that's not true at all.
when did i say that?
when did i say that?
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Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
Here. It turns out it was the other guy that made the Johnny Bravo comment.
Darkshadow7827
Smash Lord
It's all good Pluvia. I respect your choice to work out or not work out whatever you want.
I have a friend who's an intermediate lifter and he doesn't do legs. He did track during high school and he runs more than he lifts. His legs are pretty huge and his calves are amazing. Not the most toned, but the mass is there hahaha.
I did legs yesterday. It hurts to walk.
I have a friend who's an intermediate lifter and he doesn't do legs. He did track during high school and he runs more than he lifts. His legs are pretty huge and his calves are amazing. Not the most toned, but the mass is there hahaha.
I did legs yesterday. It hurts to walk.
Keblerelf
Smash Ace
You're an idiot.
Are your comprehension skills so weak that you gathered that squats and other leg exercises are for fixing imbalances? By your logic, if I only do lower body, then curls and bench will be "fixing my imbalances" too.
Why not just do them now and save yourself the trouble? Why not prevent muscle imbalances before they even start instead of doing it when the problem arises?
Squats make you a man. You're better off doing body weight squats than you are curling your 5kg weights.
so.... where did i say that?
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
Here. It turns out it was the other guy that made the Johnny Bravo comment.
I believe you quoted me saying that squatting will help you get big.
Unless your goal is to get bigger in a fat context, I don't get how squats wouldn't help you.
Unless your goal is to get bigger in a fat context, I don't get how squats wouldn't help you.
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
I like how in the first post you emphasised the weight loss part then when called out on it you chose to ignore it twice.
Anyway this isn't a debate thread, and I'll whittle this down to the bone because I don't run out of stamina for things like this, so I'll force myself to end it here. You can reply to this with one sentence or 8 paragraphs, it doesn't matter, I wont respond.
Anyway this isn't a debate thread, and I'll whittle this down to the bone because I don't run out of stamina for things like this, so I'll force myself to end it here. You can reply to this with one sentence or 8 paragraphs, it doesn't matter, I wont respond.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Yeaaa **** squats
You don't know me you don't know my life
You don't know me you don't know my life
Keblerelf
Smash Ace
I forgot that even though we're in a non-smash thread, we're still on smashboards.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Has anyone ever done "good mornings"? It's basically having one of those smaller barbells over your back (similar to how you old a barbell for squat) and you simply bend forward while keeping your back straight. Been doing it for 2 weeks now and I definitely feel it work my hammies. Anyone seen benefits from this? I'm just doing this cause I lack flexibility in my hamstrings, though it feels more like a warm up exercise than a legitimate exercise.
Correct. Squats are key to improving overall strength. Helps with EVERYTHING. Do your squats folks
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I wanna do squats, but did lower back yesterday already. Better to rest it now, and just do legs only today. And some abs work.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Squats also give you a sexy stomach, mmhmm.
squats give you a sexy everything.
I don't think squats are quite that important, honestly. Nobody can argue how awesome an exercise they are, but because of the short tendons in my heels, I can't safely squat with my heels planted, but that's not hindered my leg progress whatsoever. My legs keep getting stronger, I'm in proportion, etc.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Generally I always end up doing squats, but I've switched over to one legged DB squats.
@vermanubis: recommend trying either squatting a little shallower, or with your heels on some small weight plates or something.
It's not a safe thing to do for me. I mean, I can squat, but it's not safe, as it requires so much effort to keep my heels planted that it subtracts from my posture focus. If I squat shallow, if I get your meaning of shallow, then I'm doing a useless exercise. To illustrate a little more, to give slack to my tendons, I have to evert my feet almost 50 degrees, which makes having a safe base impossible. Doing leg presses and compensatory exercises for squats definitely hasn't had a negative impact on my progress or proportion, but like I said before, I won't argue how amazing they <are>, but as my own personal anecdote, I just don't think they're as paramount as some do.
out of interest, who said that you had short tendons?
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Is this a good idea at all? @___@
Podiatrist, PT and Orthopedic physician.
