The New Match-up Chart

[Surri-Sama]

and for fox's recovery vs pika, depends how high fox is when recovering, if you theorycraft so that fox is always low, then his chances are just a tiny bit better than falcons.

And we are, so it makes perfect sense!

 

[Deleted member]

i don't get it

 

[smashkng]

DK is definitely a hard counter to Jigglypuff. He can kill it with 3 attacks: any attack, then fthrow then Giant Punch and after it is killed if Giant Punch is not significantly stale. I did it and cause he can 0-death it if using fthrow release in the first throw.

 

[Daedatheus]

DK is definitely a hard counter to Jigglypuff. He can kill it with 3 attacks: any attack, then fthrow then Giant Punch and after it is killed if Giant Punch is not significantly stale. I did it and cause he can 0-death it if using fthrow release in the first throw.

As long as the Jigglypuff player is able to mash buttons, this combo won't be pulled off.

 

[asianaussie]

I have too many matchups where I don't know who wins for sure, some i think i do (like Yoshi> samus, i don't see why people think its even)

Yoshi > Samus. I can speak from Samus's point of view. It makes more sense than Yoshi >> Samus (which isn't right at all), and Yoshi definitely has the edge in recovery and comboing (even if U-Tilt stops working at moderate damage). It's just that Samus can't edgeguard Yoshi with anything much until about 100% (when both Neut B and B-Air start working well). Yoshi, however, can use eggs to beat down Samus's recovery without much hassle (bomb recovering is very interceptable, and failure to bomb recover (in order to dodge) can be fatal. F-Air (the only real move that can be thrown out while recovering - N-Air is too long, B-Air's forward hitbox isn't usually enough) doesn't beat eggs. Samus can't combo, but that comes with the territory. Yoshi can be beaten with clever use of certain moves (Down-B comes to mind, amongst the staples like D-Air), but he definitely has the edge. Can someone good with (preferably maining) Samus add to this? Samus has a lot of different playstyles, so I definitely can't cover anything near the entire matchup.

DK is definitely a hard counter to Jigglypuff. He can kill it with 3 attacks: any attack, then fthrow then Giant Punch and after it is killed if Giant Punch is not significantly stale. I did it and cause he can 0-death it if using fthrow release in the first throw.

You do realise that Jiggs can just as easily own the crap through DK? As long as she can win the spacing war, getting in there and going combo crazy means death for the pudgy target that is DK. DK is hardly a 'hard counter'.

There are several ways to escape such a simple combo. One is not moving towards DK after he throws you. This makes Giant Punch miss most of the time, and pretty much all of the time if it's an aerial Giant Punch. The second: button mash while the DK moves closer to an edge (doing this from the center of Hyrule, for example, generally won't do it) and you're out.

Personally, I think Jiggs > DK. It just takes some spacing skill and prediction to get a big, easily exploited target.

 

[Gammelnorsk]

dk ownz

 

[asianaussie]

dk ownz

Well...yeah, but so does everyone else.

 

[Daedatheus]

There are several ways to escape such a simple combo. One is not moving towards DK after he throws you. This makes Giant Punch miss most of the time, and pretty much all of the time if it's an aerial Giant Punch. The second: button mash while the DK moves closer to an edge (doing this from the center of Hyrule, for example, generally won't do it) and you're out.

You're right about the mashing, but if DK lands this and the player can't escape the cargo grab, then "not moving towards DK" doesn't do anything. Test the combo out in training mode - Hit Jiggs with fair, grab, then fthrow to giant punch. If done right, fthrow to GP is an actual combo.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Jiggly shouldn't get close to DK...if it does, use UpB

 

[Zen Yore]

i remember playing neph's jigglypuff with DK on dreamland once, and he predicted my techroll so he did a Sing-Slide, but it was interrupted by my up+b, and another time by a grab.

DK > Jiggs

 

[Fireblaster]

Lol, how does anyone think jiggs is better than DK? Do they think all DK players are horrible at spacing and just stand there while getting hit with Dair?

Don't all of DK's aerials have like twice the range of puff's?

 

[Surri-Sama]

Lol, how does anyone think jiggs is better than DK? Do they think all DK players are horrible at spacing and just stand there while getting hit with Dair?

Don't all of DK's aerials have like twice the range of puff's?

