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Divinokage

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Dark Hart said:
Knowledge is one-dimensional?

Lol blocked officially

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Alright, let me enlighten you a little bit. It should be a fun read.

"I have enough teachers," I said too quickly.
"Oh, do you?" He paused "Whether you have a proper teacher or not depends upon what you want to learn." He rose lightly from his chair and walked to the door. "Come with me. I want to show you something."
We walked to the corner, from where we could see down the avenue to the lights of he business district and beyond them to the lights of San Francisco.
"The world out there," he said, waving his arm across the horizon, "is a school, Dan. Life is the only real teacher. It offers many experiences, and if experience alone brought wisdom and fulfillment, then elderly people would all be happy,
But the lessons of experience are hidden. I can help you learn from experience to see the world clearly, and clarity is something you desperately need right now. Your intuition knows this is tree, but your mind rebels; you've experienced much, but you've learned little."
"I don't know about that, Socrates. I mean, I wouldn't go that far. ''
"No, Dan, you don't know about it yet, but you will. And you will go that far and beyond; I can assure you."
We headed back for the office just as a shiny red Toyota pulled in. Socrates continued talking as he opened the gas tank. "'Like most people, you've been taught to gather information from outside yourself; from books, magazines, experts." He stuck the gas nozzle into the tank. "Like this car, you open up and let the facts pour in. Sometimes the information is premium and sometimes it's low octane. You buy your knowledge at the current market rates, much like you buy gasoline."
"Hey, thanks for reminding me. My tuition check for next quarter is due in two days!"
Socrates just nodded and continued to fill the customer's tank. When the tank was full, Socrates kept pumping gas, until fuel started overflowing the tank and pouring down onto the ground. A flood of gasoline ran across the pavement.
"Socrates! The tank is full--watch what you're doing?' Ignoring me, he let the flood continue--saying, "Dan, like this gas tank, you are overflowing with preconceptions; full of useless knowledge. You hold many facts and opinions, yet know little of yourself. Before you can learn, you'll have to first empty your tank." He grinned at me, winked, and turning the pump off with a click, added, "Clean up the mess, will you?"
I got the feeling he was referring to more than the spilled gas. I hurriedly watered down the pavement. Soc took the driver's money and gave him back some change and a smile. We walked back to the office and settled in.
"What are you going to do, fill me full of your facts?" I bristled.
"No, I'm not going to burden you with more facts; I'm going to show you 'body wisdom'. Everything you'll ever need to know is within you; the secrets of the universe are imprinted on the cells of your body. But you haven't learned inner vision; you don't know how to read the body. Your only recourse has been to read
books and listen to experts and hope they are right. When you learn body wisdom, you'll be a Teacher among teachers."
I made an effort not to smirk. This gas station attendant was accusing my professors of ignorance and implying that my college education was pointless! "Oh, sure Socrates, I understand what you mean by this 'body wisdom' idea, but I don't buy it."
He shook his head slowly. "You understand many things but have realized practically nothing."
"What is that supposed to mean?"
"Understanding is one dimensional. It is the comprehension of the intellect. It leads to knowledge, which you have. Realization, on the other hand, is three dimensional. It is the simultaneous comprehension of the 'whole-body'---the head, heart, and physical instincts. It comes only from clear experience."
"I'm still not with you."
"'Do you remember when you first learned to drive? Prior to that time, you'd been a passenger; you only understood what it was. But you realized what it was like when you did it for the first time."
"That's right" I said. "I remember feeling, "So that's what it's like!"
"Exactly! That phrase describes the experience .of realization perfectly. One day, you'll say the same thing about life."
I sat quietly for a moment, then piped up. "You still haven't explained 'body wisdom.' "
"Come with me," Socrates beckoned, leading me toward the door marked "Private." Once inside, we were in total darkness. I started to tense, but then the fear gave way to keen anticipation. I was about to learn my first real secret: body wisdom.
The lights flashed on. We were in a bathroom and Socrates was peeing loudly into the toilet bowl. "This," he said proudly, "is body wisdom." His laughter echoed off the tile walls as I walked out and sat down on the couch and glared at the rug.
 
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Divinokage said:
Alright, let me enlighten you a little bit. It should be a fun read.