I have them in my wrists, too. My maximum dorsiflexion in my hands and feet is -5 degrees, which is almost 20 degrees less than average. It's a huge pain in the ***. When I was able to pretty much do a full split, yet my heels couldn't touch the floor without effort, I knew something was wrong lol.
As long as you're working out your legs you'll most likely always be in proportion/get stronger. I can't really do squats as often as I like due to bad knees
, but they are definitely the most beneficial lift you can do
its useful for people who will never be able to reach any sort of decent range. and old people. just takes the dorsiflexion out of the squat. still a good (but inferior) way of squatting.
respect.
i only ask because i know a bunch of people who say that, but have never received professional advice. obviously you're not one of these people.
i feel sorry for you now
Super_Sonic8677
Smash Lord
Deadlifts are equally sexy , being a pulling and pressing exercise at the same time.
I believe a balanced lower body and back work out should incorporate both. But one or the other is absolutely essential for overall strength gains. Everyone talks about squatting but the deadlift is something that is generally ignored.
Nothing trains your grip and back muscles like a heavy dead lift and like squatting, it is just short of being a total body exercise.
Computer died a while back is why I've disappeared. Still lifting and still going strong. I'll ellaborate more one this later if I have a computer later lol
Oh, it's not <too> bad. It just makes certain athletic tasks difficult, like squatting andits useful for people who will never be able to reach any sort of decent range. and old people. just takes the dorsiflexion out of the squat. still a good (but inferior) way of squatting.
respect.
i only ask because i know a bunch of people who say that, but have never received professional advice. obviously you're not one of these people.
i feel sorry for you now
Aside from that, it's not that noticeable. Just frustrating.
Oh, and I also can't do palm strikes very well, either.
Don't listen to shmot his advice will send you to the hospital!
Darkshadow7827
Smash Lord
Question: What does squatting without shoes do. I've read somewhere that it is more difficult as you don't have as much stabilization. I've ask someone squatting barefoot in the gym and he said that it is actually more beneficial for you hip, as shoes tend to have the sole raised up a bit higher than the balls of the foot.
Lawl. You're mean. : PDon't listen to shmot his advice will send you to the hospital!
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
So I did those squats. Surprised how much you can feel them, I thought i'd need an insane amount of weights but my normal weights are fine.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Went up 25 pounds on my bench max today. I'm doing four plates total now.
Yea, ugh gyms are super gross. There was some dude texting while at the urinal today. Didn't even wash his hands.
I'm getting some flat-footed Converse for this reason, but I don't think I'd go barefoot. That just doesn't sound sanitary.
Yea, ugh gyms are super gross. There was some dude texting while at the urinal today. Didn't even wash his hands.
If this is your first time bulking my recommendation is to go hardcore. Freshman gains are ridiculous. Eat. Lift. Breath and sleep in between.
Meno is a beast. That's a massive jump.
as far as the heel lift goes, its true, and it actually makes squatting lower a little easier. notice how official powerlifting shoes all contain a considerable heel, promoting that dorsiflexion.
average gym goer most probably wouldnt notice a difference.
tbh some people just can't handle it...Don't listen to shmot his advice will send you to the hospital!
runners will often push into your arch, and during squats, may force you onto the outside of your feet. this isnt a bad thing, unless you overbalance, or you find your knees also roll outwards.
as far as the heel lift goes, its true, and it actually makes squatting lower a little easier. notice how official powerlifting shoes all contain a considerable heel, promoting that dorsiflexion.
average gym goer most probably wouldnt notice a difference.
Pikaville
Pikaville returns 10 years later.
Does someone else actually know of the existence of Darkplace?Yeaaa **** squats
You don't know me you don't know my life
theeboredone
Smash Legend
2 straight workouts where I go into the gym with it hardly raining, and come back out with it pouring.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Stupid question but, I noticed that when I try to do preacher curls, my palms start to hurt a lot when I try to lift the EZ Curl bar up. Is there anyway I can reduce it? The parts I grab have a lot of uh..."bumps" to them. It's not smooth metal per say.