Yes, plus UpB stops everything..almost literally...if not in fact literally

 

[NixxxoN]

DK = Jiggs

And what about Kirby vs DK?? IMO its a pretty close matchup. Kirby is Kirby, but DK has more range and can do the "ITT" but I dont know if its reliable enough

Edit: I forgot that Kirby can absorb DK and make an utilt-utilt-utilt to GP combo.

So probably its Kirby>DK

 

[MattNF]

I tried saying DK > Jiggly way earlier

but smoke2joints got his panties in a bunch

 

[Deleted member]

Yoshi > Samus. I can speak from Samus's point of view. It makes more sense than Yoshi >> Samus (which isn't right at all), and Yoshi definitely has the edge in recovery and comboing (even if U-Tilt stops working at moderate damage). It's just that Samus can't edgeguard Yoshi with anything much until about 100% (when both Neut B and B-Air start working well). Yoshi, however, can use eggs to beat down Samus's recovery without much hassle (bomb recovering is very interceptable, and failure to bomb recover (in order to dodge) can be fatal. F-Air (the only real move that can be thrown out while recovering - N-Air is too long, B-Air's forward hitbox isn't usually enough) doesn't beat eggs. Samus can't combo, but that comes with the territory. Yoshi can be beaten with clever use of certain moves (Down-B comes to mind, amongst the staples like D-Air), but he definitely has the edge. Can someone good with (preferably maining) Samus add to this? Samus has a lot of different playstyles, so I definitely can't cover anything near the entire matchup.

Yoshi has a LOT of options besides up-tilt

Down-air beats eggs

Samus edgeguard options aren't that bad, your opponent might try to attack on the way back and often times, if you catch them before the move comes out (like f-air), you get a free kill.

If your opponent is recovering low and you know for sure that Yoshi is going to try to hump the wall onto the stage, you can try grabbing, but only if you know its going to work.

Charge shot to the face is great at mid percents

But yeah overall Yoshi owns Samus recoverywise, even at mid-high percent, if you DI well enough, you can still grab the edge after Samus f-smashes you.

There are really two styles you can play for Samus against all characters, you can space effectively and trick your opponents like a champ or you can be a camping ***** to piss your opponent off enough to force him to approach so the match will end faster

 

[Deleted member]

I tried saying DK > Jiggly way earlier

but smoke2joints got his panties in a bunch

are you stupid (yes)

all i've said it's not DK >>>>> Jiggly like the rest of the world says, I agree its still DK advantage


you listed combos that anybody can get out. F-throw to giant punch at low percent?

down-air to clap?


get some reading comprehension first before you try to understand words

 

[Surri-Sama]

Kirby has more range then people think..at least then Nixxxon thinks

 

[t3h Icy]

Some Agreement:

Pikachu > Falcon to Pikachu = Falcon
Falcon = Yoshi to Falcon > Yoshi
Samus > Jigglypuff to Samus = Jigglypuff
DK >> Jigglypuff to DK > Jigglypuff

Debating:

Pikachu > Samus to Pikachu >> Samus
Mario > Kirby to Mario = Kirby
Falcon >> Samus to Falcon > Samus
Fox >> Jigglypuff to Fox > Jigglypuff
Jigglypuff = Yoshi to Jigglypuff > Yoshi
Luigi >> Jigglypuff to Luigi > Jigglypuff

I'm going to update tonight, so some discussion on the first four matches would be great. I think enough was said about Yoshi/Samus and Jigglypuff/Pikachu, so I'm leaving them as they are for now. If you disagree, post why.

After this update, Falcon should shoot way up, and Jigglypuff should get to a more respectable placing.

 

[MattNF]

are you stupid (yes)

all i've said it's not DK >>>>> Jiggly like the rest of the world says, I agree its still DK advantage


you listed combos that anybody can get out. F-throw to giant punch at low percent?

down-air to clap?


get some reading comprehension first before you try to understand words

lol

u mad?

 

[Deleted member]

lol

u mad?

