The Jiggz Match-Up Thread

[Zigsta]

KJ covered just about everything.

I'd add that you should under no circumstances try to dair camp Bowser. You'll just get up B'd every time...right, GNES?

Nair is a wonder offstage against Bowser. Eating his jumps with nair is a great way to gimp Bowser.

Again, like KJ said, don't get grabbed, which shouldn't be too tough in this MU. Jiggs should be aircamping the heck outta Bowser.

When in doubt, run it out.

 

[Flayl]

Don't try to shark Bowser. That's pretty much all I can add that hasn't been said so far.

If I were a Jigglypuff main I would definitely ban Halberd over Yoshi's Island. Just my opinion though.

 

[Zigsta]

Yep yep, I agree with Flayl here. Last place you want to go against Bowser as Jiggs is Halberd.

I'm more inclined to call this MU a 60:40 for Bowser.

 

[KillerJawz]

60:40 or 55:45 is fine with me, I just don't want Jiggs players to be walking into a MU thinking it's hopeless, it just requires alot of patience.

 

[Cassius.]

Yeah. God ****it I always come late to matchup discussions. :l Basically, everything that KJ said.

I would say Bowser for the most part should be grounded unless he's going for that aerial Klaw, a kill, grab release UAir or getting juggled by Jigglypuff. I haven't had too much success using Bowser's FFNAir as a "combo-breaker" when getting juggled by Jigglypuff, although I'm not completely throwing it away as an option to get out. You can try mixing up FFNair and AD's to get down to the ground.

I also kinda agree with Flayl/Ziggy, if anything, ban Halberd. It'll suck a lot if we get gimped on the mid flight form of Halberd, but you know. We should be grounded.

I would also call this match 60-40 just because of the sheer ease of killing...but not only on that base. KJ stole everything :[ And I can't stress patience enough. Using Jiggs on a Bowser before, it's really annoying trying to get a hit inside him when he's throwing out his shield, FTilt and Klaws everywhere. Just get your hits in here and there, and try to get a lead. This MU is far from impossible or hopeless though.

 

[Noobicidal]

The discussion seems adequate enough. We'll settle on 60:40 Puff for now, and re-discuss it later if need be.

Ignore the OP, and suggest who the next character to be is.

 

[#HBC | J]

Mario pleeeease lol

idk why but that seems fun :o

 

[GeneralWoodman]

dair the fireballs as they bounce off the ground....and foxtrot away a lot...cuz he'll do everything oos or out of a short hop. Marios bair is scary while two fireballs are out....mario is one of the few matchups you should dodge roll a lot in....but wait til hes jumping before you do so

 

[Noobicidal]

Well then, it seems that Mario is next.

EDIT: I'm attempting the thread export idea, so PLEASE keep all Mario-related discussion in the following thread.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=281955

 

[KillerJawz]

:l Basically, everything that KJ said.

KJ stole everything :[

I'm sorry ;____;, hugs? <3

Also, will the exports be for every character after this point? Or is Mario a test subject?

 

[Flayl]

Why did you put Bowser as 60:40 your advantage?

 

[Noobicidal]

I'm sorry ;____;, hugs? <3

Also, will the exports be for every character after this point? Or is Mario a test subject?

Mario is the test subject, and if all goes well, I'll make exports for the characters that have yet to get any discussion, then the six that we don't have adequate write ups for, then the 12 match ups that we've talked to death.

Why did you put Bowser as 60:40 your advantage?

Because KJ is an idiot. I'll get that changed.

 

[KillerJawz]

Because KJ is an idiot. I'll get that changed.

But I didn't do anything ;_____;

 

[Noobicidal]

But I didn't do anything ;_____;

Why did you put Bowser as 60:40 your advantage?

60:40 or 55:45 is fine with me

You didn't do anything at all.

 

[KillerJawz]

You didn't do anything at all.

