The Official Geno Thread

[Cless]

Sorry for double post,

BUT, first mega man does play a large role in history between nintendo and capcom but this is just because capcom and nintendo didnt come to any agreement and therefore megaman will not be included. Sakurai may have tryed but it didn't work out, we don't know. Either way the fact that most likely Square and Nintendo managed to work things and come to an agreement is good news by a long shot.

Also what you say about galaxy could be true and would make sense BUUUT! They set dates for the games and knew exactly what they were getting themselves into. Don't forget why the hell would they make the date orginally December 3rd and then all the sudden change it? If the choice to push brawl back was marketing choice based around Galaxy then it would have been easier to just set the date later then galaxy in the first place, instead of change the date and piss a ton of people off? In my opinion it wasn't for galaxy they lost of tons of potential X-mas sales which brawl would have racked in, and galaxy would have sold fine. I think that the date change conviently gave galaxy time to bloom as you said, but it was not the root of the reason.

I stated my reasoning on the previous page.

There was no date for Japan. Reggie Fils-Aime said Dec 3rd and Sakurai rolled with it for the time being.

I seriously doubt that Capcom and Nintendo wouldn't have been able to work something out. Like you said, it's free promotion, but based upon what you say contradicts what Inafune said in the podcast (assuming he was telling the whole truth). And you didn't answer my second point. A Dec 3rd release date would have been ideal for promoting FFIV.

 

[UtopiaXD]

There was no date for Japan. Reggie Fils-Aime said Dec 3rd and Sakurai rolled with it for the time being.

I seriously doubt that Capcom and Nintendo wouldn't have been able to work something out. Like you said, it's free promotion, but based upon what you say contradicts what Inafune said in the podcast (assuming he was telling the whole truth). And you didn't answer my second point. A Dec 3rd release date would have been ideal for promoting FFIV.

You never know, maybe things with Capcom didn't work out. That's not the point, once again I will say this... the date push back for brawl was needed because ( and I will space this so you dont miss it)

1.They needed time to design Cecil's Character/Moveset. Also his inclusion in the story and all areas of the game.
2. Geno would need the exact same things done since it a was joint decision.
3.LEGAL things clearly would need to be worked out as well. 2 Months seems like a perfect time frame to get this stuff done.
4.Oviously they could always use extra to time to tweak things, this was also being done. Don't forget they most likely wanted to add a SMRPG or FFIV stage.

These are the bulk of my reasons for the delay. Again this is all my speculation, I don't necessarly believe this is all what happened. If the leaked info is true then this is my opinion on the reasoning behind it.

 

[smashbot226]

Exactly my point, people say some characters like Waluigi are important to the Mario franchise because he keeps recurring in their sports/party games. But we all saw that happened there >_>. Also back when SSB 64 came out, Luigi was only known as a supporting character since the only game he had his own was "Mario Is Missing" which was horrible, sold horribly, and mostly no one even heard or knew about.

NEVER EVER compare Luigi's fate with Geno's.

Luigi has more major supporting roles than Geno before SSB! Super Mario Bros? Super Mario Bros. 3? Mario Party? Mario Kart 64?

Hmm... Geno has been in SMRPG? Well, what a shame!

Also, most people wanted Waluigi in because if there was Mario, Luigi, AND Wario, why not add Waluigi?

 

[Cless]

You never know, maybe things with Capcom didn't work out. That's not the point, once again I will say this... the date push back for brawl was needed because ( and I will space this so you dont miss it)

1.They needed time to design Cecil's Character/Moveset. Also his inclusion on the story and all areas of the game.
2. Geno would need the exact same things done since the it was joint decision.
3.LEGAL things clearly would need to be worked out as well. 2 Months seems like a perfect time frame to get this stuff done.
4.Oviously they could always use extra to time to tweak things, this was also being done. Don't forget they most likely wanted to add a SMRPG or FFIV stage.

These are the bulk of my reasons for the delay. Again this is all my speculation, I don't necessarly believe this is all what happened. If the leaked info is true then this is my opinion on the reasoning behind it.

They have to have had the roster and everything done for a while. This game has been in development for 2 years and has a huge team behind it. Nintendo wouldn't want to waste their money developing things that would eventually not be used due to legal issues. If Geno and Cecil were in the game, they've been made and done a long time ago. Melee was made in 10 months and had about 20 completely original movesets. Why would they wait until the last minute to talk to Squeenix about character inclusions and then delay it only for America just so that they could rush two characters in two months?

 

[UtopiaXD]

They have to have had the roster and everything done for a while. This game has been in development for 2 years and has a huge team behind it. Nintendo wouldn't want to waste their money developing things that would eventually not be used due to legal issues. If Geno and Cecil were in the game, they've been made and done a long time ago. Melee was made in 10 months and had about 20 completely original movesets. Why would they wait until the last minute to talk to Squeenix about character inclusions and then delay it only for America just so that they could rush two characters in two months?