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face of the planet where no one can find it again not even god and he wont even bother cause i have told you he hates you and wants you to cease to exist he hates your furniture and your house it looks like every broken down ugly abandoned crack house combined even all the ones that the cops shut down and they are shutting them down because they are looking for you mother ****er and its only a matter of time before they find you and bring you to me so i can torment you and make you eat your dads testicles and lick the hot asphalt streets covered with oil and rocks and animal carcasses you will keep listening because what i say is the holy truth and fact and even scientists from everywhere say that yes you need to die and the sooner the better you sack of **** with dead smelly fish in it i will go into the future and bring back the biggest most modern and destructive gun ever in the universe and jam your head down inside the barrel with my foot and just before you suffocate i will pull the trigger and the whole planet will cheer and they will make me king of earth and i will have all the ***** i want you ******* you will die and i will be thanked daily for the rest of time come on in i am ready i will kick your *** i will write about destroying you and it will be a best seller everyone wants to stick an axe in your chest and twist it they will look deep into your eyes and laugh until their sides split you are a walking comedy you are a hundred bad drivers you are so dumb stupid and pathetic you dont even know how to play candyland and even if you had candyland the company who makes it would find out cause all of a sudden all the other candyland games would stink when children opened them up and the company would take it back from you and slap you in the ****ing face for even thinking that they made the game for you to even know about much less play it and all those poor kids with stinky candyland games that they got for christmas you have ruined christmas for them and santa clause will make a special trip from the north pole to ****ing kill you and make you suck the caca out of his reindeers ***** then he will call christ and he will ****ing nail you to a cross and tell his dad to strike you with lightning every hour on the hour and call down vultures to eat away at your eyeballs you will die and i will be first in line to watch i will piss and defecate on your grave i will kick over your headstone and carve giant swastikas on it and spray paint your address on every wall and flat surface in the world so people can go to your house any time they want day or night and abuse you and torture and maim and burn and squash your little pecker and shove it in to your ****ing mouth so you can choke on it and barf yourself inside out so i can pour salt on your insides and take a cheese grater to your balls you **** dirty **** licking dirt clod you slovenly dimwitted ****headed ****kicker go suck a horses **** i will ravage your family with fire and bombs i will destroy your lives you are all ****ing ****ty and insignificant and have no use being you ****ing sucking ****hole *** licker of street gutters your mom lives in the gutter i will crush her **** head cause your brain is made by purina cause you have such a dog face from sticking your nose in poodle butts you ******* slime let me ****ing rip you in half and drag you across the desert i want to drown you in my toilet and flush you down the pipes to the sewage treatment plant where you will probably **** up the machines and nobody will be able to use their toilets anymore so they will have to tie you up and **** in your mouth you will get so constipated and we will shove a cork in your *** to make you explode all over the walls and we will make your children clean it up with their hair it is so matted and rotted anyway who will know the difference i will know the difference i can spot you and your kind from far far away even from another planet even if i was blind and on another planet you cannot hide anywhere and no one will let you anyway you are trapped there is no way out you will see my bullets coming towards you in slow motion yet you will not be able to escape and parts of your body will be shredded one by one and you will scream scream scream in such terrible agony i cant even begin to describe it without using up all time in the world but if you wake up my neighbors i will kick your ****ing lame chicken *** in so just remember that when you wake up and find that your legs have been cut off and you feel like screaming you dumb slobbering idiot go suck an egg i ****ing hate you to death you **** dirty urinal licker when are you going to put a shotgun in your disgusting mouth ****er head i will destroy you i will disintegrate you into a pile of ashes and dump you into an ashtray so everyone can stick their cigarettes out on your miserable *** you dirty ******* you will be hung and beaten with rusty iron chains the heaviest that they make then you will be staked out in the desert to dehydrate and decompose in the hot sun your eyes will boil away what the hell is going on here why are you even on this planet why do you exist at all you septic tank sucker i will tell you you mother ****er you exist so as i can torment you and spit on you and tell you how much you ****ing suck you ******* you are so ****ing ugly when you walk down the street people scream and run to the bomb shelters and get flame throwers to burn you to cinders you are their entertainment i will ruin you to the utmost of my endlessly praised and admired ability when it comes to the subject of your destruction and who is to do it my ability far exceeds the limits of your measly mealy little raoch nipple brain so i will have to show you i will give a sample to your head i will demonstrate my powers of annihilation on the members of your family i will make their lives a living three dimensional hell and i am not talkin walt disney either i will starve them and urinate and defecate on their crushed and mangled bodies and i will have the time of my life smashing you out of existence it will give me the utmost pleasure and people will think of me forever after as a living god for ridding the universe of your entity when people eat a hero sandwich they will think of me because i am the one living being that will stop at absolutely nothing to eradicate you into total anti matter and that is all that matters to me and everyone else they hate you i hate you the gods even hate you especially zeus he is just aching to pump countless bolts of lightning into your fanny he will bring back to life every roman gladiator and they will slaughter you one by one over and over again yes it will be a glorious undertaking the klingons will have their turn too and so will everyone else that has ever lived in fiction or nonfiction they will all pay me huge and ludicrous sums of money to get a chance to destroy you and i will have a penthouse and women and you name it mother ****er i will tear you and punch holes in your tongue with an awl ya baby i am just getting started so you will read and read on cause this is about you and all for you my knives are for you my guns are for you my bombs missiles grenades landmines every tool of destruction known to man is at my disposal it was all donated to me with a hand shake and a smile once they knew what i needed them for your time has come it is your end bayba hallelujah praise all the gods of war and destruction your dead mutha ****ah i will kill yer *** an dats garunteeed i have all the heavy weight muthas on my side we are talkin god and jesus and allah and zeus and apollo and adolf hitler and lizzy borden and charles manson and abe lincoln and bozo and ready kilowatt and sugar bear and the whole crew from the honey comb hide out and gi joe not those little ones either were talking bout scarface gi joe and evel knievel and ghengis cahn and captain kirk and godzilla and general destructo and spider man and the entire planet of the apes and charles bronson and mike tyson and secret sauce agent and william shakespeare and jabber jaw and madonna and ****ing everyone man you are dead meat we will kill your *** you are ****ed forever you cant deny your destiny i will see to that you big fat slob of a **** eater you i hate you to no ends to infinity even past infinity so **** you i will light you on fire and dowse you with ****ing gasoline and other such highly flammable liquids **** head i ache to fry you and boil you in tar i have all kinds of nifty things in store for you mutha let the lord be praised for giving me such powers of complete and total carnage and i even have his permission to do with you anything i want he has washed his hands of you and left you to me for whatever and i will too you walking talking bag of used cat litter you ****ing ***** you will take anything up your ***** your **** is a ****ing vacuum cleaner that only sucks up things that are dirty and rusted and covered with mold and puke you suck on popsicles made from frozen diarrhea you never eat anything else but fecal matter except maybe maggots and some other **** like that **** you know what the **** i mean your the one that does it not i you ****in ********** do you understand now why i hate you of course not you are too ****ing ******** you are a nitwit a dufus and a simple and complete moron i will grind you against the roughest and harshest substances known to exist and i will put them on my black and decker belt sander and run it back and forth across your body but lets start with your ugly face so i wont have to look at it while i finish the job and this job pays well too even though i would gladly do it for free the thought of actually receiving truck loads of moola for doing something that i enjoy as much and even more than anything else makes me do it with that much bigger a smile on my face and even more warmth in my heart and laughter laughter laughter it is hilarious to watch you in such pain and to know that i am the sole perpetrator of your torture and punishment you were mistakenly brought into this world now you must you will and you are right now even as i speak and shove this skewer up your filthy *** suffering the consequences of your actions that were of course made by no thought of your own but i dont care do you hear me i dont ****ing ****ing care you are dead and thats all that matters and thats all that you even need think about cause thats all that your tiny mind can handle just you leave the how and why and what to me i will do a good job blowing you away you have the best turning you into the dirt that you are cause i hate you and i want you dead to all the universe and everything