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Even though they aren't luigi-fied yet; they have been altered which puts them further away from the parent character they cloned. Even if slowly; they are becoming their own characters. But yeah, I get what you mean.
Around September 5th.
I feel like I said all this in his Smash 4 thread lol. I agree completely. He should also have a lot of super armor, and his sword would give him ridiculous reach.
Oh yeah?
With the Against the Black Knight playing on the background
It would definitely have to play unstoppable destiny in the background for one thing. I'm fine with the same general presentation as Chrom, but I want to see a focus on his rivalry with Ike. I hope we would hear some voice lines and see some taunts, as well as a victory animation. That's about what I'm hoping for.
Never getting to play Path of Radiance and Metroid Prime: Echoes while they were still at reasonable prices are my two biggest gaming regrets of all time. I sit around hoping that one day Nintendo will be reasonable and either remake those games or re-release them at acceptable prices.
I took two comparative screenshots that went viral over the internet (one youtuber even made a video literally 10 minutes after I posted it on Gamefaqs). I am not 100% sure about the change either, but my opinion is that there WAS a change on the guy sitting on the throne in Castle Siege. He is no longer "black knight-ish", but instead is "red knight-ish" lol. My guess is that it was some kind of hint during last Smash Direct, but who knows?
That’s pretty damn awesome! Cool how you stared this, but then again speculators this time are extremely quick to jump to any kind of conclusion.
I’d say some of his biggest points are
I hope he can get a few Mii Swordfighter attacks. Namely the Blade Furry, 3rd Neutral Special Custom. And the second Side Special Custom Slash Launcher, which kinda works as Quick Draw anyway.
Probably a different up special, which would most likely be a teleport. I'd guess he'd be slower and stronger too if there are any stat differences. I think there would be different jump animations, taunts, and Idles. Basically slower stronger Ike with a teleport is what I'm thinking.
You mean changing specific properties about a character? That's already a thing. For example, Lucina's sword damage is balanced all around her falchion, whilst Marth is focused at the tipper.
No I mean like similar to how characters can get buffs/debuffs in patches and updates; Echo Fighters could be slightly more unique moves during the game's lifespan. Not Wolf levels of difference, but maybe at least a little closer to unique?
I think it's very unlikely. In my opinion, the echos are purposefully chosen not only because they could work with another character's moveset, but because they have a reason to fight like their original. It would go against their very design to "de-echo" them. And it'd look weird considering how you can stack the echo on top of their original in the CSS.
I have a very different view on the Chrom argument, I think it's actually very weak. Honestly, I felt the speculation around Chrom being an echo of Ike was strongly biased, and that most speculators blinded each other. Chrom has no reason whatsoever to fight like Ike, he has a clearly different class, with Ike's being mercenary based, they also have no lore connexion at all, and they don't even wield the same weapon. Yes, they share some design similarities, and yes, they were compared in Palutena's guidance. But Sakurai stated Chrom was scraped because he would be a middleground between Marth and Ike, which wasn't as interesting as Robin using magic tomes. Then Roy came back, filling that space inbetween Marth and Ike. What's more, having him as Roy's echo links him with both Lucina and Marth, whom he shares a lore connexion with. Oh, and Marth and his three clones all have a very similar class in the game, which justify them fighting in similar ways pretty well. In my opinion him being Roy's echo, although it is indeed weird, fits him way more than echoing Ike.
Strong arguements about Chrom. Not agreeing with what you said about Black Knight however. Zelda already has 3 Links in. And Ganondorf is a Luigified C.Falcon clone who borrows Ike's F Smash and U Smash and Cloud's D Smash. Speaking!! Black Knight could do just that. Borrow Ike's animations, but take Ganondorf's build and stats or something similar like that.
It's rare for patches to give characters different moves. I brought up the Lucina and Marth thing because that's the kind of change that could happen while adjusting characters,
I remember reading a YouTube comment (bottom of the barrel I know) complaining that Chrom should be cut in favor of Shovel Knight or Alucard. I just shake my head, like, how the hell do people not realize that characters like that don't take "slots" after Sakurai very painstakingly made it as obvious as possible with the Echo Fighter label, or even realize how much more work a unique fighter takes? I have to believe that they are being willingly dense or trolling cause I can't believe that people are just that stupid to not even grasp the basics of game development or time management.
And Sakurai made it so painfully obvious that they don't take slots, since you can STACK them on the Character Selection Screen if you want. Echoes are one of his greatest "inventions" for Smash, since you can create easy-to-make characters, increase the roster and please the fans with "low" effort.
