The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! (Updated 2/11/10!)

[-ACE-]

Luke 16:15
He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but The Almighty Lord Ganondorf knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in The Almighty Lord Ganondorf's sight."

Fixed .

 

[THO]

I forgot about that, since the last update of the bible (the U.S. edition) they did change every mention of god to Ganondorf, or Gdorf, or gansta dorf, or giga dorf, or ganon the bad *** mother ****er, or i'm a ****in god ****ers.
Yeah i totally forgot about those changes, i'm just quoting outdated ****
Sorry guys.

 

[-ACE-]

LOL David I might be in Chapel Hill thursday I hope you will be around buddy

 

[Dr Peepee]

Not like it'll stop this nonsense, but part of the point of having a panel is to keep the masses' opinions on their own invented ways to do things or tweaks in the rules, as well as special exceptions given out of the equation. The panel follows as objective of a process that is determined to be possible (by a majority I suppose...), and there can be questions or anger about who is higher than, but at the end of the day, you guys need to understand that the list we come up with is not necessarily the one the panel wants at all either. Numerous times in our discussions we come up with a placing and say "hey this doesn't seem right since this person seems better than this one" "yeah, but what can you do? the data is what it is." That's how it goes.

Also, I just lost my train of thought. Wait, I remember now. Coming to the panel with new ideas or complaints doesn't do a whole lot since our process alone is enough to do these rankings. You're welcome to suggest such things, though.

also also, I don't agree with using set counts either dorsey, but it is what has been established by the group as most objective so it will be what is used.


I'm leaving for class soon. If you guys hate what i just said, fine. I'm going to read it regardless. This is how things are though.

 

[null55]

yeah, i got that. i was just saying that you alone could come up a list based on data that would be the exact same as this. there's no point to a panel if what you're doing is entirely objective. for a point to the panel, i feel like subjectiveness should come into play.

not that i agree with myself. yay boring *** results.

 

[-ACE-]

lol pp I have agreed with almost everything you've said here. More so I was directing that at other panelist's comments. So no worries.

cj- As far as rankings being absolute(mathematical)... it's not only feasible, but completely possible. Point values for players, point values for tournaments dependent on the sum of player's point values, and exponentially descending values for tourney placings 1-10. Mix that with more frequent updates (attendance johns) and it's plausible.

Anyway, i'm not suggesting that nor is it necessary. Just pointed it out since you mentioned it :>

-Dorsey

 

[THO]

Yo ace i would like to play you but not sure where i'll be this weekend and next weekend i'll be up north for some good old bull ****.

But yeah, PP, I know using gods word to decide rankings isn't completely object (you have to take you know who's word for it) but I honestly don't see a better way.

A being who is omnipotent and all should know whether foxy or karn should be 4th in the state. The question we have to ask is should we trust him. I mean, sure he knows everything but does that necessarily mean he won't just **** with us and give us some BS PR.

For instance how would god rank these important religious figures:
* Abraham
* Moses
* Lao-tzu
* Buddha
* Confucius
* Jesus Christ
* Apostle Paul
* Saint Augustine
* Muhammad
* Thomas Aquinas
* Martin Luther
* John Calvin
* Joseph Smith
* Gandhi

I think, once our panel comes up with a good way to really figure out who was the best in the state (its obviously between Joseph Smith and Thomas Aquinas, but thats not really up to me, i'm not on the panel) then we can move on to Karn/Foxy. Also, I believe, if we give god's PR a look see he might be nice enough to give ours a double over.

You know what i'm sayin

 

[Dorsey]

**** god.

 

[-ACE-]

David I said thursday not the weekend

 

[lord karn]

Karn, I don't mean to argue, I really do agree with you but I don't think there's any way to really put you above me without opposing the data. Otherwise, it makes sense. Same with Jim and DJ, although DJ is actually a really smart and excellent player, so I disagree with some of the comments people are making.

It's just one spot on the PR, and worst comes to worst we can switch us around after the next Melee tournament we're at, if I don't do too well.

If it keeps becoming an argument I'll definitely forfeit the spot. It's not worth stressing over. =P

The only reason I'm arguing about this is because I don't think the data can support you being above me and I figured I should dispute things I disagree with since I am on the panel.

