The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! (Updated 2/11/10!)

[-ACE-]

City? LOL. Try Village.

The outer banks, pm me if you want specifics.

 

[null55]

wow, what a bull**** list.

how the **** is the blanket over Mike's *** better than mine? you dumb as hell PP.

 

[Pyrostormer]

Yo. Why am I below DJ?

 

[onlymaskde]

Yo. Jim, I miss yo ***.

Uh, is there a specific reason why you're asking about DJ > you? Did you beat him or something?

 

[DJRome]

I took the liberty to look up Billfest results:
5: Jim
7: Peter
7: TC
9: Cam
9: Moophobia
9: DJRome

 

[onlymaskde]

Results don't help with my question, but I guess you're implying that he actually beat you in tourney...?

wow, what a bull**** list.

how the **** is the blanket over Mike's *** better than mine? you dumb as hell PP.

lol, friday..... MY BLANKET VS YO BLANKET

 

[DJRome]

i forget. bill never posted the bracket so i forgot who i played

 

[Bl@ckChris]

can't wait for friday. so pumped.

 

[DJRome]

i'm so screwed for school. too much work, **** it i'm pulling an all nighter

 

[Dorsey]

Drunk theory: The panel is a good panel. They go by tournament placings and a little bit of discretion in some cases to my knowledge. However, the panel is kind of biased now that I'm really drunk and thinking about it.. Completely unintentionally I'm sure but I think ya'll factor in barely too much as to whether or not players do well against YOU guys, instead of looking at it from a larger scale.(you already do.. i'm really stressing slightly) It wouldn't be a big deal if this was even true though, it's just a flaw in a fraction of a fraction of the process.

Drunk Suggestion: Since the panel knows what's up, talk with several other NC smashers that know smash as well about who they think should be PR'd. Some could point stuff out that you had forgotten or wasn't aware about in regards to tournament matches.

Drunken Ramble: it took me a long time to type this... i'm drunk off several substances.... so no one take this to heart. I might have messed up a few times in typing it....but maybe there will be less debate over the PR if you seek a lil outside input is all i'm saying.

 

[stingers]

lmao @ dorsey's sig

about your post though...hmm...i agree with the prs personally except jim should be above djrome and karn should be above foxy...but I'm not sure if panel bias comes into that really

 

[DJRome]

it ultimately comes down to what the prs mean really. is it:
1. to determine who performs the best at tourneys?
2. to determine who is the best in the state?

if 1. then i feel that attendance is being valued more, which is what i see in this case (which validates me>jim, but conflicts with foxy>karn)

if 2. then obviously the list would include many people who are not on it, so i doubt this is the purpose of prs

or maybe there is a third option and i just ain't be knowin' :D

 

[Dorsey]

well i'm not saying that they use bias in the rankings. Scrolling up I did say that earlier and I didn't mean it like that.. which is why I emphasized how slight it was. I'm saying that when the occasional miniscule mistake that comes up, like that, and perhaps foxy/karn, it might have something to do with it. Figured some extra input over AIM or something could serve as a nice proofread before they decide/post it. I mean for sure you could say that it wouldn't hurt to do so... idk

 

[Lightsyde]

I took the liberty to look up Billfest results:
5: Jim
7: Peter
7: TC
9: Cam
9: Moophobia
9: DJRome

TC knocked me out of Billfest therefore I should have been 9th as well. I remember specifically that me and Cam had the same record.

Just sayin.

Also, it makes no sense that Jim is below DJ, no offense to DJ.

 

[DJRome]

well, like i said, depending how it's judged, his attendance is 1/3 and i beat foxy who is ranked higher. it's like the same thing once again lol attendance vs sets vs head to head zomg

 

[Bl@ckChris]

all things considered, i approve.

except for the fact that i'm not on there.

but guess what i'm gonna do? i'm gonna take the nice little disclaimer/tag at the end of the rankings that say "if you don't like it, go out to tournaments and fix it" to heart. and i'm gonna go out to tournaments, continue to get my *** whipped, and maybe by the time the year strikes 2011, i might eke into that number 10 spot.

Just seems like a good course of action to me.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Oh, well Dorsey, the thing is, we actually don't go by tournament placings(NOT MY IDEA) so Jim would not go over DJRome despite outplacing him at Bill's. Since DJ beat Foxy in a set, who is over Jim, then DJ's victory takes precedence as DJ and Jim never played.

I think that's the right way to answer this question. Karn can elaborate if that is not sufficient.

@DJ: I dunno if we had already talked about this when you posted that, but I hope not. Newer tournaments vs older tournaments DOESN'T MATTER since we update them so frequently.

 

[lord karn]

I don't really know about the DJ/Jim situation. I'd have to see who each beat and lost to to determine who should be higher.

