The Luigi Social Thread

[Yonder]

Oh, and fireballs against a Marth is probably your best bet . That Up B move is also rather easy to land a Up tilted F smash or Shoryuken on. You can usually get back in time from when it hit you to take advantage of the huge amount of lag it leaves behind,

And abuse the tornado as much as possible in most matchups, a great move that works well enough for approach (Pretty much the only way to approach >_<)

Falling Tornados stop most people from juggling you too, to make up for Luigi's easyness to juggle in the air.

 

[elheber]

The Cyclone is my favorite move. So versatile. The greatest ever... It's like angels are having sex on your face in rhythm to acid jazz music. Close your eyes and inhale slowly, you guys, because the Luigi Cyclone is to Brawl what angel sex is to your face.

Inhale, I say!

 

[Suspect]

marth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>luigi

wish i played the marths you guys played

 

[TreK]

When a non marth main takes marth against me, I usually win because they're confident and I'm not
Marth mains it's another story, they know how to use marth's moves and kill me =/

 

[WIGI]

im 50/50 on marths. if the players betetr than me, il loose, if im betetr il win.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

im 50/50 on marths. if the players betetr than me, il loose, if im betetr il win.

what is they are equal

 

[A2ZOMG]

Marth mains is the most ridiculous matchup in this game.

I said "Marth mains" yes.

Vs Marth...you can beat him if you can bait him a lot. And good Marths don't let you bait him hmmmmmmm.

Also...if you don't space Tornado carefully, he might Up-B you out of it. Which sucks.

And I pulled off an epic Mario + Luigi combo in teams (I was Luigi). Luigi N-air edgeguard -> Mario B-air edgeguard. Really awesome against predictable recoveries as they try to Up-B.

 

[AGuyNamedRaf]

Vs Marth...you can beat him if you can bait him a lot. And good Marths don't let you bait him hmmmmmmm.

Good Marth players make me want to cry. On the other hand, if I can bait the nonsense out of them, I will win hands down. SHORYUKEN!!!

 

[Suspect]

speaking of teams, i cant wait for that replay to get uploaded, its taking a while cuz this one chick has it.

3 shoryukens(all fresh) in one match. Last 1 killed both of the players at the same time resulting in GAME!

crowd went wild

 

[LuigiKing]

Lol last weekend I teamed with a peach main and I shoryukened him and the opposing MK at the same time <_<

It was funny.

 

[hippiedude92]

Marth is hard, as we all know, but unwinnable? I say no to that. I played one the same skill level as me today and won by a hair...not unwinnable if you ask me -_-. But I suck, what do I know.

Nah you'll really see what kind of difference between "good" and "bad" Marth mains. Marth mains will be ZONING THE **** OUTTA YOU. Once your on the ledge. you don't come back unless you do Zhaos LOL trick lmao. l beat usually most luigi on wifi and offline with marth since l memorized this matchup by heart. Only by playing gay and some smart rolling will let you win but Marth still wins otherwise

Although I haven't played the super-high level Marths... every time I play someone better than me and he chooses Marth, I always do better. Someone could own me real hard with Samus, Peach, Falco, or whatever, and then they choose Marth and I destroy them or win by a hair. And if they're super better than me, I manage to get only 1-stocked as opposed to *****.

I think Luigi's fine against Marth. Yeah, Marth's fast, has excellent range, and his attacks come out lightning-quick. But he's a pansy off-stage and a breeze to gimp. PSing destroys him too.

Really, I see so many Luigi's try to recover against Marth the wrong way and get KOd by his fAir WoP or Dolphin Slash... c'mon guys! That's like the most predictable thing.

*walks away in a fit*

Because once your offstage luigi HAS no other option to get out of Marth's zoning. most luigis go for sweet spot green missile, options like edgehog, counter which SAYS ALOT wrecks luigis recovery. You only have to hope to get back on stage if they mess up. Most marths usually zone you and ledge trap you then take advantage offstage.

Marth mains is the most ridiculous matchup in this game.

I said "Marth mains" yes.

Vs Marth...you can beat him if you can bait him a lot. And good Marths don't let you bait him hmmmmmmm.

Also...if you don't space Tornado carefully, he might Up-B you out of it. Which sucks.

And I pulled off an epic Mario + Luigi combo in teams (I was Luigi). Luigi N-air edgeguard -> Mario B-air edgeguard. Really awesome against predictable recoveries as they try to Up-B.

Pretty much what A2 said. you can only win by baiting them but good marths will never do that.

