The Official Chat with Emblem Lord Thread

[adumbrodeus]

Nah, that's typical EL talk. He's always telling people to main Meta, lol.

And, personally, I am more comfortable as a Marth main because I don't know if I'm actually good or if it's just the character when I play MK. He's too easy to play cookie cutter and win. I mained MK for the first month Brawl came out. I still love him, but I turned back to Marth because of my loyalty to him from my Melee days, and I think he's funner to play/more important to win with.

But . . . that's just me.

Yes, it's typical for EL to be cynical, the clearer MK's advantage became, the cynical he became about this.


I play MK too btw...

Winning isn't everything.

But if you are playing to win then do so fully and don't hold back.

I don't play to win. I play to improve and test my limits. If I happen to win it's a nice little bonus.

If I wanted to win I would not play Marth in tournament though. Just like I wouldn't play Akuma in a 3s tournament or Xianghua in a Soul Caliber IV tournament. They might be some of my favorite characters, but they have a harder time winning in a tournament setting.

Well, I don't quite think it's comparable since Marth is probably the second-best character in this game... still MK is legions better so I guess it's true anyway.

How about Akuma in Super Turbo in Japan? Lol, soft ban violators ftw!

 

[Emblem Lord]

Marth isn't second best.

Snake is.

Marth is most likely ranked 5th in the game.

And I'm not cynical.

I'm honest and realistic.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

just curious who were you maining before?

The random button. But I tend to stick to Snake for tournaments. I've just been evolving my skills as a player, and it seems I may be changing my playstyle in a way that Snake will only hold me back.

Panda: I will never understand you players who go from a superior character to an inferior character.

EL: I'll never understand you players who severely underrate themselves/their characters and think that the tiers are set in stone 5 months into the game <3

 

[Emblem Lord]

Rofl.

Tiers are pretty simple to figure out.

Most people just don't understand what makes characters good or not and communities tend to disagree which slows down the process.

I don't overrate or underestimate Marth.

He is what he is. A great character, but not amazing.

Snake however, IS amazing.

As for underrating myself...*shurgs*

I am what I am. An eternal seeker of knowledge in fighting games.

How I do in tournaments or how Marth does in tournaments has no bearing on the path that I have chosen.

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm too jealous of you Panda. I want to main the Random Button, but I like Marth too much, lol.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Rofl.

Tiers are pretty simple to figure out.

Most people just don't understand what makes characters good or not and communities tend to disagree which slows down the process.

I disagree with that statement ^_^

Snake however, IS amazing.

I also disagree with this statement ^_^

 

[Emblem Lord]

As much I love debating I'll leave it alone because I'm having too much fun analyzing Yu Yu Hakusho Final.

That and this debate would be pointless anyway.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Marth isn't second best.

Snake is.

Marth is most likely ranked 5th in the game.

And I'm not cynical.

I'm honest and realistic.

I'm not refering to rankings, I'm referring to who would be the top character if MK magically vanished.

And next down the line would be character that would be best if MK and Marth magically vanished.

etc.

Marth has match-ups better suited for top tier then Snake, but MK has more influence on his rankings then Snake's or any of the other high tier characters. Snake seems to have actual soft counters, besides MK, Marth doesn't really seem to.


Realistically speaking, MK is such a dominating character that his mere presence massively skews tournament rankings (such as Snake being top tier a bit back).


Yeah, I know, it's little more then a thought experiment since it doesn't have any realistic application, but based on what we have it seems to be the case.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh, I actually had a real question for you EL. I had forgotten it, which is why my last post was so filler, but I remember it now.

As you've probably noticed, Montage is falling apart. What're you going to do in this situation? Leave, stay, join another crew, go back to TSA?

 

[Emblem Lord]

TSA is just as dead as Montage.

I'll just do my own thing.

Although honestly it matters little since I don't go to tournaments so I'm not really effected by this.

 

[3xSwords]

Seriously? Montage is falling apart? Does that mean the one coming up this weekend is going to be the last one?

 

[Pierce7d]

The Montage tournament hosted this weekend is canceled because Inui's grandpa died. :-(

But they've started a new crew called Enemy Controller, lead by Atmosk. You considering joining them EL?

 

[Luck-NYC/NJ]

haha naw EL's gonna join Demigodz. once i start playing him again and bribe him with competition in the obscure fighting games he likes he'll have no other choice.

 

[3xSwords]

Aww that's so sad.

So like any reason why Montage is breaking up? And will Enemy Controller hold tourneys?

 

[Pierce7d]

Aww that's so sad.

So like any reason why Montage is breaking up? And will Enemy Controller hold tourneys?

By the looks of it, yeah, Inui will still be hosting Tourneys.

And DmBrandom quit Brawl, and still didn't even bother to tell anyone or let his crew know. He's playing WoW now, and we only know cause one of his crew members called him and found out like, last night or this morning, lol. Some crew leader. It's a shame, cause he was actually pretty cool.

 

[Steel]

Emblem Lord why was I able to learn how to play GW in 2 matches when it took my Marth weeks/months?

 

[Zankoku]

Because G&W is a two-dimensional character with a one-dimensional strategy.

 

[VietGeek]

Because G&W is a two-dimensional character with a one-dimensional strategy.

Walls of spam?

Actually, perhaps his Chef attack throws....hordes of SPAM at us?

 

[Steel]

I feel this is a fantastic place to put my 700th post.

 

[JhMS]

Killer Instinct...ugh.

What?Well I think KI is amazing.
I would like to hear why you dont like it.