in it no one will ever find your remains they will be spread all over the galaxy it will take a five year mission an ten thousand dr whos to find you but they wont find you and do you want to know why ha ha ha ha ho ho he he ha because thats why because they ****ing dont care either and they never ever will ever thats why you **** head they hate you i told you you idiot everyone hates you everyone is on my side you havent got a prayer not even a chance in millions you have no hope of escaping they are all waiting everything that is nasty and painful awaits you patiently cause every possible combination of torture and torment will be inflicted upon you we have the biggest super computers in the world working day and night coming up with new and interesting ways of ****ing with you physically and mentally as well with others we might have overlooked you just name it sooner or later it will happen to you it is all heading in your direction it has one and only one target in mind and that is of course you who the **** else you dummy what did you think that there was someone else do you think i would go through all this trouble for someone else ha ha bull**** you are so ****ed and hated that there is only one of you to destroy it would be nice if we had exact copies of you to kill along with yourself but unfortunately we dont but we do have the immediate members of your family on ice so that when we are finished with you we can have a big party and start up on them yes sir it will be a blast what me and my cronies will do to them will turn your stomach but then again maybe it wont cause we will just do to them what we did to you we might change the order a bit for variety but so what who cares where you are concerned no one does thats who you are a bad **** kill yourself and save us the trouble you will try that and it wont work cause you were meant to be destroyed by me and me alone and if i want others to join in on the fun who hate you too thats my god **** business so **** off you big ****in weenie i will roast you and feed you too baseball fans but they will take just one bite and go running to the john to throw up and **** all kinds of diaherrea out of their ***** and you will be there to catch it too with your mouth wide open begging and pleading for more caca to be heaved in your direction and will it ever be heaved in your direction we are talking about dump trucks and forklifts and bulldozers and every other kind of heavy machinery available to man yes their wheels will roll over you relentlessly crushing and mangling your body so your own mother wont recognize it but all she will have to do is look at that filthy butthole of yours and she will recognize you immediately cause she has spent so much time with her tongue up there how many times a day does she scratch and claw at your pants to get you to give her an opportunity to reach way up your butthole and grab hold of mounds of hot **** that she can spread all over her naked body and then lay outside in the hot sun and bask in the stink and masturbate with dead rattlesnakes i will tell you how many times none thats how many because all she has to do is ask and you gladly have her do it and teach your sisters to do it and your dad cause you and your whole family are ****ing sick they need to be put away they need to be taken to a field and bombed by lowflying aircraft from every nation in the world we will test nerve gas on your family we will shoot you up with gallons of toxic drugs and watch and laugh as you peel off your skin and eat it yes why dont you just consume yourself that will be easy enough we will cook one of your arms over an open fire and let you eat it then we will do the same to your other arm and your legs and when thats all done and you are nothing but an even more useless torso we will just shoot you and use you as shark bate mother ****er full of **** that you are i will kick your *** i will ****in kill you man you god **** homo ****ing *** sucking living rot i hate you i will tar and feather and burn you pump a thousand pounds of compressed air into you until you ****ing explode dont you realize dont you ****ing get it i know your dumb and stupid and you are a moron and that is why i am drilling it into your head this is my job we have already covered that the only thing you need do is just listen to me listen to me because i am right listen to me because you have no mind of your own listen to me because you are searching for destruction but you dont have to search i am more than willing to bring it to your front door you ******* i am your armageddon man i am dominos pizza guaranteed fresh hot free delivery to you the one i hate what more can you ask for than to have the same service delivered to your crazy ****ed up and smelly loved ones but you dont need to ask this is just what i am talking about you are so dumb this is a ****ing package deal not only do we wipe you out but we wipe everyone out that has anything to do with you we have a list and we are checking it twice we will decide who will get slaughtered and fried mutha ****ah jam jam jam on it you will die thats all there is to it theres no tell in which one of us will do it so get this **** head yer ***** history baby go get the **** out of here you are a scum and suck **** off eat **** go jump on the slow boat to china and when you do get