Lol last weekend I teamed with a peach main and I shoryukened him and the opposing MK at the same time <_<

It was funny.

i was talking to weruop on aib chat last night xDDDD

 

[CR4SH]

Marth does dirty nasty things to luigi. When a marth is inching you closer and closer to the edge with sh double aerials, your only option is to roll behind, get hit, and reset the situation. That is, assuming you dont get juggled for rolling.

Also he can dolphin slash out of jab cancels, lol.

The only saving grace of this matchup is he can't chase you off the edge without being gimped. But who needs chasing when you completely dominate the ledge game?

 

[luke_atyeo]

Lol last weekend I teamed with a peach main and I shoryukened him and the opposing MK at the same time <_<

It was funny.

lol those kills are too good, I did one of them at genesis in melee teams, too bad I suck at melee though.

also tbh I think marth is just really jealous of the sexy green thunder, marth is pretty gay like that, things would be so much better if he/she/it wasnt born.

 

[zhao_guang]

You guys sure that Marths can UpB out of jab cancel to UpB? NEO says he can only upB out of it if he gets lucky, and when done correctly, is inescapable. Then again, maybe he just doesn't try hard enough...if that makes sense.

 

[A2ZOMG]

You can't buffer actions when you are being Jab canceled if I recall, so probably NEO just has bad timing.

 

[elheber]

Hippy... about Marth edge/ledgeguarding Luigi, one word:

Delayed Recoveries

I've been preaching this dang tactic since before Twitter existed. Sorry, I have Twitter on my mind.

 

[CR4SH]

elheber, its not about marth ****** your recovery, he can't do that. It's about marth ****** you when you try to get off the edge, he almost cant fail that, unless he sucks. And yes, marth can upb out of jab cancels, pretty much all of them.

 

[elheber]

Yar, it's a problem when I face those Marths, but I still do better than when they use any other character. Even if it's a ledge drop JRC, Luigi still has options.

 

[Tennet]

El we need to find some way to communicate go get aim or something

 

[yoshq]

And yes, marth can upb out of jab cancels, pretty much all of them.

yeah, there's a marth that does that to me almost every jab combo i try. and I mean the 3 jabs.

 

[zhao_guang]

elheber, its not about marth ****** your recovery, he can't do that. It's about marth ****** you when you try to get off the edge, he almost cant fail that, unless he sucks. And yes, marth can upb out of jab cancels, pretty much all of them.

Actually, he can **** your recovery if he's smart enough. He can just eat away all your options with smart, well placed moves. If he gets overaggressive and doesn't predict how you recover beforehand, then he's not effective. However with split second reactions (which good Marths have) they can just continue to poke your options out the window.

If anything, he'll hack you a good 50% or higher, than just pressure you has you hang on the ledge, another gl hf situation.

 

[elheber]

I can't believe how afraid of Marth you guys are. It's like you've admitted defeat before the match starts. Marth is super gimpable, plain and simple. You can say that he can chip away at your options all you want, but off-stage he falls faster than rocks and can only fit about 2 aerials and 1 special before needing to get back.

The smart ones are the ones that guard from the ledge and don't chase you down.

 

[KoSa!]

I never visit the Wigi boards, but awesome front page pic O.O

How fast do you guys press the special button for those aerial nados?
When I do it I stay in a neutral postilion. And I press the button pretty fast, I've beaten both the orginal MGS thingy, and Starfox Adventures one.

 

[elheber]

There's 2 types: With the jump and without the jump. Jumping before the Cyclone (it's called a Cyclone btw) is easier on your fingers and you should have no problem doing it. Doing it without the jump is tougher, I'd say about at least 10x a second for lift. I can do about 15 taps a second or more.

Do you use a GameCube controller?

 

[zhao_guang]

I can't believe how afraid of Marth you guys are. It's like you've admitted defeat before the match starts. Marth is super gimpable, plain and simple. You can say that he can chip away at your options all you want, but off-stage he falls faster than rocks and can only fit about 2 aerials and 1 special before needing to get back.

The smart ones are the ones that guard from the ledge and don't chase you down.

Come on man. A smart Marth player will never get gimped by a Luigi, and he won't go far off stage either. By chipping away, I meant he would d-tilt, f-air, n-air or edgehog to b-air your double jump, rising cyclone, side B or UpB. Even if you keep making it back to the edge, they'll bat you away until your UpB can barely grab the edge, when they simply edgehog to let you fall.

Listen, at an equal skill level, Marth vs. Luigi is winnable. But I'm sick and tired of people going around claiming it's just another match-up. If the Marth knows what he's doing, he will NOT play the average Marth meta-game against you, because that's what makes the matchup so easy. He'll find ways to shut down your options, which he can do, and slowly run you down. Marth players need to be patient when landing kill moves, now they just have to be patient the whole match.

