The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! Updated 8/14/14!

[~Twitch~]

Who's going to ROM here?

if the football team loses the game tomorrow night...

then maybe.

man kevin, why are you so happy on the boards?

 

[Dr Peepee]

Because I'd rather focus when we play......

 

[lord karn]

I think the pentagon thing is really interesting, but the thing that would be its biggest problem is how attributes change depending on matchup. A character doesn't have an objective statistic for 'defensive options' for instance. Certain options work against some characters but just plain don't vs. others. Similarly, any given character's recovery is better in certain matchups, so it doesn't really make sense to have the same stat vs. every character.

However, it is still much more descriptive than just saying '60/40'.

 

[Dr Peepee]

What Karn said. I'd rather use this thing to help with tiers instead tbh but matchups could maayyyybe be doable as well.



Also karn hit me up so we can PR for real.


sneak too

 

[Dark Hart]

So apparently I have a low self-esteem

God that makes me hate myself so much

 

[Moophobia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yJgPVxS5aI

 

[Juno McGrath]

 

[Lightsyde]

**** Jigglypuff.

 

[bossa nova ♪]

is it weird that spider a**es turn me on




also, shoutouts to pentagons. the naruto databooks inspired me to make one for dr peepee awhile ago, but i like the idea of it being used for characters.


i'm not sure about your categories though
"hitbox variability"... seems like a neutral thing. what if there was a character that had no variability in its hitboxes, but all of its hitboxes were **** as **** anyway?

i feel like it should be:

Shield
Attack
Grab
Movement
Recovery

 

[Dr Peepee]

I wanna see my pentagon!

Also it's wrong

 

[Divinokage]

Just assume it's a full pentagon. lol.

 

[Dr Peepee]

LOL okay good point

 

[bossa nova ♪]

well i never finished it


cuz half way through i was like



"....this is wrong"

 

[Moophobia]

Wow the boards real inactive right now

 

[Juno McGrath]

you guys dont want to see my pentagon for ganon

 

[RaphaelRobo]

We all know it's a full hexagon.

 

[Juno McGrath]

Recovery: 10
Hitboxes: 10
Grab Game: 10
Defensive options: 10
Movement: 10

 

[Dark Hart]

That's mine

For Falcon

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Falcon:

Spoiler

Recovery: 10
Hitboxes: 10
Grab Game: 10
Defensive options: 10
Movement: 10
Moonwalking: Priceless

 

[Moophobia]

So how's this update comin.

 

[lord karn]

it's done, but kevin is a butt

 

[Dr Peepee]

No Karn we're waiting on Sneak

Sneak is in fact the butt.

 

[Pitzer]

Roy's :3

Recovery: 5
Hitboxes: 6
Grab Game: 10
Defensive options: 3
Movement: 4

 

[AlcyoNite]

exactly what does grab game mean? ability to get a grab?

cuz both roy and falco have relatively reliable ways of getting grabs, but as for how they can tack on damage afterwhich...

 

[Pitzer]

Well, I was thinking of his overall range and ability to cg like 60% of the cast lol

 

[Dark Hart]

Roy can't chaingrab 60% of the cast lol what?

 

[vZakat]

Roy can chaingrab 60% of the cast? That's new to me. >_>

 

[Moophobia]

Doc can chain grab 60% of the cast.
Grab game: 11

 

[AlcyoNite]

ganon has cg percents on every character

grab game: 10 ?? =Roy ?? > Marth????????

 

[Juno McGrath]

grab game: 10 ?? =Roy ?? > Marth????????

 

[archer.]

Link and Young Link can chain grab all characters at any percent.

 

[Lightsyde]

Hitbox versatility is basically the same thing as attack but even more encompassing. It basically is currently defined as "A character's ability to put a hitbox of varying degrees at any given point on the screen within a given set of time."

The better the character is at covering desired hitbox regions, the better he is at combo'ing and following previous hits. It's kind of a way of rewarding projecting and good range without over rewarding them. I thought about using Range as a category but I felt like Hitbox Versatility + Movement kinda covers that. We could definitely change attributes entirely though.

Grab game was supposed to be basically emcompassing of the non-hitbox aspects of the character. If you think about it the basic RPS of situations can be broken down to Attack, Grab, Defensive option. Characters with high scores should measure varying degrees of utility with their grab options. Things like grab speed and grab length are also to be taken into consideration. For example, Fox's grab would likely be a 10 due to all of his throws having decent utility, with his Uthrow being godlike for setting up situations and getting kills, it's especially good because of his movement and hitbox versatility that allow him to follow with some many given mixups. Kirby's grab game however is dramatically worse. His Dthrow leads to tech chase situations and Uthrow is okay sometimes (not really) but his Bthrow and Fthrow are abysmal. He'd probably get a 2 or 3 in GG for this reason.

 

[SK919]

These charts are nice but I don't think spending a lot of thought on them will lead to any improvement. You could probably take the numbers to try and figure out what your opponent is most likely to do based on what his character strengths are but at a certain point player style will suffocate those numbers.

Now let's take these ideas and apply them to players.. then we'll really have something useful

 

[Lightsyde]

These charts are nice but I don't think spending a lot of thought on them will lead to any improvement. You could probably take the numbers to try and figure out what your opponent is most likely to do based on what his character strengths are but at a certain point player style will suffocate those numbers.

Now let's take these ideas and apply them to players.. then we'll really have something useful

If you read any part of the discussion you would already know that the graphs don't depict intrinsic things about the character per se; their purpose is to demonstrate dynamic aspects of characters, but even more so about the players who are using them.

They display current metagame (in the Standardized Chart) and then display individual biases by showing contrasts. The Standardized Chart would have the displayed attributes of a given characters in three forms (mean, median and mode). The SC's would be data acquired from a very select few players (top 10-20 if possible).

And of course player styles will always be much more dominant. These diagrams function as a learning tool and a depiction of current things about the metagame. They are also not limited to just characters. They could display aspects of stages. Or even aspects of individual attributes. Once you learned to read them they could fantastic for analyzing your game and noticing things that you might be missing (if your deviation is very high relative to the SC of a character). Basically you would by getting these standardized charts made every 6 months or every year be able to track the progression of the metagame (of a character and in general) but also to demonstrate player bias at every level (ie imagine M2K's Puff chart vs Hbox's Puff chart vs My Puff chart etc) .

 

[Dr Peepee]

Update coming in a few hours.

 

[Lightsyde]

Were Mike, ESAM, Adam etc included?

 

[Dark Hart]

Josh this idea is dumb again

 

[Dr Peepee]

Yeah they're included.

 

[Juno McGrath]

F kevin FF

kev

in

~ Durk Hurt

 

[Dr Peepee]

I do not understand but okay snap I hope you have fun in raleigh