I never said when they orginally met with Square to speak about this, but all I was saying is that by the time that worked out everything they decided that they would need some extra time to get what they still needed to get done as well the additional characters and stages. Dont forget about how multiple clones were added last second in melee. Last second additions are totally possible and when I say last minute im talking about when they pushed the date back they decided they needed more time to finsh everything up. I never said that for example Square and Nintendo made this agreement like a month before the orginal SSBB release date. It could have been at any time but with everything else they were doing it may have come down to they needing more time to get it done.

 

[Deleted member]

NEVER EVER compare Luigi's fate with Geno's.

Luigi has more major supporting roles than Geno before SSB! Super Mario Bros? Super Mario Bros. 3? Mario Party? Mario Kart 64?

Mario Party and Mario Kart are spin offs. They mean nothing to the series except for fun and games.

Hmm... Geno has been in SMRPG? Well, what a shame!

With the biggest role in the game and everyone supporting him on his quest.

Also, most people wanted Waluigi in because if there was Mario, Luigi, AND Wario, why not add Waluigi?

Because Wario had his own series. Hint the Wario Ware outfit. -__-;

 

[Cless]

Those were clones. All they had to do was change the properties of the moves and maybe give them a couple of different moves and boom, character's done. I just don't see the reason to delay the game's Japanese release date to a month after the Japanese release date of FFIV when they want to promote the character. Roy was put into Melee to promote FE6 before the release of FE6.

I think that they delayed it to let Galaxy have its time in the sun and to put finishing touches on already complete things such as wifi and stage builder. They also probably used this time to slightly alter and fix already complete characters so that they'd be more balanced. This is what E for All and Jumpfesta was for.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

"Most people wanted Waluigi"

Who the hell wanted Waluigi???

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Because Wario had his own series. Hint the Wario Ware outfit. -__-;

But he also has overalls in Brawl. ZING!

Also, most people wanted Waluigi in because if there was Mario, Luigi, AND Wario, why not add Waluigi?

Hi, how are you doing, and welcome. You must be new to the forum.

 

[Deleted member]

But he also has overalls in Brawl. ZING!

Wario Land.

 

[RegalBuster]

"Most people wanted Waluigi"

Who the hell wanted Waluigi???

Yeah exactly Waluigi was a major loser.

 

[Shuma]

I heard someone say Waluigi. So i came. **** NO, NO ONE EVER WHANTED WALUIGI IN THE GAME!.

And if you whanted him. Ha-Ha!.

-Shuma out.

*dissapears in the shadows*

 

[Shadow Star]

*comes in late*

So, anything new besides the usual?

I posted a Geno picture I drew a few pages back. Should I re-post it for you? You can see it in my sig, but the bigger version looks better.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I posted a Geno picture I drew a few pages back. Should I re-post it for you? You can see it in my sig, but the bigger version looks better.

Sure.

*yawn*

I'm just sitting here waiting for the update and I need to see something interesting.

 

[Shadow Star]

Interesting enough for you?

 

[Fatmanonice]

You definately have artistic talent. Is this part of a full body picture or did you just draw his profile?

 

[IsmaR]

Interesting enough for you?

Awesome :3
Nice sig too.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

WE should all go back to our roots, to the peaceful days of the Geno thread


and produce more artwork like back then...

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Hey, that's pretty good. Nice job Shadow Star.

 

[Shadow Star]

You definately have artistic talent. Is this part of a full body picture or did you just draw his profile?

Just his profile. I've tried to draw him full-body many, many times and have failed miserably. I really suck at drawing bodies, so I don't have much talent, but this came out a lot better than I expected.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Just his profile. I've tried to draw him full-body many, many times and have failed miserably. I really suck at drawing bodies, so I don't have much talent, but this came out a lot better than I expected.

You got the exact opposite problem of me...

 

[Shadow Star]

WE should all go back to our roots, to the peaceful days of the Geno thread


and produce more artwork like back then...

I really wish we could, but the trolls and Geno Haters are making that very hard to do. Everyone's getting obsessed with debating and arguing, instead of spending that time on artwork.

Maybe from now on, we shouldn't respond to ANYTHING Anti-Geno. If we just ignore trolls and Geno haters, they'll eventually leave. Why would they stay if no one is listening to them?

 

[Deleted member]

Just his profile. I've tried to draw him full-body many, many times and have failed miserably. I really suck at drawing bodies, so I don't have much talent, but this came out a lot better than I expected.

Keep trying. Good luck. Oh, remember to try and make his upper body all masculine. =P Thick near the chest and a little narrow on the stomach area. =P

 

[igloo9]

Its 1:04 Am here. Why no update?

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Its 1:04 Am here. Why no update?

Yeah, we it's here. Yoshi's Island, Corneria, Onett, Rainbow Ride, and Brinstar.

Melee stages returning part two.

 

[Shadow Star]

You got the exact opposite problem of me...

What? You can draw bodies well, but not the faces?

Maybe we should combine our talents! I draw the face and you draw the rest!

 

[Shadow Star]

Keep trying. Good luck. Oh, remember to try and make his upper body all masculine. =P Thick near the chest and a little narrow on the stomach area. =P

Thank you for the tips! The problem that I always have with drawing Geno is that I can never figure out how his body is supposed to really look. I see so many people drawing him in so many different ways that I get confused.