Marth is only gimpable if he gets too agressive off the stage or gets to hasty when recovering, which brings me back to saying that a smart Marth is a patient one. You will gimp a smart Marth maybe one stock in a set of six-nine, which will never be enough.

If you're talking about beating average/good but inexperienced Marth players, then yes, that is a cakewalk. I, however, mainly talk about the smart experienced Marth players who know what to expect. They have options to shut down our game, and we, frankly, do not. Outplaying them is how we win this tough match-up, but if someone tries to tell me that it's easy to outplay a Marth like that, they really need to feel it for themselves.

Sorry if this came off a bit hostile, I'm typing this at 2:30 am, but I have played a ton of Marth players and I feel I know this match-up pretty well. I've three stocked some Marths, and been three stocked. It really depends on how well they know the match-up.

EDIT: In other news, this page alone has the word "smart" written down 8 times, get at meeeeee.

 

[elheber]

I switched the words "Luigi" and "Marth" in your post, and it still made perfect sense. There, I got at you.

 

[KoSa!]

There's 2 types: With the jump and without the jump. Jumping before the Cyclone (it's called a Cyclone btw) is easier on your fingers and you should have no problem doing it. Doing it without the jump is tougher, I'd say about at least 10x a second for lift. I can do about 15 taps a second or more.

Do you use a GameCube controller?

Yup, whoops cyclone I play MK so...

But how do you test yourself. I would say that I am hitting the button 7ish times a second (since I stay neutral). But I've noticed every wigi does it, so I thought there was a method that I was messing up on.

The jumping one I know.

 

[elheber]

Doesn't matter if you know how exactly how many taps per second you're making, all you need to know is you need to do it faster. The secret? Technique. I'll ask again: Do you use a GameCube controller?

 

[CR4SH]

I switched the words "Luigi" and "Marth" in your post, and it still made perfect sense. There, I got at you.

I play, almost every week, a marth who is at least top5 marths in the nation. He goes by xisin, and he HATES playing luigis. His rationale? One big mistake means a stock, it pisses him off. Also he hates bair. Why? because its a quick aerial with range, which isn't something you see very often outside of marth and MK.

The thing though is, he ***** my *** forever. In tournament I play DK on him, because its just a better move, and it makes the game an actual GAME every time.

A SMART marth, with a grasp on what options he has and is at least on your skill level, will beat you every time. I promise. Pinky swear.

Short hopped, retreating, double aerials from marth, are the bread and butter in this matchup. He uses them to FORCE you to do something you aren't comfortable doing. If you power shield the first fair/nair, he knows your options, and runs. Power shields are a good option, but they by no means imaginable "**** marth". When you're hanging on the ledge, 4 times out of 5, against a GOOD MARTH, you get hit.

Marth CAN BE gimped, but its a dumb idea, since one aerial at best puts you on the edge against an edgeguard. Marth does not gimp you, because tornado, if it hits, ****s him up hard. Neither option is useless, but neither option is a good idea (risk/reward), so nobody with a brain in this matchup actually does it.

Marth ****s luigi up, because luigi cannot approach and cannot cancel jabs without eating damage. Anyone in any matchup can bait a response and punish, therefore a better player can win anything. But when we're talking MATCHUPS, we're talking even playing field. On an even playing field, marth ****S LUIGI UP. Take up a kong.

If you doubt it, come down here and play xisin, I'll front you a money match. I have money to burn to educate luigis.

Edit, my edit was useless, so I'm editing it.

Kittens are adorable!

 

[LuigiKing]

The one thing we do have on Marth though is an incredibly easy to land Jab -> UpB.

Granted, you'll never get close enough in 3 stocks to land it

 

[luke_atyeo]

Also he hates bair. Why? because its a quick aerial with range, which isn't something you see very often outside of marth and MK.

DK, Wolf, Kirby, Snake, Mario, Luigi etc etc

I honestly dont know much about the luigi v marth matchup but it seems to me that marth just has too much range and zoning capabilties for poor old weeg to get in there, so being able to kill early doesnt really help much

 

[yoshq]

I play, almost every week, a marth who is at least top5 marths in the nation. He goes by xisin, and he HATES playing luigis. His rationale? One big mistake means a stock, it pisses him off. Also he hates bair. Why? because its a quick aerial with range, which isn't something you see very often outside of marth and MK.

The thing though is, he ***** my *** forever. In tournament I play DK on him, because its just a better move, and it makes the game an actual GAME every time.

wtf, xisin? i beat him like 3 sets...

