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It was intentionally irony. I'm glad you found out what a first grader could.No matter how many times I see you post, the irony never ceases to amaze me.
Lol no.
Omg, I was gonna say Jigglypuff is much better than 2nd or 3rd worst but slightly worse than Yoshi. I was gonna say high low or mid for both.
Lol I don't want it THAT badly, I just didn't want it to seem like the Wario matchup was set in stone. We don't have to discuss it next, even if you do it in a month from nao that would be fine.
Don't be a hypocrite mr 30:70 yoshi zomg teh pivot grab and usmash!
I didn't talk about ending the argument, aside from saying I wouldn't stand against it if that's what everyone wants (and it is). And you still haven't made any good arguments outside of completely hyperbolic strawmen - as illustrated above - in favor of anything else.
I'm all for settling on a lesser number, but you'll forgive me if rising Pound doesn't cut it for me.
Sure, why not. Drop me a PM sometime and we'll set something up, man. Sounds fun.
but like yoshi's grab release to uair its not too consistant. and i dont think we can win an entire match just on pivot grabs xD
I think peach is good. I played probably the best peach in florida on many occasions and have yet to win but they're always down to the wire which is when I choke "/
It was inferred lol
For the record this was posted about three weeks ago. I'd check out this part of the discussion in particular and give your input on the parts that catch your interest.Fair enough, Stocky. You do raise some great points as always.
And I wasn't trying to make out his pivot to be an unbeatable, OMGWTFHAX type move, either. I'm just saying that between his pivot grab, his ETS, and his up smash, it's a little difficult for Jigglypuff to effectively space back airs against him.
For instance, if she deliberately tried to fake me out in order to bait a counter, I can more often than not ETS back a ways instead of attacking, which opens up some movement and attack options for me.
Coming in high tends to be risky because of Yoshi's up smash, and her Pound is also something to be reconsidered for the reasons Mmac outlined.
I'm certainly not saying this is a no-win situation for Jigglypuff. There's certainly always options for every player. Even Donkey Kong has options against King DeDeDe. For me, it's a matter of risk assessment. Who is more likely to come out on top, given all of the possible variations on a scenario as well as what coming out on top nets that character in terms of damage and positioning.
For instance, say she gets a little too gutsy and tries tapping me with a back air. I see her coming in at a nice angle for it, so I go for an up smash. If Jigglypuff comes out on top, she lands a back air and puts me in a brief stun, and can either attempt to back air me again, which would put us in the same scenario, but with a diminished back air on her part, or change her angle and do something else.
Not a bad scenario, but let's look at the alternative. Say I hit the up smash. She's gotten hit with a smash attack, she's flung upwards and outwards at an angle. Now she has to start either falling down on me (which she does very slowly), or she has to move away from me. Either way it buys me time to reposition, Egg Toss her, or even attempt an up air (or fake an attempt at it). Strategically speaking, my coming out on top in this relatively even scenario has a more significant impact on the match-up.
I would put it to you that the majority of the situations in this particular match-up work this way, making it extremely difficult for Jigglypuff to get the upper hand. Again, it's not to say that she can't do so, but as they say, she has to work harder for it. When you take into account that in an approaching situation, Yoshi has better options than her (usually, though this can be context-dependent), in an up-close confrontation they have about the same number of options, and that in a KO situation, Yoshi has more potential for landing that final hit, I would say that it is mathematically weighted strongly in Yoshi's favor.
Of course, you raise some great points as well, and as such, I certainly look forward to what you have to say on the subject.
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MK is too easy of a discussion. We've had it to many times. But on a pro level....just ask Bwett.
I do recall killing an MK at about 120-130 with Utlit in a doubles match (battlefield though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6hVi6zPgyc&feature=relatedAh, misread that. Yeah, that makes more sense. Rollout works in some situations, too.
Just... not many.
(Oh... and how P.O.ed do you think Mmac is going to be at this latest derailment?
Meta needs to play Sir O. Grudge match of the century.
Wouldn't there need to be a grudge? lol we are fine with each other we just have different views. as for fighting the lagfi would probly be so bad (different ends of the country) that it wouldn't mean anything if either won. regardless id luv to do friendlies with him if we could get lagfi working for 10 seconds
Yeah, we've got lots of the big hitters done; let's focus on getting more characters out of the way.
