The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! Updated 8/14/14!

[Juno McGrath]

I seriously as much as I hate to say it because I love him so

but for crews to be hype here kevin can not be in them.

Also what mike said .

 

[0Room]

Why is Kevin not allowed?
Because he would auto win or another reason?

 

[$mike]

pp can still be in the crews lol, the crews just have to be balanced if we want the battle to be fair. if that's the case, it might be a bit difficult to do a true "draft" crew battle, since we'll probably have to edit the crews afterwards to make sure the crew with PP isn't overpowered.

 

[Dark Hart]

that's the problem, mike, crew can't be balanced if Kevin's playing...

seriously

balancing that out would make the opposing crew 'stacked' and the other one "scrubs with Kevin"

 

[$mike]

no, that's not true. pp's crew lost at the last crew battle i remember doing at duke more than a year ago. and his crew wasn't just "scrubs" and him. my dude's sodium was overdosed

 

[Dark Hart]

Yea, and now he's the best in the world

 

[Divinokage]

I wish I could help somehow... =(

 

[AlcyoNite]

mike

all this **** talk

is turning me on

 

[Dr Peepee]

Oh you would know about something like that, wouldn't you? lol.



What am I doing now?

Wtf kage I never trash talk.

you stupid canadian hater butthole


ganonguy

no, that's not true. pp's crew lost at the last crew battle i remember doing at duke more than a year ago. and his crew wasn't just "scrubs" and him. my dude's sodium was overdosed

Lmao man I used to suck.





Nah idc if I'm on crews or not now. I like watching and playing hype Melee so either way it's cool with me.

 

[Moophobia]

I agree with Mike about crews. It could work we just need to actually have time to do them.

 

[Divinokage]

Wtf kage I never trash talk.

you stupid canadian hater butthole


ganonguy



Lmao man I used to suck.
.

SURE you don't.. mhm.. *nods*

 

[Sneak8288]

Dorsey come to something

 

[Dark Hart]

Dorsey and Dave need to commentate on matches

 

[-ACE-]

It would be epic. Both of us work too much and are always a good distance away...

 

[bossa nova ♪]

lol PP's mario taking 8 stocks

 

[Dorsey]

If I do make it to one here soon I will be on the lookout for the black belt ambush... ;>

never available Saturdays...

 

[Lightsyde]

I unfortunately agree Kevin can't be on crews. It would be our best players vs Kevin and scrubs and Kevin could go last and still probably run it back. Even if it became close that way, it's just more fun to have two evenly matched crews with all close hype matches than matches 4 matches of **** and then Kevin styling on people.

 

[bossa nova ♪]

josh, at your house, on the christmas party it was lozr's crew (which had some decent amount of players) vs a crew with Yay AND PP. and lozr's crew won... LOL. yeah, maybe it was a different kevin, but if he played mario with some non-PR'd players, it'd be a legitimate fight.

 

[Lightsyde]

Are you sure? That doesn't seem right because that would have meant that Ali's team had PP, Yay, Ali, Me, Theo etc, which is possible, but I guess I'm not sure.

Also, Matt said we are good to have the Christmas party in December. Gonna try to make a thread today if I can find time.

Preliminary question: December 3rd, 10th, or 17th?

 

[OmniOstrich]

Kevin drafts second and the non-kevin crew drafts 2 at a time

For example, the last NCSU

Kevin+Mike captains
Mike picks Cam+Josh
Kevin picks Alex(stingers)
Mike picks Chris+Austin(foxy)
Kevin picks David
Mike final pick Moo
Kevin takes Lucas+John(gofg)+Smith to even up the numbers

Kevin: Alex(stingers), David, Lucas, John(gofg), Smith
Mike: Cam, Josh, Chris, Austin, Moo
That seems like it would be fairly close?

 

[bossa nova ♪]

argument for anti-kevin: kevin could just 3-stock the first three and then 4 stock the rest. believe it or not, it's plausible.


argument for pro-kevin: if kevin plays mario, i think those teams could actually work (kevin's team would have to work hard to win). the issue of unbalance may still be present otherwise (i.e. him playing his main or another higher tier character), but only minor changes would be necessary.



idk how else to expand on the first argument, it seems like only something like a bias of values can make it acceptable.