 

[smashbot226]

To every single person here:

God****it, I meant that everyone that wanted Waluigi in was because of the correlation...

To Foz: What... the... HELL?!? GENO HAD THE BIGGEST ROLE IN SMRPG?!?

Try, oh I don't know, MARIO?!? OR SMITHY?!? EVEN GOD ****ED MALLOW?!?

 

[IsmaR]

To every single person here:

God****it, I meant that everyone that wanted Waluigi in was because of the correlation...

To Foz: What... the... HELL?!? GENO HAD THE BIGGEST ROLE IN SMRPG?!?

Try, oh I don't know, MARIO?!? OR SMITHY?!? EVEN GOD ****ED MALLOW?!?

What's up with the freak out?

 

[smashbot226]

:embarrass

Geno did NOT have the biggest role in SMRPG.

Somebody went all logic defiant and said they had the biggest role in SMRPG.

That is CERTAINLY not the case, however, as MARIO has the largest role.

Not some wooden living, attention hogging, slot filling, piece of garbage.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

:embarrass

Geno did NOT have the biggest role in SMRPG.

Somebody went all logic defiant and said they had the biggest role in SMRPG.

That is CERTAINLY not the case, however, as MARIO has the largest role.

Not some wooden living, attention hogging, slot filling, piece of garbage.

Geno was basically the hero of Mario RPG, with Mario as the main protagonist joining his quest

 

[IsmaR]

Coming from the guy who wants Shy guy for Brawl...

 

[smashbot226]

At least I'm not friggin' worshipping him like some long lost idol!

And Geno was a SUPPORTING CHARACTER. So was Bowser Jr, Luigi, and in one special case, Shy Guy.

 

[Skeppio]

At least I'm not friggin' worshipping him like some long lost idol!

And Geno was a SUPPORTING CHARACTER. So was Bowser Jr, Luigi, and in one special case, Shy Guy.

Dude, calm the f**k down! I agree that Geno may not have had the biggest role, seeing as Mario pretty much absorbs the spotlight since it is his game. But still, Geno was Mario's guide through the game. He had one hell of a huge role in the game. He's one of the characters that truly deserves a place in Brawl. If you hate Geno, why are you on the GENO board? Just go somewhere else, jeez.

 

[antimatter]

this rumor has made me one happy panda. SYLUX HAS MADE IT IF THE RUMOR IS TRUE!

 

[Enigma14]

...So

Theres alot of things I want to point out for the haters at the moment:

1. Sure we are fan boys but in this case fangirls....like SWM or Akina

2. Geno had the most importance plot wise, Mario playable

3. TBH I played SMRPG on ROM 2 years ago, and started supporting him similar to what FOZ did

4. I'm sick of the haters hating us for a character thats obscure, even though Sakurai likes obscure

5. Geno did better on the polls then anyone, except those he tied with:

*King Dedede(5) - CONFIRMED
*Diddy Kong(4) - CONFIRMED
*Geno(4/5) (1 of his voters just wanted his music, but then changed his mind and added, "might as well include Geno")
*Ike(4) - CONFIRMED
*Ridley(4)

Don't see, Cecil, Waluigi, Daisy, Toad, Lucario, Wolf, Cloud, Sorra, Black Mage, Moogle, or anyone else popular there, cept' Ike, despite him being the main character of his game.

6. I have the wiki

7. We go over the same arguments everday, this is why I wish the front page was often edited.

8. ASK SEROSFAN ABOUT THE LOOPHOLE

9. Nintendo and SE ARE ON GOOD TERMS, or else FF related or SE related game wouldn't have been on the DS or Gamcube

10. Anyone who wants a generic/filler character over a unique character must have something be wrong with them, like wanting Waluigi or a Koopa or a Shy Guy or Moogle or Black Mage

11. DON'T HATE A CHARACTER JUST BECAUSE OF THE FANS. DON't HATE US FANS JUST BECAUSE WE SUPPORT A CHARACTER, ASK THE ASHLEY, RIDLEY, CLAUS, LIP OR ANY OTHER CHARACTER AND THEY WILL DEFEND THEM!

 

[Cless]

Psh, played on a ROM. Hardcore SMRPG fans played the game when it came out, like I did.

 

[Enigma14]

Psh, played on a ROM. Hardcore SMRPG fans played the game when it came out, like I did.

HardCore fans played it multiple times, like fatmanonice. Sorry I wasn't old enough to own a SNES. Jeez, anyways it doesn't matter since we all are fans.

 

[Cless]

I wasn't being serious. That's what the laughing smiley was for.

I played through it multiple times, but I have other games and stuff to play.

 

[smashbot226]

Calling Geno a valuable part of the plot is like calling Mallow a valuable part of the plot...

And while I admit that Geno on Sakurai's poll DOES help him...

Well, alongside characters like Cpt. Syrup, Link's Uncle, and James friggin' Bond...

THAT doesn't help him...