to find people that qualify for rankings.


Instead of rankings, we should be working on growing the scene.

 

[Eddie G]

And where has no rankings gotten the Midwest in Melee now? Either completely nonexistent in some spots and the remainder of the players are still leagues behind the coasts. If there's been anything consistent with the MW Melee scene throughout all of these years, it's that; and there's nothing "cool" about being considered as potfillers of the national scene.

To be honest, I think the Midwest in general is too damn passive about a lot of things. I just don't see the passion that I see from EC, WC, and South players. Hell...even players I know from places like Arizona and Colorado are more passionate than what I see here. I've always taken issue with the lack of it around here, even if I haven't really voiced it up until now. Where are we when it comes to getting top spots at Nationals? (Good **** on 13th at Genesis though Krystedez and for your general placements Shugo <3) Where are we on the top spots for individual characters excluding a few exceptions? Where are we when crew battles take place? Where are we period?

Sure, EC may argue a lot, and WC may wear tight pants, but when push comes to shove...they show up, they play hard, and they bring the pain. They gather up to practice (Texas gathered up more than one time for massive smashfests, at two different locations...for just the one tournament I went down there for...they go hard). All of those regions have rankings that they strive to get on.

The problem isn't about having a ranking system in place; it's about us as a region needing to get up off of our passive @sses and actually put a real and passionate effort toward getting better at this game. Just two days in Texas and a few visits to the EC has shown me that much is apparent. I can't stress it enough.

 

[Nope]

Instead of rankings, we should be working on growing the scene.

I can't stress enough about how important this is, instead of bickering and hiding techs from one another we should play to improve the scene and in the long run it will improve yourself. Not to mention keeping the scene alive.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

ROFL @ Kel, Ohio could be accused of the same thing but do we actually care?? And you still have this old school view of us. Yes, I do apologize for when you came down and everyone was less than happy about Lain losing to Y.b.M but thats the past. Frankly, leave your old school views of MI in 2010 please. (You're still cool though ) MI jokes around a lot but in all seriousness we know where we are as a state. We have a few people who could compete on a regional scale but thats it. We do have confidence in our ability to grow. That is why I worked so damn hard to reinstate the PR despite several people saying we shouldnt. Rankings inspire growth and competition flat out. I mean its not the ONLY way and wde dont HAVE to have them but I see their purpose useful towards bettering people and areas. King Beef is 100% right when he says we're too passive as a region. We ARE. We're still no where near EC, WC, or Texas of Florida.

Doing what weve been doing now (OH, MI and all of MW) isnt working. We need change like yesterday. This is why I push SO hard for MI to travel. Unless you're a **** region or state is typically impossible to get tthat good by just playing in state.

So what does Ohio want to do about this? I'm totally open to the idea of interacting more. We all NEED this.

 

[TheKiest]

I've got 2 really good/but hard suggestions.

1) Change our format of tournes/smashfests. Something the Koreans do for SC2 is occasionnaly play an actual tourne format match. Instead, they truly spar or do drills. Drills would involve literally doing drills, like football/soccer practice. In Brawl's case, spot dodging, power shielding, DIing, "combos", other advance techs. More advance drills would be situational, like 100% battles, or stage specific (like tech recovering on ledges on cruise to survive an up tilt at 100+.). Sparring is never like a tourn format. Anyone who has stayed with M2K or vice versa, has seen his 50 stock sparring.
Point is, when I go to a smashfest, we do nothing but play tourne format (or Brawl-/FFAs). Normally we don't do these at tournes, due to Smash's main focus to go to tourne is to play new people, not drill. However... I'd be willing to change that or at least help with suggestion 2.

2) Create a Smash version of "Ranbats", something the SRK ohio scene does. Ranbats is "kinda" like a circuit, however the entry is only 2 bucks. That money is put into a pot that is collected over the course of the season. The last ranbats is when the pot is finally divided. Originally, I thought this was an alt to tournes because of the lack of tournes in the SRK scene. However, when described to me, it feels more like a "Dojo Smashfest" or Academy. Players from Dayton, C-bus, KY, IN, and sometimes even Cleveland will travel to cinci for these. What we could do as a scene, is rotate each spot in ohio with a Brawl/Melee scene. (So, Cinci, Cbus, Cleve, Toldedo, Athens). This can only work if 90% of each area is willing to attend. I say Ohio because, Ohio has the most consistent TOs that can get out of state players to come. This can expand eventually.