 

[Dark Hart]

looooooooooooool

did i start all of this?

should i enter melee singles at munkaid?

Yes and Yes

Yo. Why am I below DJ?

Because you live far away? Just beat him in a mm at Munkaid.

 

[Foxy]

To everyone discussing the PR: We only go by individual set records against other ranked players. Placing is never taken into account, because it can be the result of any kind of bracket.

DJ/Jim issue is probably my fault for losing to DJ on Saturday and giving him an important win for the R's, but it's too late now. It goes by specific set wins, and DJ has more important ones.

BTW, nice to see everyone still thinks Karn should be above me, all is still well

 

[DJRome]

oh yeah mm lol i forgot about those. i wanna mm

 

[Foxy]

Now, let's look at the data. Here's mine:

PP: 0-??
Lozr: 0-2 (although I did take a match off of him, but this doesn't matter)
Mask: 0-2 (again, I took several matches but this doesn't matter)
Foxy: 1-2 (Even though both set losses were back to back, I'll count it this way)
Crystalnite: 1-1 (my win is also the most recent)
DJRome: 3-0
Jim: 0-0 (although I have beaten people that he has lost to)
Peter: 1-0
TC: 0-0 (again I have beaten people he has lost to)

Ok, here's Foxy's data:

PP: 0-1
Lozr: 0-1 (???)
Mask: 0-0
Karn: 2-1
Crystalnite: 0-0
DJRome: 1-1
Jim: 0-0
Peter: 0-0
TC: 0-0

Looks like DJRome and I are the ONLY power ranked players he has faced this ranking period. He also traded sets with DJ, who is lowly ranked, and has lost a set to me. We have no idea how he would do against Mask, Lozr, Peter, Crystalnite, Peter and TC.

DJ has it right here. I'm being penalized for attendance, just because you want to not penalize Foxy for not attending. Unless you want to penalize attendance, you can't give people the benefit of the doubt when they don't attend. This is because we don't have perfect data.

Personally, I think that if Foxy played how he did vs. me at Duke, he probably would place higher than me pretty consistently. However, he hasn't proven this. Also, Foxy tends to be really inconsistent (which is one of my biggest strengths) so I really don't know if he would beat as many people as I do at more tournaments. I can really see either one of us being higher ranked if he continues to go tournies often. However, this is all my opinion and doesn't matter.

We have certain facts, and they have a lot of holes where Foxy is concerned. By giving him the benefit of the doubt (assuming he will beat all the other people I beat), we are penalizing me for attending everything and also rewarding him for not going to tournaments.

Here's my actual data:

PP 0-1
Karn 2-1
DJ 2-1

I didn't play Lozr, and I beat DJ at the last Duke tourney too.

I understand all the arguments about attendance, and I agree with all of it, except that my low attendance (which wasn't even too low, 2 tournaments in the ranking period) was beyond my control. I went to every tournament I was capable of attending as soon as I was allowed to, and I did well enough at both to warrant this PR placing.

Unfortunately, although it makes sense, placing Karn>Foxy DOES go directly against the specific results that we build the PR from. Had I only made 1 tournament in the ranking period, or had I missed other tournaments out of my own ignorance/laxness, I would be all for a lower spot, but I think I've done everything I can and I've made it count.

Also, oddly enough, even though I AM very inconsistent as a player, I have never once placed below my expected/goal position in tournament results ONCE since I began to place about 8 months ago. I would call that very consistent; Karn and I are both extremely consistent placers, even though my style may not stay the same.

Edit: I also just noticed that despite your higher attendance, I still have as many positive set-counts against PR'd players as you in this ranking period, and against better players. From this perspective, attendance isn't really necessary to consider. I think that should be enough to settle the debate. (you went positive with 7/DJ and 9/Peter, I went positive with 5/Karn and 7/DJ)

 

[Pyrostormer]

All right. Thanks for clearing that up guys... DJ, Fawxy, Karn, I'm coming for you!

 

[Dorsey]

djrome beat foxy one time, and foxy out places / beats jim, therefore djrome out places jim. - inui

The above statement is a joke.. fyi. but Ya'll really just need to reform the way you do these rankings. If you're content with insufficient evidence/reasoning then ok, I'm just putting that out in the air. I won't elaborate more being that I got shafted the last time I did.

And to foxy: If you lost to dj's sheik then you were smoking crack when you challenged me to a 20$ MM. See you at november billfest.

ps. Jim is the man

 

[lord karn]

Here's my actual data:

PP 0-1
Karn 2-1
DJ 2-1

I didn't play Lozr, and I beat DJ at the last Duke tourney too.

