Q&A The official "Ask Your Questions" thread

[DrewB008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqS7DEOqn0o&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhCvCmp_QM&

the only vids of my dk i have, and bigr is really taking it easy on me laser-wise

any noticeably bad habits i have or anything? something i try that you know doesnt really work, or something i dont try that does? ive always played dk some but ive been using him more lately and wanna step my game up

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Two things I noticed.

One is you seem to be in the air too much. Against Falco and especially on a small level, I feel like you should be trying to stay on the ground where you have more maneuverability. That isn't to say you shouldn't be jumping at all, but I felt like you were doublejumping to break out of tumble too much, and fulljumping in places where I thought you would've been better off with shorthops.

The second is that you got really predictable with your bairs. You started out with dashdances and that was good, but once you got into bair range, you dropped the dashdance entirely and only used one or two empty shorthops as your mindgame, which I don't think are really going to be enough. It's when you're close that you want to weave in and out so you can bait something that you can easily punish.

 

[KirbyKaze]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6430282&postcount=1

if you can't do this yet you're doing it wrong

 

[DtJ Jungle]

i did it right and sitll got hit.

 

[Strong Badam]

mexican you would be proud, i took a fox to Pokemon Stadium in tournament and 0-death'd him on the last stock when i had high %.
everyone was liek WHOA

 

[elvenarrow3000]

That's pretty sweet. I'm pretty sure when I'm down in stock, I just go for the lame kills.

 

[MEXICAN]

That's pretty sweet. I'm pretty sure when I'm down in stock, I just go for the lame kills.

Don't we all? lol. I was almost going to lose to zelgadis at yoshis in a friendly. I grabbed him, jumped off the stage and threw him back (i was facing the stage so i threw him out), and i don't know if it was bad DI or what, but he died instantly at 0 damage. hahaha

 

[elvenarrow3000]

That's awesome. I'm surprised he didn't wiggle out.

 

[otg]

Don't we all? lol. I was almost going to lose to zelgadis at yoshis in a friendly. I grabbed him, jumped off the stage and threw him back (i was facing the stage so i threw him out), and i don't know if it was bad DI or what, but he died instantly at 0 damage. hahaha

I did not want to post this here because of how good it is, but since you blew it up I shall. If you cargo stage spike people, they will die first unless they see it coming and Tech it. This works VERY VERY VERY well on BF and PS in particular because of the LIP on their stages. You can also do this on Dreamland, but you need to fall lower to get them underneath the level... and they have WAAAY more wiggle room to get out.

Pretty much:

Cargo-> drop off stage ->instantly bthrow under level -> Profit.

This is just a nice way to even up a game you are behind, or gain a bigger lead when you are ahead a stock. Don't rely on it, as people will learn to tech it and COULD... emphasis on COULD survive. It's not likely, but they could atleast live longer than you so you die first.

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

^^ mexican always does that to me lol

 

[otg]

^^ mexican always does that to me lol

Never seen him do it, nor has it ever been discussed. I'm not trying to take the credit for it, just passing on knowledge/

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Does that work better than cargo dthrowing them under the stage?

 

[DrewB008]

it works way better, they generally die before they even realize what happened, ive won sets basically due to that trick alone

anytime im at really high % and theyre at really low % i go for it, so long as im not down stock. most characters cant survive on battlefield without teching, so dont try to up b or anything cause you may save them and theres no chance of you living

it works on fd too but you need like perfect timing

 

[MEXICAN]

I try not to rely on this because higher levels WILL tech it, and if/when they do, you just killed yourself and they're sitting on the stage taunting you. lol. Some people can survive it even if you do it right and they don't tech. KFC survived it using marth at dreamland. I threw him under the stage, he teched it, did a forward b, second jump, forward b, and then did his up b and recovered after being thrown under dreamland. My advice, unless you're desperate, don't use it. If they're at decent damage, just walk off, fast fall, and on the way down, do the d throw. It takes time for the throw to actually happen, but once started, they cannot shake out of it, and only do this if you're ahead a stock or if you're at really high damage and they're at low damage.

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

KFC survived it using marth at dreamland. I threw him under the stage, he teched it, did a forward b, second jump, forward b, and then did his up b and recovered after being thrown under dreamland.

Yes, thats right. I survived the gimp. Why and HOW you ask? simply, because i am TOO GOOD.

yes thats right my insubordinates, you can only hope to achieve the level of awesomeness that is KFC.

now bow down, you insulent fooLs!!!!!!

 

[Strong Badam]

yeah I cargo down throw people below battlefield at times. most of my friends wiggle ridiculously so I usually have to settle for a combo

 

[MEXICAN]

Yes, thats right. I survived the gimp. Why and HOW you ask? simply, because i am TOO GOOD.

yes thats right my insubordinates, you can only hope to achieve the level of awesomeness that is KFC.

now bow down, you insulent fooLs!!!!!!