Overall I say, less tourne format at smashfests/locals, MORE emphasis on improving our games.

As for travel, the ones that are able to travel have been traveling. Cbus doesn't have travelers. NEOH has a ton (which is why they go to MI events). Cinci does to a degree, but MI is too far. The other sad truth, is the ones who do the most traveling are the ones that come back with money. While this might not be the main focus, it certainly is a reason why NEOH/MI would NOT go to a cinci smashfest every month and vice versa.

And as for the whole history of our regions/melee... this ain't 2008, or 2009, or 2010. It's 2011, clearly what we did back then and now isn't working so drastic (and very difficult) change is needed if we want the scene to come out on top.

 

[TheKiest]

Since this affects more that just Ohio, I'm making a new thread about it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13044526

 

[Kel]

Actually, KB, The MW in the Melee days was MUCH more competitive than the Brawl Hayday. Our best could beat M2K/ at least make the set interesting.
In Melee, the MW had:
Dope- the original Falco (Before everyone copied Bomb soldier)
Vidjo- The BEST Peach
Dark- BEst Falcon in the world. Period
Jiano- Not even the best Falcon, but still enough to get 3rd at Pound 2 and ***** countless others
Sliq- While the original Jiggs goes to King, Sliq was the one who reinvented Jiggs (pre-Mango). I remember going to an EC tournament watching Sliq play M2K in pools and saying "jiggs beats Marth." Everyone said I was bad and then Sliq beat M2K's Marth with Jiggs.
Drephen- Took M2K out of crew battles consistently and beat him in tournaments on multiple occasions- even after M2K "rose to power." He also beat every technical Spacie in the world (including Shiz) by Spotdodge Dsmashing them
Trail- An Ics that wasn't Chu or Wobbles but could take out people like Forward when needed.

And I'm missing people!

You know what we have for Brawl in the MW?

Shugo- that "pretty good" Falco that loses to MUs that are odd/ not high tier
Lain- The Ic main
---HUGE SKILL GAP---

Me- The guy that can beat anything not named MK and Diddy, but loses hard to those two characters enough that he doesn't place.
Kain- Wolf -_-
Kryztedez- The wario that everyone steals style from, but doesn't place at nationals
YbM- On and Off performances that are held back by his character

*insert random ROB and other terrible character mains*


That's the MW for Brawl. Notice how after Lain and Shugo the Johns begin? The Melee list didn't have those Johns at all. We were all friendly during the Melee times to each other. No PR needed. And we still *****.

I'm not saying that I don't enjoy our scene. Or that I don't have fun; if I didn't, I wouldn't go to tournaments. I'm just saying our skill in Brawl is MUCH LESS than it was in Melee.

 

[Eddie G]

Alright, you proved your point about Melee. It's been so long since I've paid attention to our scene that I completely forgot about some of our stars.

But here is the point I'm trying to get across: This isn't the past. What may have worked then may not work now, especially not this late in the Brawl metagame (or a different game altogether) where we are already trailing behind the skill level of the average player in every other region (the Zero Suits that I played and even this one GnW in Texas would wreck everyone currently not on the PR here, they were easily on par with our 6-10 players...and they're not even ranked high down there); only Lain, Kain, Shugo, MJG, and maybe a couple of others stand a chance at placing top 10 at a national with confidence behind it. We need to crack down, and rankings serve as just another form of incentive for people to do so. I mean this with complete and utter respect, but living in the past isn't going to help with the here and now.

Also...there is not a huge skill gap between Lain and Kain at all. Krystedez also just placed 13th at Genesis 2 (outplacing a good number of top coastal players).

 

[Blue Rogue]

everyone forgets about the guy that lost to ganon eeeh

 

[DtJ Composer]

Damnit Blue hahahahaha

 

[Deleted member]

What KB said about Kain. Don't discredit him just because he mains a character that has obviously proven to be much better than you think.

 

[Luminoth64]

What KB said about Kain. Don't discredit him just because he mains a character that has obviously proven to be much better than you think.

That just means we have to step it up and prove him wrong. We can't let Kain do ALL the work.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, I plan on putting in some work this weekend.

