The Official BBR Tier List v4 -> Sonic's HA Stall is NOT beaten by spot dodge!!!!!!!!

[ShadowLink84]

Just out of curiosity...

How does saying he runs 60 frames faster describe the speed difference

That's only a time unit... needs a distance to go with if it were to actually show the difference, I would think. o.o

Is it just across the length of FD or something?

Sorry i was assuming the size of a test stage i made.
Sonic is MUCH faster in terms of movement speed than Falcon by a large amount.


quote]I'm ALMOST POSITIVE that Pit's glide is faster.[/quote]
I could have sworn MK's glide speed was faster. Maybe its due to Pit's more snesitive glide. It just, seems slower to me for some reason.

 

[solecalibur]

quote]I'm ALMOST POSITIVE that Pit's glide is faster.

I could have sworn MK's glide speed was faster. Maybe its due to Pit's more snesitive glide. It just, seems slower to me for some reason.[/QUOTE]

If you check remember shuttleloop has a slower glide

 

[Kitamerby]

Sorry i was assuming the size of a test stage i made.
Sonic is MUCH faster in terms of movement speed than Falcon by a large amount.

Top eleven dash speeds in Brawl are as follows, along with the value given to their speed according to the game data. You can use this to form ratios if you wish.

1. Sonic (3.50)
2. Captain Falcon (2.18)
3. Fox (2.08)
4. Zero Suit Samus (1.93)
5. Sheik (1.92)
6. Meta Knight (1.85)
7. Charizard (1.80)
8. Pikachu (1.76)
9. Diddy Kong (1.72)
10. Marth (1.70)
11. Yoshi (1.68)


I'd say 3.50 is a GREAT DEAL FASTER than Falcon's 2.18 lol

 

[Z'zgashi]

@DMG forever ago (pg 16)

I never said falco could be as good as mk I said he could be as BROKEN as mk. I don't think he could ever be what mk is but he could make second if it weren't for gimpability and crap recovery. And about the ic matchup, yes I no, I said that

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

The only noticeable difference in glides with pit vs MK is that pit's glide attack doesn't stop his momentum nearly as much as MK's does. At least from observation.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yeah about ROB. I feel like the main reasons he went down are

1) Metaknight MU
2) Underrep

Thoughts?

Also mgw matchup

 

[Meru.]

Oh wow, I hate this tier list. Zelda's place makes me laugh. Pit +4? Why? Captain Falcon not bottom and better than Jiggly, Samus, Zelda and Link? IC's/Marth > Wario? GW 12th?

Pff....

 

[Tetsion]

I saw quite a bit of ppl asking why Pit is getting higher.

Simply Pit is underplayed. Japan for example thinks Pit is cooler than Americans think. He is even anime styled as a character, but american's like stereo typical men. Captain falcon, Snake, Ike (i see it all the time, i enjoy falcon and ike but I see it a lot. Can't deny it, that's how most typical american guys like I guess lol)

give him a arrow and ya here "gay/spam" tornado and grenades i never heard people complain about until recently. anyways im just going to get off on a tangent.

Pit is high tier in both Japan and Mexico for example, also a side note so is FOX. Yet in Japan Wario is a lower tier than he is now, they have under developed wario chars. Just as we IMHO have under developed Pit and especially Fox players.

think ill make a thread about it. lolz~

 

[Z'zgashi]

IMO this is what it should be

S - Meta Knight
A - Snake, Diddy Kong, Falco, Marth, Wario, King Dedede
B - Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Zero Suit Samus, Olimar, Pikachu
C - Lucario, Kirby, R.O.B., Pit, Toon Link
D - Peach, Donkey Kong, Fox, Wolf, Luigi
E - Sheik, Sonic, Ness, Bowser, Mario
F - Lucas, Pokemon Trainer, Ike, Yoshi, Jigglypuff, Samus, Captain Falcon
G - Link, Zelda, Ganondorf

Not to many changes but still

 

[YagamiLight]

Simply Pit is underplayed. Japan for example thinks Pit is cooler than Americans think. He is even anime styled as a character, but american's like stereo typical men. Captain falcon, Snake, Ike (i see it all the time, i enjoy falcon and ike but I see it a lot. Can't deny it, that's how most typical american guys like I guess lol)

All those typical blue haired Americans with cloaks are taking away Pit's representation.

 

[JOE!]

Wait, why isnt this a tier list of who's better in the SBR?

this title is misleading...

 

[Silly Kyle]

Zelda should not have dropped 9 spots. This tier list has some flaws already, it's unfortunate.

 

[The Filipino Falco]

Noooo, G&W!!!

Falco still has it. But he's just solid. How I wish he could win a big tournament.

Good job on the part of Diddy and ICs, not to mention Ness, Pit, Lucario and CF.

Toon Link, go for B Tier or higher. :>

Zelda, 35th? Hell no.

 

[B!squick]

I came, I lol'd, enough said.

