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The Official Geno Thread

PsychoIncarnate

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I have nothing against Geno, but personally I don't see what makes him worthy of being in Brawl. All I've seen so far is that he's popular. Popularity alone can't get a character playable. So far, all of the old, yet still popular characters are only assist trophies.
Why wouldn't he be worthy of being a character?
 

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Except that it introduced the ATB.

The 'bland method' wasn't a nuisance.

The uncostumisable party gave the game a character-driven story, which was a first for the series.
I'm just saying that all of those things that were introduce have been refined and improved upon. No game is perfect.
 
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I have nothing against Geno, but personally I don't see what makes him worthy of being in Brawl. All I've seen so far is that he's popular. Popularity alone can't get a character playable. So far, all of the old, yet still popular characters are only assist trophies.
Lemme tell you this that every character has some popularity. No, Sakurai doesn't like popular characters but when he means that he means ubber popular guys like Mario, Sonic or Megaman. Geno may be popular, but not as popular as them. Old school Mario gamers would know him. New school Mario gamers wouldn't. Geno is also retro and obscure. Sakurai likes that in a character and so far, he already shown interest.

Might I remind ytou that every character has a hint of popularity in their background but not as much as Mario or Sonic does.
 
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Old and forgotten by many, more important Mario characters to take his place.
Forgotten? You just said he was popular. And Geno is important. He played the most important role in Mario RPG. Not Mario, Not Peach, but Geno did. People see Geno as a supporting character but he really isn't. He didn't support anyone. Mario supported Geno on Geno's quest to take down Smithy and save Star Road.
 

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As far as the so called "LEAK" goes, i've been thinking. If anyone follows Final Fantasy closely they would know about the Final Fantasy IV Remake on the DS that was Japan Exclusive, and was just released a few weeks in Japan. Now think about this, nintendo goes to square and talks about Geno for brawl. Square makes an offer, in order to promote their new Remake of FFIV ON THE DS they would like to include Cecil, they would also allow the use of Geno for nothing. This also would work because he was a classic character on Snes, and represents the time in which final fantasy was getting popular and nintendo and square best relations.


Think about it, Nintendo mysteriously pushes their date back from dec to feb and for reasons unknown. Well not that Im saying this is true I just want to hear what you have to say on this theory, but they needed time to include Cecil and Geno after recieving the permission and still needed to work out some legal issues. It will both promote the DS and Squares Remakes of FFIV! It also brings a friendly face of their unity in which they once again hope to be. You can thank Geno for all this because he brought this situation to Rise and congratulate him he gains a slot on the roster!!

What do you guys think, personally I think that the "leak" sounds like BullSh*t, but as for my theory do you think its way off or possibly true?

Either way guys let me know, I could lean either way I just wanted to bring this view to everyone's attention.
 

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Old and forgotten by many, more important Mario characters to take his place.
I don't see why time is relative in this situation in any way, unless your talking about fan made rules...

But he's definitely not forgotten


Screw little kid mario fans if they don't respect the old school
 

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Think about who voted on the poll. Old Japanese guys. He is popular among the older Mario fans, but the new ones greatly outnumber them.
If that were really the case Geno still wouldn't have made that number of recommendations in Sakurai's poll. Also how do you know only Old japanese guys voted? I was unaware you were at Japan at the time when this took place >_>.

Having gone through some other boards, I have noticed Geno has been producing some younger fans who have played SMRPG through emulators, oh also you might be interested to know Super Mario RPG is currently the most popular game being downloaded for SNES emulators.
 

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People that grew up with Super Mario RPG and Super Nintendo are not "Old Men"
 

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Hold on, he got second place with 4 votes? I'm guessing not many people voted on that poll then. 4 votes is not very popular.
It's not actually votes, it was like journal sugestions, and Sakurai picked a few that he recieved each day instead of looking at all of them.
 

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As far as the so called "LEAK" goes, i've been thinking. If anyone follows Final Fantasy closely they would know about the Final Fantasy IV Remake on the DS that was Japan Exclusive, and was just released a few weeks in Japan. Now think about this, nintendo goes to square and talks about Geno for brawl. Square makes an offer, in order to promote their new Remake of FFIV ON THE DS they would like to include Cecil, they would also allow the use of Geno for nothing. This also would work because he was a classic character on Snes, and represents the time in which final fantasy was getting popular and nintendo and square best relations.


Think about it, Nintendo mysteriously pushes their date back from dec to feb and for reasons unknown. Well not that Im saying this is true I just want to hear what you have to say on this theory, but they needed time to include Cecil and Geno after recieving the permission and still needed to work out some legal issues. It will both promote the DS and Squares Remakes of FFIV! It also brings a friendly face of their unity in which they once again hope to be. You can thank Geno for all this because he brought this situation to Rise and congratulate him he gains a slot on the roster!!

What do you guys think, personally I think that the "leak" sounds like BullSh*t, but as for my theory do you think its way off or possibly true?

Either way guys let me know, I could lean either way I just wanted to bring this view to everyone's attention.

I am just re-quoting this because of the massive amounts of posts at the moment, I want people to make sure they see it.
Comments please. thanks
 

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Yeah, I seriously think Square-Enix would have no problem what-so-ever letting Geno into Brawl, however they'd want some additional zing. Geno could go ahead and be thrown in, but at the expense, go ahead and include a Final Fantasy character.

You know, Sakurai not contacting Megaman's creator/Capcom; maybe he did this for that reason exactly? Maybe if he had in both of the two characters, he couldn't have room for another 3rd party company.