to china we will be right there to blow your ****ing head to smithereens got it you ******* you piece of turd you amount to nothing not one iota ziltcho zero nada the big circle we will sell your children to satanists to use in their rituals we will make tapes of it so that the torture of your children can be seen and enjoyed by millions on the geraldo show your annihilation will be the hippest and most popular saturday morning entertainment for all the kids who you went to school with especially the neilsons who teased you and hit you and beat on you and called you names and who hated you and made you eat their **** and suck their ***** they will all watch you fry and take part in call in surveys of what to do to you next it will be fun it will be a fun family entertainment extravaganza for us all and not only on a sunday morning either but on every day of the week like morton downey jr like the six o clock news like reruns and wheel of fortune pat sajak will crucify you on the wheel himself and spin it and vanna white will menstruate all over your spinning body you will get so sick from spinning that you will puke in one long gigantic barf that will leave you completely hollow and your organs and guts will be all over the set and we will stomp on them and mash them with our feet and then feed it to snails also of course long sharp burning white hot shards of tempered glass will be dropped on you from the top of a skyscraper while you are chained to the street so cars carrying gleefully stoked to the max passengers can play havoc with your ugly deformed zitty pestilent stinky rancid moldy body you trashy bottle ****ing masturbating necrophilic your torture will give all of us who hate your miserable *** such a rip roaring good time budwieser will be drunk dry and then after we are drunk we will drive dozens of large older and incredibly heavy and cheap automobiles recklessly into your home your mother and father will cover the bottom of our vehicles your kids will eat the glass of our headlights and your girlfriend your girl friend will be train ****ed and i mean we will tie her down and literally drive a roaring mile long amtrak up her gaping hole what you have the nerve to call her ***** we will be on a **** hunt when we find the **** we will shoot her and cut her ****ing head off and stuff it in a trash bin behind a seven eleven where it will rot and decay into a mound of dust and all the poor decayed maggots who died thinking they had found a meal but they found poison instead you ******* how dare you bring that on poor innocent maggots **** you you will pay you ******* you will pay with your services as a being to be hated and destroyed ****ing **** you **** **** you and **** you to death ****ing die die die die die i hate hate hate you i hate all of you come to me i will crush you into and right through the pavement i will beat you with my fists until nothing is left not even the tiniest morsel of your being will escape me i will pound you into the dirt until the earth splits in half i will torment you till the sun is reduced to a single ice cube wandering around the universe aimlessly in search of a freezer i will take you out to space and toss you into a ****ing black hole let carl sagan deal with your pitiful **** i wont have it any more do you ****ing understand me you slovenly wretch of a human being but you arent a human you are a cheap imitation a poorly informed imposter your are dead meat and youre mine mine to destroy mine to obliterate mine to throw into the depths of the deepest hottest inferno yah mutha you are mine and i am lovin it you dont know just how *****in it is to have your very own torture toy it is great and thats all you need to know cause i will tell you what ever the **** i want to if i want to tell you to bite your tongue in half or i will mash your balls in a vise hey thats my business not yours so **** off and do what i tell you and without delay either cause if you postpone any of my enjoyment by god forbid procrastinating i will beat the **** out of you and cut your little sisters ******* off got that clown idiot jerko you better because i am not laughing mother ****er i hate you and i always will hate you forever and ever and we are not talking just until the cows come home or until hell freezes over or when the fat lady sings we are talking forever man you suck and stink and smell and i will kill you you are a worthless piece of trash the worst thing ever to happen to gods universe and you are dead meat all of us feel the same way and we wont rest because ****ing with you is how we get our jollies and our jollies are very important to us you ******* go die i hate you now you **** go back to the beginning of this story the best story that has ever been written or ever will be **** the bible as it has nothing on this fine piece of work and start all over again or i will kill the **** out of you i didnt think you would obey me thats why i love to **** with you because you are a never ending inspiration you piss me off so much all the time i always have energy to kill and maim you i have endless credit with the swiss banks and all the worlds defense departments to get as many weapons as i need want or could ever ask for to obliterate your poor pathetic weenie into dust space dust because thats where i would have to put it deep into space so deep.