"I have enough teachers," I said too quickly.
"Oh, do you?" He paused "Whether you have a proper teacher or not depends upon what you want to learn." He rose lightly from his chair and walked to the door. "Come with me. I want to show you something."
We walked to the corner, from where we could see down the avenue to the lights of he business district and beyond them to the lights of San Francisco.
"The world out there," he said, waving his arm across the horizon, "is a school, Dan. Life is the only real teacher. It offers many experiences, and if experience alone brought wisdom and fulfillment, then elderly people would all be happy,
But the lessons of experience are hidden. I can help you learn from experience to see the world clearly, and clarity is something you desperately need right now. Your intuition knows this is tree, but your mind rebels; you've experienced much, but you've learned little."
"I don't know about that, Socrates. I mean, I wouldn't go that far. ''
"No, Dan, you don't know about it yet, but you will. And you will go that far and beyond; I can assure you."
We headed back for the office just as a shiny red Toyota pulled in. Socrates continued talking as he opened the gas tank. "'Like most people, you've been taught to gather information from outside yourself; from books, magazines, experts." He stuck the gas nozzle into the tank. "Like this car, you open up and let the facts pour in. Sometimes the information is premium and sometimes it's low octane. You buy your knowledge at the current market rates, much like you buy gasoline."
"Hey, thanks for reminding me. My tuition check for next quarter is due in two days!"
Socrates just nodded and continued to fill the customer's tank. When the tank was full, Socrates kept pumping gas, until fuel started overflowing the tank and pouring down onto the ground. A flood of gasoline ran across the pavement.
"Socrates! The tank is full--watch what you're doing?' Ignoring me, he let the flood continue--saying, "Dan, like this gas tank, you are overflowing with preconceptions; full of useless knowledge. You hold many facts and opinions, yet know little of yourself. Before you can learn, you'll have to first empty your tank." He grinned at me, winked, and turning the pump off with a click, added, "Clean up the mess, will you?"
I got the feeling he was referring to more than the spilled gas. I hurriedly watered down the pavement. Soc took the driver's money and gave him back some change and a smile. We walked back to the office and settled in.
"What are you going to do, fill me full of your facts?" I bristled.
"No, I'm not going to burden you with more facts; I'm going to show you 'body wisdom'. Everything you'll ever need to know is within you; the secrets of the universe are imprinted on the cells of your body. But you haven't learned inner vision; you don't know how to read the body. Your only recourse has been to read
books and listen to experts and hope they are right. When you learn body wisdom, you'll be a Teacher among teachers."
I made an effort not to smirk. This gas station attendant was accusing my professors of ignorance and implying that my college education was pointless! "Oh, sure Socrates, I understand what you mean by this 'body wisdom' idea, but I don't buy it."
He shook his head slowly. "You understand many things but have realized practically nothing."
"What is that supposed to mean?"
"Understanding is one dimensional. It is the comprehension of the intellect. It leads to knowledge, which you have. Realization, on the other hand, is three dimensional. It is the simultaneous comprehension of the 'whole-body'---the head, heart, and physical instincts. It comes only from clear experience."
"I'm still not with you."
"'Do you remember when you first learned to drive? Prior to that time, you'd been a passenger; you only understood what it was. But you realized what it was like when you did it for the first time."
"That's right" I said. "I remember feeling, "So that's what it's like!"
"Exactly! That phrase describes the experience .of realization perfectly. One day, you'll say the same thing about life."
I sat quietly for a moment, then piped up. "You still haven't explained 'body wisdom.' "
"Come with me," Socrates beckoned, leading me toward the door marked "Private." Once inside, we were in total darkness. I started to tense, but then the fear gave way to keen anticipation. I was about to learn my first real secret: body wisdom.
The lights flashed on. We were in a bathroom and Socrates was peeing loudly into the toilet bowl. "This," he said proudly, "is body wisdom." His laughter echoed off the tile walls as I walked out and sat down on the couch and glared at the rug.
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quoted so lucas can read it.

sup kevin. ;)
 
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Divinokage said:
Alright, let me enlighten you a little bit. It should be a fun read.