Hey it's possible, and quite likely too. SMRPG sequel is rumored, and FFIV's remake for the DS is making its way to the DS. Adding both of them would be a smart choice, it would advertise them to no end and gain very nice revenue.
 

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I turn 20 this year, as Pycho pointed out people who grew up with Super Nintendo (or even with the original Nintendo) are not "old men".

@ UtopiaXD: I like your theory, it could be the case if they would really like to promote FFIV
 

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*comes in late*

So, anything new besides the usual?
We're discussing the rumor; according to the rumor, Square-Enix apparently has two reps coming in, Cecil and Geno.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=134501

Has anyone else read this thread?
Yes I realize it's from GameFaqs but I find it for the most part believable... (Knuckles makes me extremely skeptical though), but this is the Geno thread so I'll center in on that section.

Geno, according to this rumor is in, but along with Cecil. You know, that isn't too hard to believe, surely Square-Enix would accept to put Geno in, but at the expense of putting in a character more important to them, a Final Fantasy characer. By the by, Yoko Shimomura also did the music for FFIV, Cecil's music, as well as Geno's "Forest Maze" music.

I'm skeptical but it gives us something to think about, at least.
 

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I'm glad you guys think my theory is good, I've been doing some deep research on the FFIV remake proir to this news and was kinda thinking about how Square and Nintendo must have been getting on ALOT better relations to pump out a remake on not the wii, but the DS. I've connecting some dots with square and nintendo and then after hearing this news, everything in my mind clicked. I wanted to know if you guys agreed or was I just thinking too hard.
 

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Sakurai can put in as many 3rd parties as he wants, and if Sakurai didn't contact Capcom (as far as we know) for that reason, I will be severely disappointed with him. Mega Man is way more important to Nintendo history and way more popular than Geno and Cecil combined.

The mysterious delay was most likely to allow Galaxy to bloom before Brawl came out.
 

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Yeah, I seriously think Square-Enix would have no problem what-so-ever letting Geno into Brawl, however they'd want some additional zing. Geno could go ahead and be thrown in, but at the expense, go ahead and include a Final Fantasy character.

You know, Sakurai not contacting Megaman's creator/Capcom; maybe he did this for that reason exactly? Maybe if he had in both of the two characters, he couldn't have room for another 3rd party company.

Hey it's possible, and quite likely too. SMRPG sequel is rumored, and FFIV's remake for the DS is making its way to the DS. Adding both of them would be a smart choice, it would advertise them to no end and gain very nice revenue.
I didn't even consider that SMRPG sequel, they could have included Cecil to promote the remake of FFIV, and Nintendo wanted Geno to promote the upcoming SMRPG seqeul *which is because SMRPG is more the nintendo game where as FF is oviously more the Square game*

This is perfect ending to my theory and completes the you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours type thing that is most likely going on.
 
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I dunno. It depends how well I can handle Geno. My mains are Capt. Falcon and Fox at the moment and I was gonna try Meta Knight and Sonic too.
 

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Also, I would think that they wouldn't have delayed Brawl for advertising the FFIV remake. It already came out, so why make the game that's supposed to promote the character come out a month after the fact?
 

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Also, I would think that they wouldn't have delayed Brawl for advertising the FFIV remake. It already came out, so why make the game that's supposed to promote the character come out a month after the fact?
Hey, when did it come out!? I haven't seen it in stores...
 

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Sakurai can put in as many 3rd parties as he wants, and if Sakurai didn't contact Capcom (as far as we know) for that reason, I will be severely disappointed with him. Mega Man is way more important to Nintendo history and way more popular than Geno and Cecil combined.

The mysterious delay was most likely to allow Galaxy to bloom before Brawl came out.

Sorry for double post,

BUT, first mega man does play a large role in history between nintendo and capcom but this is just because capcom and nintendo didnt come to any agreement and therefore megaman will not be included. Sakurai may have tryed but it didn't work out, we don't know. Either way the fact that most likely Square and Nintendo managed to work things and come to an agreement is good news by a long shot.

Also what you say about galaxy could be true and would make sense BUUUT! They set dates for the games and knew exactly what they were getting themselves into. Don't forget why the hell would they make the date orginally December 3rd and then all the sudden change it? If the choice to push brawl back was marketing choice based around Galaxy then it would have been easier to just set the date later then galaxy in the first place, instead of change the date and piss a ton of people off? In my opinion it wasn't for galaxy they lost of tons of potential X-mas sales which brawl would have racked in, and galaxy would have sold fine. I think that the date change conviently gave galaxy time to bloom as you said, but it was not the root of the reason.

I stated my reasoning on the previous page.

Also, I would think that they wouldn't have delayed Brawl for advertising the FFIV remake. It already came out, so why make the game that's supposed to promote the character come out a month after the fact?

Well, because if it sells and well and people thinking highly of Cecil (like what happened with Roy and Marth) we will see the Remake of FFIV come to the US. As of right now it wasnt even announced for america yet. This is the perfect prep to see if it will come.

Also like I said before it wasn't for the advertising of the FFIV remake it for the time it would take to add Cecil and Geno in the story, as well design their characters/movesets. I thought that would be oviously to you that it would take time to do these things. Do not forget any legal issues that would also need to be worked out. I only said that the inclusion of Cecil was to promote the Remake and well as their bond which is being reformed.

whew im posting too much.. lol :-)
 
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