ALTHOUGH...i have gimped him in that way a thousand times, and that is ONCE that he survived it after having it done to him so many times. hahahahahahah

 

[JonaDiaper]

you can down throw in the air?

thats gay

 

[elvenarrow3000]

It doesn't send them straight down, it just sends them like straight out, but just a little.

 

[MEXICAN]

you can down throw in the air?

thats gay

I wish. If that was possible, don't you think you'd see that pretty often? He basically does an underhanded throw that just can't be DI'd as much, at least not up. They don't go very far at all though

 

[MEXICAN]

Anybody else in here a Steelers fan? haha. I'm a huge steelers fan. It was a great game too. Anyways, yeah...back to smash....expect a combo vid in the next month or two...

 

[JonaDiaper]

I wish. If that was possible, don't you think you'd see that pretty often? He basically does an underhanded throw that just can't be DI'd as much, at least not up. They don't go very far at all though

werd true, but nah i just here cuz otg is gay and beats me with dk

Anybody else in here a Steelers fan? haha. I'm a huge steelers fan. It was a great game too. Anyways, yeah...back to smash....expect a combo vid in the next month or two...

hells yea, yo i wanted to turn off the tv when arizona scored i got so tight, but my boy #10 is too good, i forgot his name but hes a beast. ben did awesome, i was sad palomalu didnt get that much action, hes the main attraction

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Steelers suck.

<_<

 

[MEXICAN]

Steelers suck.

<_<

lol, you can say that you don't like the steelers, but you're an idiot to say they suck. They're the number 1 team this year and overall since they're the first team to get 6 rings. I'm a Steelers fan, and they most definitely do NOT suck. lol

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I actually don't have team affiliations, just obnoxious friends who like the Steelers.

 

[MEXICAN]

I actually don't have team affiliations, just obnoxious friends who like the Steelers.

lol, well...my point still stands. You can say you hate the Steelers, but them being good is undeniable

 

[victra♥]

Kay. I started using DK kinda. haha.

I'm having troubles with edgeguarding though. I watched matches of like, pkm and phish-it and bum of course, and it seems like they all have missed opportunities to edgeguard.

Like, against Marth, I do the light-shield, or I space an f-smash or something. Strangely enough, I don't have that much trouble edgeguarding marth. Spacies are a little harder though.

If they illusion, I usually intercept with a nair and that usually works pretty well. But when the fire fox from below, I donno what to do. Properly spaced F-smashes and Dtilts? I always get knicked by the fire. =(

 

[JonaDiaper]

wouldnt down b work? i wonder if the hit box goes underneath the ground a bit

it looks like it would

 

[DrewB008]

grab the ledge to get invincibility then let go up b them, aka give them the slamma jamma

 

[KirbyKaze]

In general, some variation of Bair or UpB from the edge will beat most forms of spanimal recovery.

 

[victra♥]

Can someone tell me why exactly Green Greens and Jungle Japes is a good CP? I get camped to hell on JJ, and I die pretty quickly off the side on GG.

And is DK64 a good cp? PKM counterpicked it against FalseFalco at cast4.

 

[DrewB008]

green greens for early ko's off top and you can jump out throw them to death at 0 if you grab them near the side

japes cause you can cargo dthrow them right into the water

dk64 cause dk doesnt need ledges that much maybe, i dunno

all of these have huge cons as well, generally in the form of camping space animals

 

[victra♥]

Yeah, but camping spacies is a problem on pretty much every stage. =(

Okay. lol. I don't know if this has been found out but, when I grabbed a Marth at the ledge when he didn't sweet spot and when Marth wiggled out, he didn't have a jump and there was not enough time to up-B. We tested it out and if Marth didn't try to wiggle out, he still had enough time to up-b, but it doesn't reach the edge anyhow. Is this new or more importantly, practical? There are occasions where you can bait a Marth into recovering above the edge I suppose. I donno though. Ideas? :|

 

[DrewB008]

camping spacies is a problem everywhere, yeah, but the separation of these levels gives them a little natural fortress

and thats a pretty hot edgeguard if you can manage to get a marth to recover that poorly, maybe in teams. did you cargo or just hold them?

 

[victra♥]

You just hold. Cargo will cause them to grab the ledge I believe. I guess we should test this on other recoveries too =D

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Sounds like the Brawl Snake grab. Did he do the upwards grab break or the normal one?

 

[Strong Badam]

DK64 is a great DK stage because the barrel helps his terrible vertical recovery.
And he gets +10% defense and offense from home stage.

That edgeguard also works but only if you're on the very edge of the stage.

 

[BkMan]

"ignore post"

 

[Strong Badam]

you play melee or go to the Brawl boards.

 

[victra♥]

So. I'm thinking of using DK as a main, and keep my fox for doubles and for sheik/marth/yoshistory.

DK is so much fun omfg.