 

[Luminoth64]

DO IT! I won't be going to a tourney this weekend because of work most likely. :/ I've finally gotten past the point where I feel like I'm hindered by my character and it's exciting. No more *****footing around using high tiers and not practicing Wolf. He's been neglected these past 6 months and it's starting to show. x.x

 

[Kel]

You know, that may be the real reason the MW doesn't have any true contenders. All of our people play low tiers.

I remember when the god Kais were bad. And OS and myself were like "Ok serious business- you're ONLY playing high tier." Next thing you know the God Kais are decent.

If only everyone else did the same...

 

[clowsui]

LOL i was there that night good times

but didn't you guys ask ed to play GW? o_O not a great char per se

 

[M@v]

I'll bring this up in more detail to the guys going to viva espana, but there's a really good chance PA smash is going to decrease the point rankings will be unviable in the next season or two. We were only able to rank 7 people this season. We had two more active, but none accomplished anything noteworthy other than the 7. regardless, that's not even enough for a top 10. In additon, this was the last season chibo, one of our main panelists and players, will be ranked since he's done with college and moving back to NJ. Most of Philly smash is inactive now besides Kingtoon, Xzax, and Vex. Then you got me and the couple other active PA players in Pittsburgh, and some people in central PA, they never make enough tourneys to be active. But of those players, only Col and I ever travel to NJ/Philly for tourneys. Once in a blue moon we get one or two with us, but its rare.


So basically, the Pa smash scene is heading towards this:
-Pittsburgh/State college (West/Central PA)

KT,Xzax,Vex(Philly)


Now since Pittsburgh's a good 5 hours from the rest of the scene, its a lot harder for us to make tourneys there frequently. I was also looking at my tournaments this summer, and I realized 3 of the 4 had MW turnouts at them:

Smash nation 2
Cot5
/hope3

Basically what I'm getting at is that I wanted to open the idea of combining western PA into the Ohio/MW reigon, since Col and I are pretty much the only ones from Pittsburgh who ever travels to EC tourneys.

Even then most of my tourneys are either in Ohio, or right next door in Pittsburgh, which OH brings good turnouts to anyway. I just want to explore the idea for now; at the moment PA smash as a whole is still here, but its on a rapid decline, and I don't see it sticking around much longer unless we get a sudden outburst of players.

 

[Deleted member]

You know, that may be the real reason the MW doesn't have any true contenders. All of our people play low tiers.

I remember when the god Kais were bad. And OS and myself were like "Ok serious business- you're ONLY playing high tier." Next thing you know the God Kais are decent.

If only everyone else did the same...

All of our people?

I wasn't aware that there is only High or Low, but no Mid. Kain plays a high-mid tier character, as does KB. The point is that they are great with those characters in particular, and Kain is capable of winning regionals going solo Wolf.

Have you ever even played Kain, Kel?

 

[Luminoth64]

The problem with that for me Kel, is that while I want to get better, I don't want to play a character that I don't necessarily like just because they're high tier. I like Wario, but Wolf is the only character I can play for a long period without getting bored. x.x

 

[Eddie G]

Wolf isn't bad. As Seagull once pointed out: "Peach is the best of the worst, but Wolf is the worst of the best", he's worth getting good with if you really want to and you feel he can bring out your best potential. It beats trying to force things with a top/high tier only to risk becoming a copy-n-paste player with that character, and still be a potfiller anyway.

 

[Luminoth64]

I definitely agree. I don't think he's bad at all. In the end he's still mid-tier and that's what Kel is getting at haha. I've played him since the beginning and I'm finally starting to see some results so I'm going to keep at it with him.

 

[Eddie G]

Until you run into me, hehe.

 

[Luminoth64]

Hah we'll see about that. I've been wanting to play you in a MM/bracket. We haven't played since what, SiiS2 last summer? XD

 

[Infern Angelis]

New side event, everyone plays with the character they mained when brawl first came out.

 

[DtJ Composer]

Finally get to play Metaknight

 

[Y.b.M.]

FYI I'm totally against a merger of a PR with Michigan.

 

[Eddie G]

New side event, everyone plays with the character they mained when brawl first came out.

That would be Ness, and it's still amazing.

@ Lumi- Yeah same here, can't wait to play.