EDIT:

arguments like "it would be more exciting this way..." are not legitimate. if you're good at hype, you can make anything exciting, so banning a player for that reason is just a cop-out, imo.

 

[Divinokage]

PP, don't you feel lonely? lol.

 

[Lightsyde]

Kevin drafts second and the non-kevin crew drafts 2 at a time

For example, the last NCSU

Kevin+Mike captains
Mike picks Cam+Josh
Kevin picks Alex(stingers)
Mike picks Chris+Austin(foxy)
Kevin picks David
Mike final pick Moo
Kevin takes Lucas+John(gofg)+Smith to even up the numbers

Kevin: Alex(stingers), David, Lucas, John(gofg), Smith
Mike: Cam, Josh, Chris, Austin, Moo
That seems like it would be fairly close?

argument for anti-kevin: kevin could just 3-stock the first three and then 4 stock the rest. believe it or not, it's plausible.


argument for pro-kevin: if kevin plays mario, that could actually work. the issue of unbalance may still be present otherwise, but only minor changes would be necessary.

While I think what Ben is saying here is a good idea for attempting to get even crews, Kevin is so dramatically better than the rest of us, especially in pressure/hype situations, what Cam said is completely plausible (3 3 stocks, 3 4 stocks). The bigger issue though, is even if Kevin only took out 2 or 3 people (this is assuming they put Kevin in first, which they probably wouldn't) it'd still be a lopsided crew battle with the non-Kevin team being without it's 2 or 3 best players, with Kevin's team still having all remaining players, who are far from scrubs.

I hope that made sense, it's kinda weird to explain in a hurry.

Kevin playing a mid-tier secondary may work but then again...all of Kevin's characters are gay. haha I guess it just depends on who exactly is on the other crew (for example, Adam is BEAST in crews and may change the balance).

 

[bossa nova ♪]

i edited my post.



i don't think the anti-kevin argument is substantial enough. it just seems petty.



i don't really want to participate in crews for a state that bans its best player for the aesthetic of the crews. that just sounds like some preschool horse****, excuse my french. maybe the rest of you have given up hope, but i plan on ****** that guy one day.

 

[Divinokage]

i edited my post.



i don't think the anti-kevin argument is substantial enough. it just seems petty.



i don't really want to participate in crews for a state that bans its best player for the aesthetic of the crews. that just sounds like some preschool horse****, excuse my french. maybe the rest of you have given up hope, but i plan on ****** that guy one day.

Lol that's more like it. =)

 

[Lightsyde]

It's not about banning him for an aesthetic or wanting to be able to **** him. The only point I'm trying to make is that in all past instances of Kevin being in our crew battles, especially with smaller crews (< 10 per team), it causes imbalance and detracts from the hype because it is a given that Kevin is going to **** us.

It's the same reason why our WF and GF sets are NEVER hype unless there is somebody from out of state that we want to watch Kevin ****. If it's Kevin vs anybody else from NC, nobody really watches.

EDIT: Let me make it clear that I want to be at Kevin's level (or better) as bad as just about anyone, but I'm talking about logistics for something within the next month or so.

 

[vZakat]

The 3rd and 10th are good for me for the christmas party. I have to work the 17th. I would prefer the 10th though.

 

[0Room]

My only issue is

Kevin isn't good because he plays Falco
Kevin's good because he's Kevin

He has lots of understanding of this game that a lot of us don't and I don't think it really matters who he plays
[goes back to memory of the first tournament I went to where Kevin beat Austin's Jiggs with Pichu]

So
Kevin is Kevin is Kevin
He has a lot more "Soshi Zen" than the rest of us [if you don't remember what that is, it's an internal understanding in a certain point of view] so I don't think it matters what he plays

Unless he plays peach

Spoiler

<3 Kevin

 

[bossa nova ♪]

It's not about banning him for an aesthetic or wanting to be able to **** him. The only point I'm trying to make is that in all past instances of Kevin being in our crew battles, especially with smaller crews (< 10 per team), it causes imbalance and detracts from the hype because it is a given that Kevin is going to **** us.