"I have enough teachers," I said too quickly.
"Oh, do you?" He paused "Whether you have a proper teacher or not depends upon what you want to learn." He rose lightly from his chair and walked to the door. "Come with me. I want to show you something."
We walked to the corner, from where we could see down the avenue to the lights of he business district and beyond them to the lights of San Francisco.
"The world out there," he said, waving his arm across the horizon, "is a school, Dan. Life is the only real teacher. It offers many experiences, and if experience alone brought wisdom and fulfillment, then elderly people would all be happy,
But the lessons of experience are hidden. I can help you learn from experience to see the world clearly, and clarity is something you desperately need right now. Your intuition knows this is tree, but your mind rebels; you've experienced much, but you've learned little."
"I don't know about that, Socrates. I mean, I wouldn't go that far. ''
"No, Dan, you don't know about it yet, but you will. And you will go that far and beyond; I can assure you."
We headed back for the office just as a shiny red Toyota pulled in. Socrates continued talking as he opened the gas tank. "'Like most people, you've been taught to gather information from outside yourself; from books, magazines, experts." He stuck the gas nozzle into the tank. "Like this car, you open up and let the facts pour in. Sometimes the information is premium and sometimes it's low octane. You buy your knowledge at the current market rates, much like you buy gasoline."
"Hey, thanks for reminding me. My tuition check for next quarter is due in two days!"
Socrates just nodded and continued to fill the customer's tank. When the tank was full, Socrates kept pumping gas, until fuel started overflowing the tank and pouring down onto the ground. A flood of gasoline ran across the pavement.
"Socrates! The tank is full--watch what you're doing?' Ignoring me, he let the flood continue--saying, "Dan, like this gas tank, you are overflowing with preconceptions; full of useless knowledge. You hold many facts and opinions, yet know little of yourself. Before you can learn, you'll have to first empty your tank." He grinned at me, winked, and turning the pump off with a click, added, "Clean up the mess, will you?"
I got the feeling he was referring to more than the spilled gas. I hurriedly watered down the pavement. Soc took the driver's money and gave him back some change and a smile. We walked back to the office and settled in.
"What are you going to do, fill me full of your facts?" I bristled.
"No, I'm not going to burden you with more facts; I'm going to show you 'body wisdom'. Everything you'll ever need to know is within you; the secrets of the universe are imprinted on the cells of your body. But you haven't learned inner vision; you don't know how to read the body. Your only recourse has been to read
books and listen to experts and hope they are right. When you learn body wisdom, you'll be a Teacher among teachers."
I made an effort not to smirk. This gas station attendant was accusing my professors of ignorance and implying that my college education was pointless! "Oh, sure Socrates, I understand what you mean by this 'body wisdom' idea, but I don't buy it."
He shook his head slowly. "You understand many things but have realized practically nothing."
"What is that supposed to mean?"
"Understanding is one dimensional. It is the comprehension of the intellect. It leads to knowledge, which you have. Realization, on the other hand, is three dimensional. It is the simultaneous comprehension of the 'whole-body'---the head, heart, and physical instincts. It comes only from clear experience."
"I'm still not with you."
"'Do you remember when you first learned to drive? Prior to that time, you'd been a passenger; you only understood what it was. But you realized what it was like when you did it for the first time."
"That's right" I said. "I remember feeling, "So that's what it's like!"
"Exactly! That phrase describes the experience .of realization perfectly. One day, you'll say the same thing about life."
I sat quietly for a moment, then piped up. "You still haven't explained 'body wisdom.' "
"Come with me," Socrates beckoned, leading me toward the door marked "Private." Once inside, we were in total darkness. I started to tense, but then the fear gave way to keen anticipation. I was about to learn my first real secret: body wisdom.
The lights flashed on. We were in a bathroom and Socrates was peeing loudly into the toilet bowl. "This," he said proudly, "is body wisdom." His laughter echoed off the tile walls as I walked out and sat down on the couch and glared at the rug.
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Why did u make me read this wtf

this transcendental, universalist stuff is so unfounded and impractical....

wtf did i just read, though?

and there would be some homoerotic pedophilia in a book with a character named Socrates


edit: people need to be made aware of more pragmatic issues

like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDX8Lyl16Qs
 
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Crystalnite said:
this transcendental, universalist stuff is so unfounded and impractical....
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Theo, I love you but you are very wrong about this. It is extremely well founded if you learn to listen your own thoughts. I have been on quite a few seriously enlightening trips into my own head and I promise it is the truth, whether or not you choose to acknowledge it. Once you understand the implications it is the most practical thing I've ever learned. It only seems unfounded and impractical because you don't understand it.