 

[DZLE]

Gonna start playing Falcon in HUGE tournies and winning

Bustin out my new Falcon AT's like

YESZ Cancelling
DBU's (Double Up-airs)
Manly-manning
GITK's (Get in the kitchens)
AND NEW: SGC (Shy Guy Cancel) USING THE KNEE.


Just you wait

 

[Viperdev]

I could have sworn MK's glide speed was faster. Maybe its due to Pit's more snesitive glide. It just, seems slower to me for some reason.

pit can glide as fast as captain falcon can run

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Yoshi didn't seem to move anywhere while Mario and Zelda dropped. I'm not gonna ask about Zelda, but could you explain why Mario had such a drop that deserved Yoshi to be above him? I'm mainly curious to hear you guys thoughts.

I was wondering the same thing myself. Mario has been underrated a lot. Problem is, he doesn't have much advantages against the higher tiered characters; limited attack range, poor grab range, limited killing potential (often relying on smash attacks for KOs), and predictable recovery.

How Yoshi could be above Mario is strange, since Yoshi doesn't feature a lot of killing potential (often relying on f-smashes, f-airs, and u-airs for KOs). Additionally, his grab attempts are not as reliable as his Egg Lay move. At least his Egg Throw has some third jump properties, along with his second jump's flinch resistance. Regardless though, Melee Yoshi tends to be fairly better in general.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

All those typical blue haired Americans with cloaks are taking away Pit's representation.

its all about the Wifi fsmash

 

[Frown]

How Yoshi could be above Mario is strange, since Yoshi doesn't feature a lot of killing potential (often relying on f-smashes, f-airs, and u-airs for KOs). Additionally, his grab attempts are not as reliable as his Egg Lay move. At least his Egg Throw has some third jump properties, along with his second jump's flinch resistance. Regardless though, Melee Yoshi tends to be fairly better in general.

Uh, this post had quite a lot of faults but... I'll just keep quiet.

I'm quite satisfied with Yoshi's placement. He shouldn't be higher than this though.

 

[Hoshi No Senshi Meta Knight]

its all about the Wifi fsmash

That is so true :/
Pit can glide faster than Falcon can run? What the hell? How is that possible..?

Gonna start playing Falcon in HUGE tournies and winning

Bustin out my new Falcon AT's like

YESZ Cancelling
DBU's (Double Up-airs)
Manly-manning
GITK's (Get in the kitchens)
AND NEW: SGC (Shy Guy Cancel) USING THE KNEE.


Just you wait

I lol'd at this, someone should make a video of your new Falcon ATs

 

[Dark 3nergy]

That is so true :/
Pit can glide faster than Falcon can run? What the hell? How is that possible..?

I lol'd at this, someone should make a video of your new Falcon ATs

you know what, if i were you i wouldnt just post a response i'd just post my sig to piss people off

because mk playing light bright in such a ******** fashion angers the very depths of my soul

 

[Hoshi No Senshi Meta Knight]

you know what, if i were you i wouldnt just post a response i'd just post my sig to piss people off

because mk playing light bright in such a ******** fashion angers the very depths of my soul

>_> Who said I was showing off my signature?
Just wondering on how Pit's glide is faster than Mk's glide and Falcon's dash.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

i was being frank

i doubt any one cares about pits glide






























except maybe the pit mains, but then again no one loves pit mains

 

[Hoshi No Senshi Meta Knight]

i was being frank

i doubt any one cares about pits glid
except maybe the pit mains, but then again no one loves pit mains

Yeah I guess you're right :/
I'm glad Marth moved 1 place up, and DeDeDe is not longer A-tier. Zelda dropped like heck though, seriously, does she suck THAT much?
Edit: Deleted my whole signature for your sanity.

 

[llamapaste]

Why is Pit above Zss and Kirby? Kirby is high tier behind Gaw.

 

[Hoshi No Senshi Meta Knight]

Why is Pit above Zss and Kirby? Kirby is high tier behind Gaw.

Because Pit has moved up the list. Someone did good with Pit I suppose.

 

[Vmage]

No what happened to kirby. He moved down. Still in the top middle tier though.

 

[Viperdev]

>_> Who said I was showing off my signature?
Just wondering on how Pit's glide is faster than Mk's glide and Falcon's dash.

hes not faster then falcons dash, just as fast as

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ffepZ8plI

 

[Browny]

because I care

---
Metaknight: No ones ever going to take my spot, Ill just hang down here for a while, maybe an entire match.
Snake: ALMOST... THERE
Diddy: what goes up must come down...
IC's: theres only room for 2 chaingrabbers in this tier
Falco: Get out of my tier Marth!
Marth: IM NOT JOINING THEM DOWN THERE!

DDD: *splat*
Pikachu: Enjoy high tier while you can...
Lucario: THIS is my true power!
Olimar: lol kirby
G&W: ITS ALL YOUR FAULT MARTH

Pit: If I do this for 8 minutes for 6 months ill get another +4 boost right?
TL: I can relax all day, im not going anywhere
ZSS: leapfrog!
ROB: What did I ever do to deserve this humiliation...
Kirby: Is it over?