 

[Skrlx]

Oh my god... I think you're gonna get banned for this

But i'd just like to say sMoke2jointz just won the internets

 

[killa k]

*Really long angry post*

I lmfao'd. Made my day and I haven't even read all yet.

 

[t3h Icy]

http://665ovizinhodabesta.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_archive.html

Anyway, updated:

Pikachu = Falcon
Falcon > Yoshi
DK > Jigglypuff
Jigglypuff = Samus

So Samus now has nothing but even match-ups at best, while Pikachu no longer has an advantage against every character. There's also a very noticeable drop off after Falcon, where every character is even with the rest and are struggling to get 6th. The difference between Pikachu, Fox, Mario, Kirby and Falcon and the other characters is rather large. I'd like to see how it changes as the chart becomes more accurate.

For now, the following match-ups are being debated:

Pikachu > Samus to Pikachu >> Samus
Mario > Kirby to Mario = Kirby
Falcon >> Samus to Falcon > Samus
Fox >> Jigglypuff to Fox > Jigglypuff
Jigglypuff = Yoshi to Jigglypuff > Yoshi
Luigi >> Jigglypuff to Luigi > Jigglypuff

If there are others that you feel are incorrect, please mention them, since there are (likely) more than 6 debatable match-ups.

 

[MattNF]

I think he might be mad

not sure

 

[Tee ay eye]

Maybe, all he did was C+P it

 

[Skrlx]

I think he might be mad

not sure

wut

no u

 

[asianaussie]

You're right about the mashing, but if DK lands this and the player can't escape the cargo grab, then "not moving towards DK" doesn't do anything. Test the combo out in training mode - Hit Jiggs with fair, grab, then fthrow to giant punch. If done right, fthrow to GP is an actual combo.

I see. Looks like I need to play more DK. I suppose DK does win in terms of priority...by a lot.

There are really two styles you can play for Samus against all characters, you can space effectively and trick your opponents like a champ or you can be a camping ***** to piss your opponent off enough to force him to approach so the match will end faster

You can just rush ahead with aerials. Samus has good priority on 3/5 of her aerials, she can hold out well with some prediction.

I prefer to think of my playing styles as offensive/defensive. Offensive is constant harassment with techchases, aerial rush, etc. Defensive is against characters who combo Samus very easily...it's just landing a few F-Airs/B-Airs here and there until D-Air starts having a more noticeable effect. I sort of revolve around D-Air when I use Samus. Not that it's a bad thing...I memorised the hitbox pretty effectively.

But on the subject of Yoshi-Samus, I still think Yoshi > Samus. Quality of recovery, general comboing prowess and edgeguarding are probably the main things that separate the two and give Yoshi the advantage.

 

[Deleted member]

edit: never mind

 

[smashkng]

are you stupid (yes)

all i've said it's not DK >>>>> Jiggly like the rest of the world says, I agree its still DK advantage


you listed combos that anybody can get out. F-throw to giant punch at low percent?

down-air to clap?


get some reading comprehension first before you try to understand words

But on Jigglypuff fthrow to Giant Punch kills from 3 attacks: any attack or fthrow release then fthrow GP. I don't know if he can kill others with it before no longer being a combo.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Stop with the one liners, and stupid **** please.

Edit does not hide from Mods, remember that.

 

[Daedatheus]

But on Jigglypuff fthrow to Giant Punch kills from 3 attacks: any attack or fthrow release then fthrow GP. I don't know if he can kill others with it before no longer being a combo.

It's been said enough times and this issue should be laid entirely to rest - any good player who mashes buttons will escape the cargo grab at low percents (IE the only time this combo is possible) rendering such a thing useless, because you can't fthrow instantly, you have to jump as well.

It only works vs. n00bs who don't know how to escape the grab.

 

[Zen Yore]

yes i was madd

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srsly i hope u arent the one who wrote all that cuz if u did, seriously i feel bad for u lol

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

I think jiggly does good against dk

 

[Zen Yore]

I think jiggly does good against dk

YOUR jiggly does good against DK's

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

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what the f*uck smoke2jointz?

 

[SheerMadness]

I challenge Yoshi being disadvantaged to Mario.

Seems like a pritty even matchup to me.

And I've played all the top Marios.

You also have videos of Sossi going even with the top Japanese Marios too.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I've seen videos of Isai's Link beat many top Pika players in the world. That doesn't mean Link > Pika. If many top Links can beat many top Pikas, then that's a different story.

Also, Japanese and American smash is completely different. A matchup that is >> in the American version can easily change to << in the Japanese version. You cannot use anything related to the Japanese version for a matchup chart.

 

[Deleted member]

.........

what the f*uck smoke2jointz?

i'm not letting anybody get away with dissing me about my panties

 

[Surri-Sama]

common guys...drop it now please...its' dealt with

 

[t3h Icy]

Some agreement:

Pikachu > Samus to Pikachu >> Samus
Mario > Kirby to Mario = Kirby
Falcon >> Samus to Falcon > Samus
Fox >> Jigglypuff to Fox > Jigglypuff
Jigglypuff = Yoshi to Jigglypuff > Yoshi
Luigi >> Jigglypuff to Luigi > Jigglypuff

Debating:

Mario > Yoshi to Mario = Yoshi
Yoshi = Samus to Yoshi > Samus
Kirby > Luigi to Kirby = Luigi

Also I think the Dk/Jigglypuff match is pretty much settled. I tested the Fthrow to Giant Punch from both perspectives, and if you know what you're doing, you can get out of it. Granted though, if they do the throw and they predict you well, they can hit with the Giant Punch, but otherwise, it should be pretty avoidable. DK is still better in the match-up though, but not by a huge margin.