Darkshadow7827
Smash Lord
I know what you talkin bout. Them grated edges. I guess lifting gloves could help. Or you can wait till your callouses get thick enough.
Keblerelf
Smash Ace
your hands will develop callouses and the knurling of the bar won't hurt as much.
Wear gloves if you want to look like a *****.
(but seriously, the gloves will make it harder to grip by giving your hands more, and they don't prevent callouses if you had that in mind.)
Wear gloves if you want to look like a *****.
(but seriously, the gloves will make it harder to grip by giving your hands more, and they don't prevent callouses if you had that in mind.)
This is my first time bulking. And define hardcore, do you mean as in training or hardcore on my intake, or both?
I'm trying to count calories somewhat so I always get 3500 per day, but I'm still not to sure if that's the ideal amount.
EDIT: I wasn't even meaning to bulk, sadly I was just eating right for a change. I'm only taking about 500 calories in excess of my maintenance, should I start a bulk cycle now? Sometimes it's hard for me to maintain that calorie level, definitely easy with having bought a weight gain protein (1250 calories per serving) but I was only halving it to start with, should I be shooting for 1000 plus extra this week and see how that goes? Then drop back some the next week?
Change everything you know about BBing. Despite what advertisements and obstinate juicers suggest, calories don't make you big; protein does. You shouldn't be cramming everything humanly possible into a single day (3,500-4,000 is advisable if you're my height/weight, which is about 6'3"/215), but ideally, you should be trying to balance your meals to get 20 calories per lbs of body weight. If you're 140 or so as your last post suggests, you're in an almost 1,000 calorie surplus if you're eating 3,500-4,000 a day. Calorie surpluses certainly make you gain weight, but it's not the kind of weight that I think anybody wants (fat). Calories don't build muscle. They just support function. As for protein powder, if any protein powder has more than 200 calories per serving, it's garbage that's loaded with sugar, fat and other contaminants. A lot of "fitness" companies like to use the oldest marketing/rhetorical technique in the book, called equivocation, which allows them to put things like "weight gain" on their products, in hopes that the fitness neophyte won't make the distinction between muscle and fat weight.
My best advice is to go to this site: http://scoobysworkshop.com/
It paces you, and the guy that operates it is a straight shooter who tells you what you need to do without polluting you with a bunch of professional BBing mythology like bulking, fast gains and so forth. He tells you up front that you've got to work your *** off for a long time, you have to eat properly (note the distinction between eating a lot and eating properly), you have to workout with proper form, and you have to create a dynamic regimen to follow.
As for what Meno said, he's just referring to the fact that when you start off lifting, your size and strength gains will come considerably quicker than if you're a veteran, which is primarily due to an "unlocking" mechanism that the body undergoes which allows the nervous system to allow muscles to contract with more force.
I also think this would be an invaluable resource to the thread to set newcomers', and even vets' goals realistically: http://scoobysworkshop.com/expectations/ (In case it didn't go without saying, if you're in the younger range where up to 50lbs is attainable, most of that is from pubescent growth, not bodybuilding)
As an addendum, I'd also like to point out a few universal form concepts that I think would benefit anyone:
-Never arch your back, no matter what exercise you're doing. (I see most people arch their back with shoulder presses. Sit in a chair and make sure that your back isn't touching the back of the chair and that your back is perpendicular to the floor)
-Never use any momentum. None. Zero. Everything but your target muscle should be still as the grave. If you have to swing, bounce or assist the lift, then you're cheating. If you can't control the rep with slow flexion and extension, then you're using too much weight.
-Go through the entire range of motion. (For example, when I see people doing flyes, they usually have their arms flexed at a 90 degree angle, at which their doable weight multiplies. You won't get the full ROM unless you extend your arms as far as you can without locking your elbows [about 160 degrees]). That probably means dropping weight.
-Actively focus on the target muscle. To exemplify the above exercise again, it's easy to use your biceps to clear a fly unless you're focusing on squeezing your chest so your chest is doing the work. Same with rows. It's easy to let the bicep take too much of the load by flexing the arm instead of retracting the arm at the base (lat).