In my writeup, I had stated 45:55 in Bowser's favor, with that knowledge in mind, I would have thought my opinion on the match up would have been obvious.

/noobicidalobliviousness

 

[#HBC | J]

for Next discussion what about discussing one of the Mother boys?

Lucas or Ness? (im leaning towards Lucas *I wonder why lol*) But nah seriously Ness is already being discussed on their boards.

So yea my votes Lucas next. ^_^

 

[Noobicidal]

Coincidentally, Lucas is right after Mario on the master list. Unless there's a sudden demand for another character to be discussed, Lucas will be next.

 

[#HBC | J]

oh wow now that's lucky I guess o_o

 

[Noobicidal]

At the request of a user, the Lucas match up discussion has started.

Match Up Thread Export - Lucas

I ask that you PLEASE keep all relevent discussion in the Export, and not in the Compendium.

 

[#HBC | J]

FFFF why is it me choosing the previous two MUs ;_;

other's should say who they want. I just go with the first character that pops into my head that sounds fun.

 

[FD96]

after lucas could we do ike please?

 

[Noobicidal]

The Lucas discussion hasn't even been open for two hours. I'll consider Ike, but for now, it's too early to decide the next possible candidate.

 

[FD96]

alright, thanks

 

[*JuriHan*]

Jigglypuff is cuter than Bowser so I would call the match an even 50:50.

rofl i wish thats how all MUs worked

 

[-LzR-]

>_>
10char stuff

 

[Noobicidal]

Update: I stole Alex's old chart and filled in the ratios that we already have. While it's not exactly pretty or up to date in regards to the tier list, we have SOMETHING to look at until I get around to making a fabulous chart from scratch.

 

[T-block]

Cool... when you do, I'd like to suggest that you remove Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard as individual entries. The ratios for those three would be useful, but they can go in the PT summary.

 

[#HBC | J]

rofl i wish thats how all MUs worked

I do too ;_;

Also my vote is to work at the LTs we have yet to done. Soooo my vote's Ike as well. Even though the Lucas MU is still going.

 

[Noobicidal]

Cool... when you do, I'd like to suggest that you remove Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard as individual entries. The ratios for those three would be useful, but they can go in the PT summary.

I'll consider that, thanks.

I do too ;_;

Also my vote is to work at the LTs we have yet to done. Soooo my vote's Ike as well. Even though the Lucas MU is still going.

While I wouldn't mind discussing Ike, we have already discussed him, so I'd much rather choose a low tier character that we haven't ever attempted before.

I'm quite partial to Ganon, personally.

 

[KillerJawz]

Well you can write a ton on that MU Stephen so I'm fine with Ganon.

 

[Noobicidal]

Well you can write a ton on that MU Stephen so I'm fine with Ganon.

Oh, most definitely. It will be the longest write up out of any character. Most of the Ganon mains are at least somewhat familiar with my Puff, so they'll be able to contribute as well.

For those reasons, I almost want to save it due to how much fun it'll be for me.

 

[T-block]

Save it then... let's do a character above D-tier lol

 

[Noobicidal]

Save it then... let's do a character above D-tier lol

Throw out a character then.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Save it then... let's do a character above D-tier lol

Throw out a character then.

we can do Fox, lol

 

[Noobicidal]

Well, Fox DOES fit both categories that we're currently working with. I have no problems with discussing him next.

 

[T-block]

I was thinking Fox actually... or Toon Link

 

[Noobicidal]

Fox it is then!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282308

 

[#HBC | J]

oh my bad about Ike ^^"

Fox ;O i have such trouble with him.

 

[-LzR-]

As much as I love Jiggz, I see those MUs are pretty optimistic for a borderline bottom tier character. Oh wait that is another reason Jiggz is much better :D
But I have doubts about Falco, I play a lot against my friends Falco and I just can't beat him.

 

[Noobicidal]

I'm considering pausing the Fox discussion for now and moving on. Does anyone have any objections/recommendations as to whom we'll discuss next?