I understand all the arguments about attendance, and I agree with all of it, except that my low attendance (which wasn't even too low, 2 tournaments in the ranking period) was beyond my control. I went to every tournament I was capable of attending as soon as I was allowed to, and I did well enough at both to warrant this PR placing.

Unfortunately, although it makes sense, placing Karn>Foxy DOES go directly against the specific results that we build the PR from. Had I only made 1 tournament in the ranking period, or had I missed other tournaments out of my own ignorance/laxness, I would be all for a lower spot, but I think I've done everything I can and I've made it count.

Also, oddly enough, even though I AM very inconsistent as a player, I have never once placed below my expected/goal position in tournament results ONCE since I began to place about 8 months ago. I would call that very consistent; Karn and I are both extremely consistent placers, even though my style may not stay the same.

Edit: I also just noticed that despite your higher attendance, I still have as many positive set-counts against PR'd players as you in this ranking period, and against better players. From this perspective, attendance isn't really necessary to consider. I think that should be enough to settle the debate. (you went positive with 7/DJ and 9/Peter, I went positive with 5/Karn and 7/DJ)

But we don't even have data for you vs anyone lower. Positive data is not all that matters. You lost a set to me and DJ, and show no proof of being able to beat Peter, Jim, Crystalnite, etc.

Eh, whatever, I have to go to class now. I don't have time to argue this for now.

 

[Vilt]

Lawl. This is too funny. Arguments everywhere.

My two cents: This list is not right.

 

[Dark Hart]

My two cents: This list is not right.

Agreed. So long as Me, You, Ace, Dorsey, and Cam aren't on here, they will never be right.

 

[-ACE-]

LOL. Vilt's samus is #1

 

[Boss Hog (stack it up)]

It doesn't really matter though. Even if you appeal the rankings nothing is going to happen... thats just the way **** works out because people will always base their rankings off personal experience when things aren't so clear cut.

 

[null55]

...yeah. no johns. if it ain't math, it ain't real.

however, i disagree with myself. i think there should be some common sense in this ****, some personal experience and what-not. i mean, i think Jim is better than DJ at this game. idk who else would agree with me, but that's just my opinion. and i share it due to the bs Karn just pointed out. somewhere, to make up for lack of science, faith needs to come into the matter.

if this was based on invisible facts though, i'd be third. i ****.

dude, Jim i want to play you more.

 

[DJRome]

i did propose a mathematical model in vain

 

[null55]

well, i certainly wouldn't blame you. at least not any more than i blame the panel.

friday will prove a lot of **** i think.

 

[-ACE-]

My opinion: anyone who says no johns is out to lunch. We should have accurate rankings. If someone sees something wrong then they should speak up. I've only played DJ once and I was completely plastered. I haven't played Jim in a while, or Foxy, and Karn only a little bit. I don't really have much to say on the matter as of now.

 

[Foxy]

Karn, I don't mean to argue, I really do agree with you but I don't think there's any way to really put you above me without opposing the data. Otherwise, it makes sense. Same with Jim and DJ, although DJ is actually a really smart and excellent player, so I disagree with some of the comments people are making.

It's just one spot on the PR, and worst comes to worst we can switch us around after the next Melee tournament we're at, if I don't do too well.

If it keeps becoming an argument I'll definitely forfeit the spot. It's not worth stressing over. =P

 

[-ACE-]

Foxy you shouldn't even consider forfeiting the spot. We're all friends and all **** talking is a joke but still, we should strive for this to be competitive with accurate rankings imo. There really shouldn't be any stress anyway, even when ppl get in bit arguments on the boards everything is usually fine in person.

 

[ZIO]

You know what I think? Only a fifth of the list is legit. The rest y'all need to go out of state.

Kansas, he we come.

 

[null55]

see, this is where the PANEL comes in. do you really need more than one person to make a list just based off numbers? i feel like the group of people that makes the list should encompass as much knowledge about the scene (i.e. its players) as possible, and thus LOGICAL decisions can be made that conflict with Inui controversial placements based off raw data.

but yeah, that is where bias and all that jazz come in. not saying it's impossible though, i feel like it's something feasible in NC at least. maybe not. lol idk.

not that i'm actually complaining about the current list. i don't really give a **** about any of these people...

 

[-ACE-]

Top 3 are definitely correct ZIO. Ali and I have missed too many tournaments as of recently to be ranked.

I'm ready for Money Mike's Falcon any day though son! ya hearrrd?

 

[null55]

it's really not that great. just shine combo him to death.

 

[THO]

I agree with CJ love. Faith is the answer.
Please, in making the rankings remember these things my children:

Job 40:12
Look at every proud man and humble him, crush the wicked where they stand.

Luke 16:15
He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight."

2 Corinthians 11:30
If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.

Take these words, the words of god into your hearts and spread them across the PR.
It is the only way to attain salvation