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THE TOP 5 PEACHES
K, let's redo this with maybe an ounce of non-retardedness.
The purpose of this thread is try to create a sort of ranking of current Peach performances. The problem with this, of course, is that there's a lot of subjectivity.
Like a lot man.
I mean, seriously, I need to emphasize exactly how abstract this type of thread is. It's honestly to the point of being nearly pointless. This is mainly due to there being no clear outlier. It's almost universally agreed that, currently, the higher end Peaches are placing about the same. But since this discussion is going to take place regardless, we can at least approach it using hard evidence, a little qualitative data, and maybe even some tact.
Smash is a game were your every tournament appearance is recorded. What you placed, who was there, and who you beat. This is real data we can use, but it's not perfect and doesn't always tell the full story. Let me cover some common misinterpretations.
• Illmatic won/placed high in a tournament! He's the best Peach!
A seemingly impressive number doesn't cover two important details: who was there and who was beaten. Winning a 100 man tourney full of nubs doesn't mean much. Similarly, placing right beneath a few good players, but above a lot of mediocre ones has the same effect. Congratulations, you beat people who suck.
The important bit is who was beaten to get to that spot. A talented player will beat talented players.
Note: Realizing a few tournaments coming up, simply measuring who got higher in bracket at the same tournament is dishonest. Again, it is essential to consider who was beaten to get there, and who was blocked from even trying by facing AAA-Tier players early. Your bracket of terrible Snakes impresses no one.
• Illmatic beat [A-Tier Player]! He's the best Peach!
Generally, this is the most concrete and reliable evidence. Like I said, talent beats talent. But johns exist. This is absolutely nitpicking, but if there ever is a back story - say something involving tripping, pausing, or even bomb-ombs, enjoy this news with a particle of salt.
But really, just a disclaimer. **** happens and people get lucky. Que: consistency.
• Illmatic does great in Europe He's the best Peach!
Basic apples to oranges. With so little interaction between the continents, it's very difficult to determine how good Europe, or other countries, actually is in comparison to the US, and vice-versa. The speculation is entirely too much. While Europe and Japan will not be ignored below, a global ranking will not even be attempted. You are, of course, free to discuss and create your own.
• Illmatic beat me while Nicole could not! He's the best Peach!
Really one of the better interpretations, but these comments clearly only cover a small number of people. The only facts here are: out of two players, one of them beat this specific opponent. Here we have to consider match-up experience, player experience, and even basic play-style interaction.
For example, Nicole might have lost here, but if she beats a different higher-caliber player, we can get a little confused. It's a case study, a good one really, but it shouldn't be taken as a complete investigation.
THE CONTENDERS
Listing a top "five" is arbitrary. I say we start with a complete list of all the currently active Peaches, and from there separate into tiers. Maybe we'll have a top five, maybe a top three, maybe a top ten. It defeats the purpose to pre-define who's good.
Presented in absolutely no order, especially not importance:
ACCOMPLISHMENTS
AKA: Who have you beaten? Nobody cares about your friendlies. MMs and tournament only.
2link
Wins: Jazz
Losses: Radix, Ryder, GDX, Sebrik
Dark.Pch
Wins:
Losses:
(Missing info from Viridian City 8)
Draik "Rowan"
Wins: Calic, Sneakytake
Losses: Fizzle (0-2), Scribbles, Hades Blade
HiROI
Wins: Action, Viper
Losses: Gallax, Hbox
Illmatic
Wins: Deva, Graf Nik, Jon, Theboredone,
Losses: Ultimaterazer, Dphat
(Missing info from Hobo 30 and MLG Dallas)
King Beef
Wins: Ripple, Sil, Hades
Losses: Renegade, Shugo
Kyon
Wins: Dtorr, Xdeath, Fearless, 2D-Jeff, Solo, Scarylb59
Losses: Gallax (0-2), Hbox, Prince Ramen, Hrnut
(Missing info from Wato 13 and FGCU Smash Alpha)
Lance Stern
Wins: Churro
Losses: Vato, Oki
Mikey Lenetia
Wins:
Losses:
(Missing info from End of the Year)
Meno
Wins: Pierre
Losses: Timotee, Dave
Nicole
Wins: Moe, Asdioh, Red Ryu, JBM, MegaRobMan, JT, Sneakytako, TripleR, Tmacc
Losses: Hades, Arty, MJG, Hylian, Future, Lain, Atomsk, Clel
Peachkid
Wins: I, Ryker, Munch
Losses: Bees, Dave
Razmakazi
Wins: Jeebus, Cognia, Nefarious B, Shiro
Losses: Paper, Loto, Larry (0-2)
(Missing info from 2GG, MLG Dallas, and VG Battles)
Silly Kyle
Wins: DK Speed DK, DerpDaBerp, Tommydermesiter (2-0), Steyo, Stevo, Prime
Losses: Duff0, Kiraflax (0-2), Darklink
Xyless
Wins: Neo
Losses: Fatboy Buff, Akashi
OPINIONS FROM OPPONENTS
Have you played multiple Peaches? What's your opinion?
TOURNAMENT PLACINGS
Dah raw numbers. I will update shortly.
THE RANKINGS
The "official" list. Under construction, but here's a probable prediction.
K, let's redo this with maybe an ounce of non-retardedness.
The purpose of this thread is try to create a sort of ranking of current Peach performances. The problem with this, of course, is that there's a lot of subjectivity.
Like a lot man.