It's the same reason why our WF and GF sets are NEVER hype unless there is somebody from out of state that we want to watch Kevin ****. If it's Kevin vs anybody else from NC, nobody really watches.

EDIT: Let me make it clear that I want to be at Kevin's level (or better) as bad as just about anyone, but I'm talking about logistics for something within the next month or so.

hype = aesthetics. i'm not trying to state an opinion here, i'm just trying to tell you what i meant by that vocabulary. i consider hype secondary to the melee that occurs in the crews, and i DO NOT consider hype stringently dependent on anything besides the whim of the audience. if you are unable to hype the crew battle josh, it really won't be a problem.
because i'll be there

and imbalance is a solvable issue. even if kevin is kevin, his mario is significantly worse than his falco. i mean, Yay beat that ****ty *** mario.


it's not that i don't see your point, i just don't think it has enough weight. but then again, i hold the perspective that banning kevin is wrong to begin with (i assume that you do not), which might take just as much or even more influence from my own personal values than your point does from your own values.

 

[lord karn]

I remember one crew battle at a Duke where it was really close even though Kevin was on one team (I don't actually remember who won, but I know Mike did some ******).

However, we should just have Kevin play G&W and be the judge throughout the crew battle. He just sits back and watches the battle and if anyone does anything he disagrees with he smacks them with the bible.

 

[Dark Hart]

He was banned at the last one for aesthetics... And then we put him in to **** the rest of the winning crew, which he did...

 

[Lightsyde]

I do see your point.

I want a super hype crew battle and I don't have any intrinsic problem with Kevin entering. I would definitely hype with or without him in, I just know in my past experience it's been hard to keep the hype going in any situation where one person who expected to **** everyone is...****** everyone. A lot of hype I think is involved in the suspense of "What's going to happen next?" Hence why I think Kevin's set vs Armada at P5 may have been the hypest set to date.

I think I may feel that Kevin having to use a tertiary character just to play with us for a crew battle to be fair may be more dishonest/worse than not allowing him in at all.

I'd definitely like to get more opinions though so maybe if everyone could answer the question restated:

Should Kevin be allowed to be on a draft crew at the Christmas party?

A. Yes.
B. No.
C. Yes, if he plays Mario.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

I WOULD **** KEVIN IN A CREW BATTLE **** THE HATERS.

haters.

all you need to do is hit him in the face a few times. he ****ing plays falco.

 

[Dark Hart]

Falco pry gud

 

[stingers]

of course kevins not allowed at the christmas battle, unless hes drunk first

 

[AlcyoNite]

cant make either of those dates

sad panda

 

[bossa nova ♪]

yeah i probably wouldn't be able to make it until after school is out for the winter.

but it doesn't matter, i wouldn't enter the crew battle anyway if we banned a player for being too good. especially if he'd secretly prefer entering, which may be the case with that guy. he's very aware of the things that he secretly prefers and is all the more ready to sacrifice those preferences.



EDIT: shutup Dr Peepee i don't believe you

 

[Dorsey]

i edited my post.



i don't think the anti-kevin argument is substantial enough. it just seems petty.



i don't really want to participate in crews for a state that bans its best player for the aesthetic of the crews. that just sounds like some preschool horse****, excuse my french. maybe the rest of you have given up hope, but i plan on ****** that guy one day.

This is what I was thinking. I almost typed out something similar, but I'm not involved so...

Anyway, yeah, it's a little unfair for kevin I think, if he doesn't get his chance to brutalize everyone systematically with falco, whether he wants to go with that idea or not. It's a sticky situation, but really imo the best thing to do is just to weight the other side with just 2-3 obvious players. And if he eats through their 8-12 extra stocks, i would say that it would be more deserved than unbalanced.

edit: yep, read all of this.......Cam is saying exactly where I'm coming from. I don't believe him either, lol.

 

[bossa nova ♪]

i should have said "excuse my dorsey"


idk anyone else who uses scientific terms like 'horse****' on the boards

 

[Lightsyde]

cant make either of those dates

sad panda

What dates could you make? I'm up for trying to maximize attendance. Would a Friday night make any positive difference for anybody?