Honestly, I think you're probably a better player than me currently. Based off of your playing at Duke you're definitely better than me. I mean, if you screw up next time maybe I'm still better, but who knows.

I mean one spot on the PRs doesn't matter to me at all, because the only reason I care about my spot in the least is because it affects my seeding and thus affects my chance at winning money in tourney. Because we can never know how many power ranked players will show and because of the nature of different character/player matchups, being one seed lower could help or hurt me depending on who shows up.

It just seems to me that there is very little conclusive data for you. Now, the reason you don't have conclusive data isn't entirely your fault. Your parents wouldn't let you go to tournaments and it just so happens that the two that you went to didn't have enough power ranked players at them to yield good data. That sucks, but it still seems to come down to who we give the benefit of the doubt; you or me. It just seems ridiculous to me to give people with little data the benefit of the doubt compared to someone who has potentially more data than anyone on the PRs. PRs are always going to be inaccurate as to people's actual skills, because there is no way to scientifically judge skill. That's why it seems to me that power rankings shouldn't aim to determine raw skill, but rather player ability to place well in tournaments.

It is possible to rank players this way and be almost completely accurate based off of whatever initial values we assign to different criteria. It would essentially just be a somewhat complicated point system, and we would just have to assign different point values to beating people and losing to people and find some way to weight for attendance or something. I'm all for DJ or someone making a system like this. We'd probably need a panel or someone to look over it to make sure things don't get screwed up, but it should work. David was going to make one a while ago but he didn't because he doesn't really care about PRs.

Either way, I'm not mad at all about this if anyone thought that. . . I was just analyzing a situation that I thought to be incorrect and explaining why.

Also, Foxy you should come to Munkaid and team with me. @_@

 

[THO]

when you say thursday you mean thursday right. Hmmm. I may be in raleigh!!! I don't know. ****. But you will be here in CH. Hmmmmmmmm. I should really read your post but I can't scroll up!@@@@

wil you be at bill ha ha's

 

[null55]

Karn called Foxy better. **** his money (which of course is heavily affected by one ****ing placing). case closed.

 

[Dr Peepee]

David I am both confused and fascinated by your posts.

 

[lord karn]

Karn called Foxy better. **** his money (which of course is heavily affected by one ****ing placing). case closed.

I actually said that Foxy was probably better than me in my first big post about this topic as well. @_@

I also said that one placing doesn't really affect my seeding/chance at money at all. @_@

Power rankings aren't about player skill. They are about player ability to place well in tournaments. The two are usually correlative, but they are not necessarily linked. That's why the only data that should be looked at primarily is tournament sets. . . @_@

 

[Mullins]

I agree with CJ love. Faith is the answer.
Please, in making the rankings remember these things my children:

Job 40:12
Look at every proud man and humble him, crush the wicked where they stand.

Luke 16:15
He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight."

2 Corinthians 11:30
If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.

Take these words, the words of god into your hearts and spread them across the PR.
It is the only way to attain salvation

David is a posting genius!

 

[DJRome]

idk about ur sig pic mullins. . .

i'll likely work on this system later this week.

 

[null55]

I actually said that Foxy was probably better than me in my first big post about this topic as well. @_@

I also said that one placing doesn't really affect my seeding/chance at money at all. @_@

Power rankings aren't about player skill. They are about player ability to place well in tournaments. The two are usually correlative, but they are not necessarily linked. That's why the only data that should be looked at primarily is tournament sets. . . @_@

ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh. if PP was smart he would have just told me that.

and i was re-iterating your point about money. @_@

 

[onlymaskde]

lol at people *****ing. imo, there are only two possible mistakes on the current list -- foxy/karn and dj/jim. jesus *********ing christ.

also, dave and cam, see my aaaeeeeehhh.

 

[lord karn]

ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh. if PP was smart he would have just told me that.

and i was re-iterating your point about money. @_@

Ah, I guess I misread your post.

This doesn't really seem like *****ing to me. It's just a discussion on the accuracy of the power rankings.