 

[MaxThunder]

... if your fighting against a wolf and your in the air and you know he is going to f-smash you when you land... is it better to use a fastfalled fair or just a counter? or is something else better?

 

[Darxmarth23]

... if your fighting against a wolf and your in the air and you know he is going to f-smash you when you land... is it better to use a fastfalled fair or just a counter? or is something else better?

Counter.

 

[MaxThunder]

ah.. i remebered somethings thats been anoying me... sometimes when i play marth and my damage is about 50%... if i get hit in the air just after my initial jump i lose my double jump... and ometimes i just starts falling until i either hit the ground or someine attacks me... i have died countless times because of this... have anyone else noticed something like this?

this also tend to happen if i get hit by a bumper in the air after my double jump... that is very anoying when i'm playing judofyr in bumper battles... thats whith only item bumper on high=) and the smallest custom stage you can make... its fun cause you got no controll...... though i dont think this really is an important issue...

Edit*: i just remembered that sometimes when i get hit out of dolphin slash i also start falling unable to do anything... thus halting my recovery... and making me die...

 

[Kinzer]

Hey I'm back, and now I need to know how you can aerial boost with Marth's first DB strike, I was able to do it in Melee but now for me it's just luck, how do i control it to give me an extra push?

 

[3xSwords]

A lot of this could be in the Q&A thread.

Anyway MaxThunder if you are playing with bumpers on high b/c having no control is fun why are you complaining that you have "no control"?

Errrr. yeah anyway basically you are double jumping and getting hit. Nothing else to it. %'s does not affect this.

@Kinzer do it at the peak of your first or second jump and you will get a vertical boost.

@Ankoku lol

 

[darkspatan117]

hey el wonder who do you think is better in SC IV Rock or Astaroth

 

[Emblem Lord]

JhMS: Cinder can glitch the game to do infinites and so can other characters I think. Also I just don't like the look of the game in general. *shrugs.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=TyTdFT8u5WI&feature=related

darkspartan: If you post one more random post I will report you to a mod.

Lucky for you this is a thread that is all random post pretty much.

Astaroth is leagues ahead of Rock in every game they both appear in.

 

[MaxThunder]

A lot of this could be in the Q&A thread.

Anyway MaxThunder if you are playing with bumpers on high b/c having no control is fun why are you complaining that you have "no control"?

Errrr. yeah anyway basically you are double jumping and getting hit. Nothing else to it. %'s does not affect this.

@Kinzer do it at the peak of your first or second jump and you will get a vertical boost.

@Ankoku lol

i diddent complain about having no controll... and its not just double jumping and getting hit... it happends if i get hit nearly the moment after my INITIAL jump... and when i said i sometimes start falling i meant more like tumbling down... like the air tripping whith sonic...

 

[3xSwords]

Ok look if you can not do your second jump you obviously used it right before you got hit. There is no other way to explain it. You can buffer a second jump in with the initial jump, so it may seem you only did your initial jump but you lost your second jump.

Edit: Dunno about your air tripping thing though.... Nobody ever did prove if it was real or not.

And could you please explain it better I feel like I'm explaining a misunderstanding. Want to post a video or something because I really don't understand what your problem is.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Hey EL, are you still going to make a doubles guide for Marth even with that character discussion for doubles up? Just wondering because you made a reference to a doubles guide a while back.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Yeah, I will.

I could probably do it now.

I made one for Melee Marth and it was 100% theory, but people loved it anyway.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Yeah I remember that. It didn't totally work for me, but I always figured that I just wasn't following your advice well enough lol.

You do it whenever you want to I guess. I just wanted to see your outlook on doubles since I'm very poor at those matches with Marth.

 

[Kinzer]

@Kinzer do it at the peak of your first or second jump and you will get a vertical boost.

So what is the peak of his jumps anyway, is it suppose to be after his flip animation?

 

[Emblem Lord]

When you reach the full height. That's all.

 

[Kinzer]

Practice makes perfet, right? *sigh* At least it will be worth it when I can remaster the boost recovery again...

 

[crazn137]

Yeah, I will.

I could probably do it now.

I made one for Melee Marth and it was 100% theory, but people loved it anyway.

I'd totally make a cake for you. I'd post a pic of it. It'd be a pretty delicious cake too

 

[Shaya]

Pretty much it works like this Kinzer:
JUMP, press forward b in a relaxed manner.

It's not a rush thing like doing the up smash boost thingy. It's quite a simple thing (if you're using x,y buttons)

Have your control stick facing forwards/backwards (whatever), press x/y, then relaxingly press b. wallah, magix!

 

[Fatalzyntax]

Just don't DB while your falling... with any rising part of the jump your going to boost with DB

 

[MaxThunder]

Ok look if you can not do your second jump you obviously used it right before you got hit. There is no other way to explain it. You can buffer a second jump in with the initial jump, so it may seem you only did your initial jump but you lost your second jump.

Edit: Dunno about your air tripping thing though.... Nobody ever did prove if it was real or not.

And could you please explain it better I feel like I'm explaining a misunderstanding. Want to post a video or something because I really don't understand what your problem is.

... i dont really understand it either... so i cant explain any better... and i got no means of making videos right now... and the air tripping thingy was proved to be a sonic glitch... what i meant whith like the air tripping is that i just fall down... like after a up-b....

 

[Kizzu-kun]

The Montage tournament hosted this weekend is canceled because Inui's grandpa died. :-(

But they've started a new crew called Enemy Controller, lead by Atmosk. You considering joining them EL?

Wtf.

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