Wolf: Can't let you be mid tier Star Fox!
Fox: Is there ANYTHING you will let me do?
Peach/DK/Luigi: Help! we appear to be stuck here

Sheik: Someone help me up... anyone?
Sonic: Taking a break for the first time in his life, wondering what he did wrong
Ness: Bye Lucas... *FINALLY WHERE I BELONG!*
Bowser: I can sit here all day...
Squirtle: Grab release this!

Ike: One day... one day I'll recover
Jigglypuff/Yoshi: *doesnt know whats going on, but is happy to still be a playable character*
Mario: Which way is up again?
Lucas: NESS DONT LEAVE ME ALL ALONE!
Samus: The guardian of bottom tier lets her guard down for a fraction of a second...
Falcon: FALCON SNEAK!

Ganon: YOU MUST DIE!
Zelda: Lot of good wisdom did...
Link: Sigh...
---

Still need something for Wario to be thinking

 

[Hoshi No Senshi Meta Knight]

hes not faster then falcons dash, just as fast as

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ffepZ8plI

Thanks for clearing that up

@Dj
Win, that picture is win.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Paint is so cool.

 

[Kewkky]

Kirby should be #13! *shakes fist*

I always reserved my opinions when people asked me if Lucario was better than Kirby, cuz it's true. But he has an easier time around the stage and opponents' OoS harasses than ZSS does, so he should've stayed over ZSS. I also think TL should be below Kirby and above ZSS, and that PIT SHOULD GTFO (So Kirby #13, TL #14, ZSS #15 respectively in my opinion... Pit? Maybe below ROB #16, Pit should've been #17).

This list makes me wanna play lots of Pits and **** em up.


Edit: Added colors for fruity goodness.

 

[Red Arremer]

Haha, Ganon airchoking Zelda into Bottom level is too good.

 

[Turbo Ether]

Pit isn't really all that bad.

He has solid moveset and the ability to Plank and Scrooge well. He doesn't get caught in stupid exploitive combos either. He has a good amount of options, they're just not overwhelmingly powerful.

 

[FailX]

the triforce is complete now (on the bottom)
but a think rob should be on the place where toon link is...
and I think lucario is a bit overestimated.

 

[Hoshi No Senshi Meta Knight]

the triforce is complete now (on the bottom)
but a think rob should be on the place where toon link is...

Nice, I think the Triforce of Shame (aka G tier) will become a meme or something.
I'm a little sad that Ike went down though :l

 

[Browny]

I really hope this entire thread doesnt devolve into 'pit sucks' 'zelda isnt that bad' ad nauseum for another 8 months... it wont change anything >_<

 

[Hoshi No Senshi Meta Knight]

I really hope this entire thread doesnt devolve into 'pit sucks' 'zelda isnt that bad' ad nauseum for another 8 months... it wont change anything >_<

Yeah, I agree :/

 

[llamapaste]

because I care

---
Metaknight: No ones ever going to take my spot, Ill just hang down here for a while, maybe an entire match.
Snake: ALMOST... THERE
Diddy: what goes up must come down...
IC's: theres only room for 2 chaingrabbers in this tier
Falco: Get out of my tier Marth!
Marth: IM NOT GOING BACK DOWN THERE AGAIN

DDD: *splat*
Pikachu: Enjoy high tier while you can...
Lucario: THIS is my true power!
Olimar: lol kirby
G&W: ITS ALL YOUR FAULT MARTH

Pit: If I do this for 8 minutes for 6 months ill get another +4 boost right?
TL: I can relax all day, im not going anywhere
ZSS: leapfrog!
ROB: What did I ever do to deserve this humiliation...
Kirby: Is it over?

Wolf: Can't let you be mid tier Star Fox!
Fox: Is there ANYTHING you will let me do?
Peach/DK/Luigi: Help! we appear to be stuck here

Sheik: SO CLOSE
Sonic: Taking a break for the first time in his life, wondering what he did wrong
Ness: Bye Lucas... *FINALLY WHERE I BELONG!*
Bowser: I can sit here all day...
Squirtle: Grab release this!

Ike: One day... one day I'll recover
Jigglypuff/Yoshi: *doesnt know whats going on, but is happy to still be a playable character*
Mario: Which way is up again?
Lucas: NESS DONT LEAVE ME ALL ALONE!
Samus: The guardian of bottom tier lets her guard down for a fraction of a second...
Falcon: FALCON SNEAK!

Ganon: YOU MUST DIE!
Zelda: Lot of good wisdom did...
Link: Sigh...
---

Still need something for Wario to be thinking

Way too good DJ Browny! You forgot Wario's caption though.

 

[DarkISDA]

Wario: I'll just plank even more to gain back my spot!