 

[onlymaskde]

karn, i wasn't referring to you there. you're not *****ing, broski.

edit: lol cam, ok. let me say that differently...

karn, what you and a couple of other people are doing isn't *****ing at all. but all the people that jump in just to say "this **** is completely ****ed" with little, biased evidence are *****ing. stop that ****.

 

[null55]

Ah, I guess I misread your post.

This doesn't really seem like *****ing to me. It's just a discussion on the accuracy of the power rankings.

no, you didn't, i just didn't want to admit that my post was entirely useless.

 

[null55]

learn2read Mike.

 

[Dorsey]

'the only mistakes that I see involve 4 players which is almost half the list, everyone stop *****ing'

- 15 year old panelist

Sorry, but being that no one was *****ing at all and just pointing out the 2 aforementioned mistakes...all the rest was just discussing generalities of a more full-proof system. (I'm guessing i'm the one who was '*****ing')

 

[Dr Peepee]

All of the panelists are probably a little stressed. Don't take it too seriously.

I am curious though, what does Mike's age have to do with his opinion?

 

[stingers]

says the 18 year old panelist

don't disrespect dorsey, he's old enough to be your older brother

 

[DJRome]

says the 18 year old panelist

don't disrespect dorsey, he's old enough to be your older brother

lol, older=older brother could be just 1 day and still 18 mike is 15?

 

[stingers]

that's the joke dj

 

[DJRome]

i was just looking at billfest results from this time last year

lolz

 

[Dr Peepee]

Hey didn't I lose at that?

I don't think LoZR went, so I think that was the last time Ali beat me and I got 2nd. Is that right?

 

[onlymaskde]

lollllllllllllllllll... this entire dilemma is entirely stupid as ****, dorsey. people are taking the small "mistakes" beyond their reality. i'm not gonna participate in an argument with you dude, it's a loss cause.

i'm 17, a completely reasonable age to play this game as opposed to i dunno, 25 or something? keep on trolling the boards drunk with your useless bull and not coming to tournaments bro.

 

[stingers]

i remember getting 3rd in brawl at the november billfest...

how was melee

 

[Dr Peepee]

November Billfest Ali beat LoZR in winners bracket. I played LoZR in two sets in GFs and almost won on game 4 of the second set(I got ***** first set) but I got shined and airdodged when we were both at 90ish%. I was so drained from almost achieving my goal I just crumpled 5th match lol. It was bad.

Oh yeah, Ali beat LoZR in Falcon dittos. LoZR goofed off too much I think, but i don't really remember.


Edit: please edit mike because.....just do it.

 

[stingers]

how things have changed

 

[Dorsey]

You took the age comment entirely wrong. I suggested that only someone young would feel the need to say something like that, totally misinterpreting the situation and thinking he's being the voice of reason. Telling everyone to stop *****ing is also something a panelist shouldn't do. I don't go to work because I'm a full-time student, have a full-time job, and a girlfriend.

The only thing you're right about is about how arguing with me is a lost cause.

 

[BEHR]

you be ready boyss.


Ima be on this **** with mike we are going to be sharing a spot like real bros.

Mike is going to get me prep like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.niggys.

That Dream Bear is coming out niggys. its on that pursuit of happiness.


Alright boys lets get it done.

 

[-ACE-]

i'm 17, a completely reasonable age to play this game as opposed to i dunno, 25 or something?

Hopefully the 25 part had nothing to do with me.

 

[stingers]

ace you're too old to be playing a childrens video game

this **** reminds me of yugioh abridged

i havent seen it in like a year

brb

 

[-ACE-]

Alex you're a terrible troll lol

 

[onlymaskde]

eddie... that blanket is cool as ****. i'ma put it ovah my aaeeeeehhhhhh.

no dave, that comment wasn't directed at you. are you 25? lol, my bad. we're cool broski.

 

[Dorsey]

Couldn't help but notice how ******** something from my post was... "I don't go to work because I'm a full-time student, full-time job, and a girlfriend. "

I meant I don't go to tournaments, and no I'm not a girlfriend... just drunk.

I expected a response but.. mike, I know you and we've played friendlies. I have nothing against you. go on AIM.