 

[Xisin]

wtf, xisin? i beat him like 3 sets...

sigh... how many times do i have to keep reminding you that online doesnt count for a few reasons: Marths need split second reaction timing... and one of you luigi mains have said this already that marth needs good reaction in this match up. Split second reaction is what next to impossible online? Take your online bull**** and get out of here. (We've never played in an offline set.) I'll personally give you a 20 dollar bill you do the same nonsense to me at an offline tournament and win (you wont.) the catch is you give me 20 if i win. Something also funny about online several people within my own state actually consistantly beat me online, but they've never taken a tourney set off me offline (no one in my state has taken a tournament set off me since Feb. (Rowan.), and i play just about every week.) ... so yeah online is a skill in itself.

you CAN up-b out of luigi's jab it is however risky which is why neo probably doesnt do it. miss the up-b or the luigi baits with jabs then shields? LOL FJP!

cyclone ***** marth offstage HARD if he gets hit with it. (IF.) especially if he's used his jump its often sends marth at an awkward level. I really do hate the luigi match up though, cyclone is annoying bairs is annoying, missing an up-b means death at stupid %. I'd easily file this under one of my 5 least favorite match ups.

If the marth plays this paitent yeeah easy, but that means its not fun because if we do not play patiently we get hurt badly

 

[hippiedude92]

LOL@ xisin and yoshq. marth is so easy to beat on online, and luigi is so easy to beat online and offline with marth.

i mean only me and zhao use marth competitively and can probably beat any luigi with marth obv because we main him and other obv reasons, elh you need to fight me on wifi or zhao lol. theres really rare SMART GOOD marths that truly put his zonings options to the limit, but luigi cant really do anything, HOWEVER, its still a winnable matchup, steel2nd (lolname drop) believes its 6/4, we just really have to work alot harder just to get past his simple zoning etc.


i play the best marth in NY and hes ranked 7 in NY PR we fight pretty much everyday, as a luigi you have to think on your feet and look for the slightest mistake from a marth like a unsafe fsmash which most GOOD marths wont be doing and less mistakes then ever. usually i ps every thing marth does only because most of em are scrubs but good marths love to bait it and can just shield break it.

marth > luigi onstage/offstage. he can do more nastier stuff than we can do to him.

 

[yoshq]

sigh... how many times do i have to keep reminding you that online doesnt count for a few reasons: Marths need split second reaction timing... and one of you luigi mains have said this already that marth needs good reaction in this match up. Split second reaction is what next to impossible online? Take your online bull**** and get out of here. (We've never played in an offline set.) I'll personally give you a 20 dollar bill you do the same nonsense to me at an offline tournament and win (you wont.) the catch is you give me 20 if i win. Something also funny about online several people within my own state actually consistantly beat me online, but they've never taken a tourney set off me offline (no one in my state has taken a tournament set off me since Feb. (Rowan.), and i play just about every week.) ... so yeah online is a skill in itself.

you CAN up-b out of luigi's jab it is however risky which is why neo probably doesnt do it. miss the up-b or the luigi baits with jabs then shields? LOL FJP!

cyclone ***** marth offstage HARD if he gets hit with it. (IF.) especially if he's used his jump its often sends marth at an awkward level. I really do hate the luigi match up though, cyclone is annoying bairs is annoying, missing an up-b means death at stupid %. I'd easily file this under one of my 5 least favorite match ups.

If the marth plays this paitent yeeah easy, but that means its not fun because if we do not play patiently we get hurt badly

no need for the essay in response. and if I won't win, then shouldn't I be able to bet 10 or something

 

[Xisin]

haha just saying i've never beaten luigi online so its really means nothing, and nah if you're that confident you'd put 20 on it I'm just bad at online. I am going to MIB to answer below.

 

[yoshq]

I'm not confident, you would **** me ;o why lose $20 over nothing. anyway come to MIB and we can play.

 

[zhao_guang]

I was wrong about the gimping, I was only thinking about NEO vs. myself when talking about the gimping and that's not fair since NEO is far above my level.

However, a Marth will gimp you way before you gimp a Marth, unless the Marth is very careless, which shouldn't happen if he has half a brain. Luigi's recovery is predictable and can be beaten by Marth much more easily than Luigi beating Marth's.

 

[CR4SH]

Luigi's recovery, vs a select set of characters, is dumpster juice. It's garbage, it's balls, it's a poop sandwich.

LOL @ xisin popping in, I can beat that ******* on wifi. Marth is easy on wifi.

DK, Wolf, Kirby, Snake, Mario, Luigi etc etc

Wolf doesn't really have range, and snakes is super slow on the back end., Hmm, I wasn't very specific was I? Silly me.

 

[hippiedude92]

LOL , marths counter > fully charge green missle and/or misfire is EXTREME ****.

i can probably do a fully shieldbreaker on luigis recovery.