I mean, seriously, I need to emphasize exactly how abstract this type of thread is. It's honestly to the point of being nearly pointless. This is mainly due to there being no clear outlier. It's almost universally agreed that, currently, the higher end Peaches are placing about the same. But since this discussion is going to take place regardless, we can at least approach it using hard evidence, a little qualitative data, and maybe even some tact.
Smash is a game were your every tournament appearance is recorded. What you placed, who was there, and who you beat. This is real data we can use, but it's not perfect and doesn't always tell the full story. Let me cover some common misinterpretations.
• Illmatic won/placed high in a tournament! He's the best Peach!
A seemingly impressive number doesn't cover two important details: who was there and who was beaten. Winning a 100 man tourney full of nubs doesn't mean much. Similarly, placing right beneath a few good players, but above a lot of mediocre ones has the same effect. Congratulations, you beat people who suck.
The important bit is who was beaten to get to that spot. A talented player will beat talented players.
Note: Realizing a few tournaments coming up, simply measuring who got higher in bracket at the same tournament is dishonest. Again, it is essential to consider who was beaten to get there, and who was blocked from even trying by facing AAA-Tier players early. Your bracket of terrible Snakes impresses no one.
• Illmatic beat [A-Tier Player]! He's the best Peach!
Generally, this is the most concrete and reliable evidence. Like I said, talent beats talent. But johns exist. This is absolutely nitpicking, but if there ever is a back story - say something involving tripping, pausing, or even bomb-ombs, enjoy this news with a particle of salt.
But really, just a disclaimer. **** happens and people get lucky. Que: consistency.
• Illmatic does great in Europe He's the best Peach!
Basic apples to oranges. With so little interaction between the continents, it's very difficult to determine how good Europe, or other countries, actually is in comparison to the US, and vice-versa. The speculation is entirely too much. While Europe and Japan will not be ignored below, a global ranking will not even be attempted. You are, of course, free to discuss and create your own.
• Illmatic beat me while Nicole could not! He's the best Peach!
Really one of the better interpretations, but these comments clearly only cover a small number of people. The only facts here are: out of two players, one of them beat this specific opponent. Here we have to consider match-up experience, player experience, and even basic play-style interaction.
For example, Nicole might have lost here, but if she beats a different higher-caliber player, we can get a little confused. It's a case study, a good one really, but it shouldn't be taken as a complete investigation.
THE CONTENDERS
Listing a top "five" is arbitrary. I say we start with a complete list of all the currently active Peaches, and from there separate into tiers. Maybe we'll have a top five, maybe a top three, maybe a top ten. It defeats the purpose to pre-define who's good.
Presented in absolutely no order, especially not importance:
- Illmatic
- 2link
- Akariss
- Botastic
- BTC
- C Spyker
- Dark.Pch
- Draik "Rowan"
- Gantrain
- HamNEggs
- HiROI
- -Joey-
- King Beef
- Kyon
- Lance Stern
- Leon
- LLOD
- Meno
- Mikey Lenetia
- Moozle
- Nicole
- PBC
- Peachkid
- Praxis
- Razmakazi
- Silly Kyle
- Xyless
- Yaaay
- Yami
- Zudenka
ACCOMPLISHMENTS
AKA: Who have you beaten? Nobody cares about your friendlies. MMs and tournament only.
2link
Wins: Jazz
Losses: Radix, Ryder, GDX, Sebrik
Dark.Pch
Wins:
Losses:
(Missing info from Viridian City 8)
Draik "Rowan"
Wins: Calic, Sneakytake
Losses: Fizzle (0-2), Scribbles, Hades Blade
HiROI
Wins: Action, Viper
Losses: Gallax, Hbox
Illmatic
Wins: Deva, Graf Nik, Jon, Theboredone,
Losses: Ultimaterazer, Dphat
(Missing info from Hobo 30 and MLG Dallas)
King Beef
Wins: Ripple, Sil, Hades
Losses: Renegade, Shugo
Kyon
Wins: Dtorr, Xdeath, Fearless, 2D-Jeff, Solo, Scarylb59
Losses: Gallax (0-2), Hbox, Prince Ramen, Hrnut
(Missing info from Wato 13 and FGCU Smash Alpha)
Lance Stern
Wins: Churro
Losses: Vato, Oki
Mikey Lenetia
Wins:
Losses:
(Missing info from End of the Year)
Meno
Wins: Pierre
Losses: Timotee, Dave
Nicole
Wins: Moe, Asdioh, Red Ryu, JBM, MegaRobMan, JT, Sneakytako, TripleR, Tmacc
Losses: Hades, Arty, MJG, Hylian, Future, Lain, Atomsk, Clel
Peachkid
Wins: I, Ryker, Munch
Losses: Bees, Dave
Razmakazi
Wins: Jeebus, Cognia, Nefarious B, Shiro
Losses: Paper, Loto, Larry (0-2)
(Missing info from 2GG, MLG Dallas, and VG Battles)
Silly Kyle
Wins: DK Speed DK, DerpDaBerp, Tommydermesiter (2-0), Steyo, Stevo, Prime
Losses: Duff0, Kiraflax (0-2), Darklink
Xyless
Wins: Neo
Losses: Fatboy Buff, Akashi
OPINIONS FROM OPPONENTS
Have you played multiple Peaches? What's your opinion?
TOURNAMENT PLACINGS
Dah raw numbers. I will update shortly.
THE RANKINGS
The "official" list. Under construction, but here's a probable prediction.
- Illmatic
- Illmatic
- Illmatic
- Illmatic
- Illmatic