Though I'm unsure why Kage posted it for Lucas right this minute.

Kage: Where is this from, btw?
 
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I posted it because I have difficulty explaining myself usually, that's all. And it's from the book Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman. A lot in there had a lot of ideals I had in my head before hand brought to light which i found was amazing and ridiculously helpful in general.
 
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Lightsyde said:
Theo, I love you but you are very wrong about this. It is extremely well founded if you learn to listen your own thoughts. I have been on quite a few seriously enlightening trips into my own head and I promise it is the truth, whether or not you choose to acknowledge it. Once you understand the implications it is the most practical thing I've ever learned. It only seems unfounded and impractical because you don't understand it.

Though I'm unsure why Kage posted it for Lucas right this minute.

Kage: Where is this from, btw?
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I could say the exact same about Christianity
 
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It's a lot more than just that. Although, many people, including the majority of those within the field of philosophy, approach it that way.
 
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I mean, ive read some core philosophers (not nearly the breadth that josh and karn are familiar with) and i have had lots of fun discussing their writings. they have helped me change and rework my perspective on the world

but as for practicality, i find it difficult to comprehend how a series of postulates stemming "logically" from contending, often faddish, theories of the world can hold sway over how one chooses to conduct his entire life and view the lives of others
 
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Crystalnite said:
I mean, ive read some core philosophers (not nearly the breadth that josh and karn are familiar with) and i have had lots of fun discussing their writings. they have helped me change and rework my perspective on the world

but as for practicality, i find it difficult to comprehend how a series of postulates stemming "logically" from contending, often faddish, theories of the world can hold sway over how one chooses to conduct his entire life and view the lives of others
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You'd be hella surprised at what people are capable of.
 
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Crystalnite said:
I could say the exact same about Christianity
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I was raised Catholic/Christian. I understand it thoroughly from an insider's perspective, from a stark atheists pespective, and from a universalist perspective. You however have no exposure to the type of inward looking I am talking about (unless your views on that type of thing have changed) and therefore cannot possibly understand how true those notions are.

I remember reading Thoreau and Whitman in college and thinking it was silly transcendentalist crap and that it had no application to your life.

I read Whitman now and I see how great his understanding was. There are so many notions of that variety that come up in SO many writings (Eastern and Western, prose, poetic or Philosophical).

Crystalnite said:
I mean, ive read some core philosophers (not nearly the breadth that josh and karn are familiar with) and i have had lots of fun discussing their writings. they have helped me change and rework my perspective on the world

but as for practicality, i find it difficult to comprehend how a series of postulates stemming "logically" from contending, often faddish, theories of the world can hold sway over how one chooses to conduct his entire life and view the lives of others
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I doubt you've actually read any Existential philosophy which delves into this type of thing much more deeply. Analytical philosophy talks more in depth about logical systems (and thus works better in a university setting) but rarely gets into this kind of looser, metaphysical intuitive universal notion. Analytical is much more cut and dry about metaphysical claims and personal beliefs because it generally starkly separates itself from anything that might be confused with Religious belief or Faith. It's important to note that these trancendental notions are not religious (no contradictions with science or logic) and they require no faith (aka they are fully realizable and testable, unlike an exterior Creator).

But regardless, there are some very real practical applications. Learning things about yourself by legitimately (not just theoretically) changing your perspective and analyzing thoroughly and improving on your shortcomings is fantastic. I've made a great deal of changes in the last year of my life as a result of these "not practical" things you talk about. Without getting more into my own personal life, I'll stop here, but I do really want to talk to you about this more.

Lucas: I wouldn't expect you to. I don't mean that offensively in the slightest so please don't take it wrong.
 
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us weaklings are in the business of protecting our self esteem

questioning practicality like that has a pretty safe answer as a result

yeah, you'd be surprised what lengths we'll go to

you'd be surprised of how beautiful or ugly the results can be
 
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Yeah im totally up for talking about this stuff more, though it would probably be better in person

edit: @cam

so, my question to you is Why?
 
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Lately while I've been reading things my brain starts to move too fast for my eyes to catch up and I have to force my self to slow down and go back while the rest of the world seems to be moving at a very slow pace and my breathing is also very slow.
What the **** is happening to me?
 
