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The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! Updated 8/14/14!

Ocean

Ocean

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OCEAN#0
i want to get better at this game
but not enough to actually try
 
Ocean

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true, that is a john
but that does not make me give a single ****
 
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FlowinWater

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It was available, that was what M2K did all the time before he got out on the tournament scene. Maybe that is why he soo good.

HOLLA
:phone:
 
Dr Peepee

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@craig: I teach u

@Flowin: He was bored so he found it all himself LOL but I mean he had to play other people a ton to figure out how to use it.....

@KK: what a nurgle thing to say
 
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Sneak8288

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I think m2k used to do something with pauses to find out frame data, I forget. But yea he didnt have anyone to play with on the regular but he did always go to tournaments like Kotc back when I first started

:phone:
 
Ocean

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chris keeps this thread entertaining

i typed christ by accident at first
 
Lightsyde

Lightsyde

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*P*L*U*R* said:
yo



you kept attacking

so

i spotdodged

and then i dsmashed

then i chased your tech

and then i dsmashed

and then you complained about dsmash

so i dsmashed

and i giggled.

then dsmashed
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Fffffffff I was half asleep on your couch. You're gay. haha

Lucas: I only mention Uthrow Uair because you do it in every situation, no matter, without ever exploring other options. With Fox's grabs, you just do the same bread and butter brain dead stuff in friendlies rather than work on new things.
 
*P*L*U*R*

*P*L*U*R*

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Darksyde said:
Fffffffff I was half asleep on your couch. You're gay. haha
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heyheyhey

i was sleepy too. :[

you just kept attacking because i was ahead of your marth. and i just kept dsmashing because it was funny and shouldn't work on marth at all. not like i really cared. its all in good fun

and you uthrow -> uair my icies alot too.

creativity arguments are silly. you both kinda play textbook bnb styles, believe it or not. that's not a knock against you.
 
DJRome

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today, i came to a realization

smash is very similar to poker. when there is a determination of skill, how does it differ from luck?

when a hit is achieved, what is the cause, skill or luck? actually, luck is not a factor in smash.

much like poker, smash scenarios present inherent positions of weakness and strength. interpreting the relative positions is a skill within the game. knowing when to attack or retreat is something that comes with experience. but say somehow you're in an edgeguarding position. regardless of how you came to it, you are favored. in this case, your only worry is to take advantage. similarly in poker, if you come across aces, the concern should not lie with whether the aces came from luck or skill (can you make an argument for any case?) but should be to maximize the advantage you possess

smash contains absolutes, this is true. an attack has certain knockback, frames, etc etc.

but can you really account for the variables at hand? much like the physics of pool balls on the felt, simplicity cannot explain the actual progression of such movements. in smash, irregularities such as di (the frame of reaction) and spacing (think about how sensitive spacing is) make for very hard to predict scenarios (and also contributes to the "error")

if i space a move on shield, predicting my distance for spacing should come as a read on his reaction afterwards, how much he shield di's, etc etc that even something like spacing which could be interpreted as linear and one dimensional actually takes on levels of statistics in guessing, reads, and mixups.

as such, we can again arrive at the comparison of poker. when the positions are hidden through the mask of the mind, it comes down not only to a read of prediction but also a statistical analysis of probability. because of this interpretation of what is commonly termed "luck," i figure that luck does not exist in melee in any way shape or form
 
Dr Peepee

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DJRome said:
today, i came to a realization

smash is very similar to poker. when there is a determination of skill, how does it differ from luck?

when a hit is achieved, what is the cause, skill or luck? actually, luck is not a factor in smash.

much like poker, smash scenarios present inherent positions of weakness and strength. interpreting the relative positions is a skill within the game. knowing when to attack or retreat is something that comes with experience. but say somehow you're in an edgeguarding position. regardless of how you came to it, you are favored. in this case, your only worry is to take advantage. similarly in poker, if you come across aces, the concern should not lie with whether the aces came from luck or skill (can you make an argument for any case?) but should be to maximize the advantage you possess

smash contains absolutes, this is true. an attack has certain knockback, frames, etc etc.

but can you really account for the variables at hand? much like the physics of pool balls on the felt, simplicity cannot explain the actual progression of such movements. in smash, irregularities such as di (the frame of reaction) and spacing (think about how sensitive spacing is) make for very hard to predict scenarios (and also contributes to the "error")

if i space a move on shield, predicting my distance for spacing should come as a read on his reaction afterwards, how much he shield di's, etc etc that even something like spacing which could be interpreted as linear and one dimensional actually takes on levels of statistics in guessing, reads, and mixups.

as such, we can again arrive at the comparison of poker. when the positions are hidden through the mask of the mind, it comes down not only to a read of prediction but also a statistical analysis of probability. because of this interpretation of what is commonly termed "luck," i figure that luck does not exist in melee in any way shape or form
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A sudden change in FoD platforms causes you to whiff or move end early when you couldn't see it change due to camera angle.

Fly Guys intercept your recovery at the last possible second and you get edgeguarded because the opponent had more time to react to it.

What if stuff like this happens? Unlucky, or were you just unskilled in getting into these situations in the first place?
 
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