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Kind of a read

1) I agree with Josh about the "core philosophers" being much more about logical systems
Ethics, religious philosophy, understanding, and logic all under one umbrella

But they are not the same

2)
Dorsey said:
the whole area of philosophy is just a bunch of labels put on the obvious and common sense.... I have never placed any value on the subject.
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Absolutely not and this **** makes me angry
A lot of times people hold this view and honestly it's not true

In psychology this is called Hindsight Bias
In which a person who is told information overestimates their ability to figure out the answer on their own

Going around and thinking about things on your own will never ever ever compare to people telling you things
And it's hard to separate that from your current knowledge because it's an easy logical step from where you were to where you are

Let me give you an example

You're talking to a girl who is beautiful, smart, and cunning. She has blonde hair and brown eyes. She is talking to you about her costume. You ask what it is, and she begins the guessing game [A game I despise] in which she asks you to guess what it is without any hints because "you should know me well enough."

What you know of her is this:
She likes D&D, Star Wars, Star Trek, and Conan the Barbarian. Sci fi and fantasy are in her interests, and she wants to travel and be a language teacher in the future.

You are expected to guess her costume with no help and no prior knowledge of any other costumes before that.

Ask me if you can figure it out with the single hint of "It's kind of mainstream", and that the costume falls under NONE of the categories I have listed before.
The answer will be provided at the end of this post.


3) So anyway about the philosophy stuff Kage posted earlier I'm not really sure I agree with it
Like I do but I don't think it's clearly defined

I really enjoy the ideas of Buddhism and began reading about Zen Buddhism recently
And the concepts in Kage's post have been touched upon in this book [called "Points of Departure: Zen Buddhism with a Rinzai View" if anyone is interested, it's actually really good]

Basically the thing that stands out to me is this:

Internal Knowledge and External Knowledge
The idea of this has been around for many centuries, but the way they put it is this: There is a thing called Nyoari Zen - Intellectually Understandable matter. Explanation, and comprehension, is Nyoari Zen. Me explaining these concepts to you is Nyoari Zen.

On the other hand there is Soshi Zen. This is an internal knowledge that cannot be explained, shared, or given. It is an experience that cannot be determined nor expressed. The best way to put it is that there is a time when you experience it, and your entire viewpoint changes to the point where you cannot go back to a time before that.

Let me illustrate this with a story from the book.
Five hundred monks were assembled at Kinzan [a Zen temple] but few asked Kinzan for instruction. Obaku ordered Rinzai [the master after which the Zen sect is founded] to go to Kinzan. Then he asked, "What will you do when you get there?"
"When I get there, I'll know what to do." said Rinzai.
Rinzai arrived at Kinzan. Still wearing his traveling clothes, he went to the Dharma Hall to see the Master of Kinzan. Just as the Master raised his head, Rinzai shouted, and when the Master started to open his mouth, Rinzai swung his sleeves as he turned as left. Shortly after, a monk asked the Master of Kinzan, "What did you say just now that made that monk shout at you?"
He replied, "That monk came from Obaku's assembly. If you want to know, ask him."
Of the five hundred monks at Kinzan, most departed to taste Soshi Zen.


So, he displays an example of this Soshi Zen. He shouted, swung his sleeves and left the Dharma Hall. " That was what was required, we need both. The monks there assembled but never really concentrated on their Mu [the description for what cannot be described] They were using only Nyoari Zen without any Soshi Zen. So when Rinzai came he "knew what to do", which was introduce that Soshi Zen back into their lifestyle.
If you want to know, ask him" is a typical Nyorai Zen response
But Soshi Zen is unexplainable but intimately important for responding to enlightenment.

Some other minor things is the classifications of things
As opposed to the idea that they are all the same and one
and not the same and one
but the same and one

But anywho I'm going to stop now before I get out of hand

Basically:
**** you hindsight bias
Soshi Zen
And that guessing game sucks ****

She dressed up as Thor.
 
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so if there has been three tournaments, on a regular basis, with good attendance, can any of you philosophers tell me why this **** ain't updatin?

I WANT MY 7/8 SPOT NOW.

or lower. haven't really thought about a ranking this period.

GUHHH FINE ADD TGM don't matter to me i ain't gonna be there.

PHILOSOPHY ON THE FUTURE OF THIS STATE.
 
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