The Full Smash 64 Learning Curve (MASSIVE UPDATES)

[Blue Yoshi]

I use keyboard online with no c-button set (i.e. no short-hop). I would much rather use a controller, but I've been either too buzy or too lazy to search for a good adapter. One day, I'll use a controller.

 

[DemonicInfluence]

keyboard here. I suck on controller

 

[Lovage]

keyboard SUX

i spent my first 6 months of this game playing p2p with keyboard, and i made the best i could with it but it's a WASTE OF TIME

just buy the mayflash adapter for 10 bucks and it works with your controller GG

 

[lern2zhelm]

keyboard SUX

i spent my first 6 months of this game playing p2p with keyboard, and i made the best i could with it but it's a WASTE OF TIME

just buy the mayflash adapter for 10 bucks and it works with your controller GG

My Mayflash was $20+S&H. Q_Q

 

[PKNintendo]

CRAP!

lvl 6 was DESIGNED to **** Ness.
Darn, I wish it stopped at 5C. XD

PS: Level's are needed for Melee/Brawl.

 

[NixxxoN]

keyboard doesnt SUX, it has as many advantages as disadvantages

Fixed

10fixes

 

[Frogles]

kbs only advantage is di.

kb sux.

 

[asianaussie]

It has one advantage: DI.

Oh, and convenience. You don't have to search for good adapters or anything.

I use keyboard and can do everything I can on a controller (except good DJCing and tilts without buffering).

 

[Deleted member]

i bet you can't do an up-air while dropping from a platform

or do a perfect b-air while moving forward

 

[Blue Yoshi]

i bet you can't do an up-air while dropping from a platform

I can on keyboard. Pressing up and A on the exact same frame makes you do an up-air without double-jumping. Same thing with pressing down and A to do a dair without fast-falling.

 

[DemonicInfluence]

However, doing a fast-fall uair is like impossible as far as I know

 

[NixxxoN]

With keyboard you can move faster with arrow keys rather than with the normal joystick, so a char like falcon feels much more practical to use for me

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

With keyboard you can move faster with arrow keys rather than with the normal joystick, so a char like falcon feels much more practical to use for me

If you could move faster on the keyboard..the keyboard would be broken and the online play would make no sense.

its more practical for you because either:

1. Your more used to the keyboard
2. You are bad at using the n64 controller

 

[asianaussie]

However, doing a fast-fall uair is like impossible as far as I know

I can do it. I can do D-Air without fastfalling, U-Air when falling or dropping from a platform, SH U-Air without buffering, and everything else important, except walking and tilts from a stand w/o buffering.

I can walk and F-Tilt from a stand with 8/12 characters if the ground I'm on isn't fall-through.

You have to press Up and A at the exact same time, frame perfect perhaps.

 

[NixxxoN]

1. Your more used to the keyboard
2. You are bad at using the n64 controller

Maybe its a bit of both. My fingers demand precision, so i can't handle a n64 stick that much and i do well with my "special soft kb" buttons

 

[DemonicInfluence]

I can do it. I can do D-Air without fastfalling, U-Air when falling or dropping from a platform, SH U-Air without buffering, and everything else important, except walking and tilts from a stand w/o buffering.

I can walk and F-Tilt from a stand with 8/12 characters if the ground I'm on isn't fall-through.

You have to press Up and A at the exact same time, frame perfect perhaps.

Dang, I wasn't aware of this. That's pretty awesome and i gotta test it :D

 

[Tambor]

I can walk and F-Tilt from a stand with 8/12 characters if the ground I'm on isn't fall-through

Wow, I thought i was the only one. but you can't do a diagonal-up F-tilt with that.
I can also walk out of a run, but only in the same direction.

I guess a perfect bair while moving forward is impossible on keyboard. I do get pretty close, but it's not perfect.

 

[asianaussie]

Dang, I wasn't aware of this. That's pretty awesome and i gotta test it :D

It sucks. You need to practice heaps. I just do Isai's little Link victory dance on Hyrule - short hop under the ladder, hard throw bomb up to have it land on the top plat.

Wow, I thought i was the only one. but you can't do a diagonal-up F-tilt with that.
I can also walk out of a run, but only in the same direction.

I guess a perfect bair while moving forward is impossible on keyboard. I do get pretty close, but it's not perfect.

There is a way to do angled tilts and smashes from standing, and it involves a weird button input. I forget what it is exactly, and I can't really be bothered testing it.

The B-Air without moving seems impossible. Oh well.

 

[killa k]

I thought this was about the learning curve O_o.

 

[Tambor]

I thought this was about the learning curve O_o.

With 36 pages of discussion, this obviously gets off-topic from time to time.

 

[Lovage]

trying to justify keyboard is ****ing stupid

u get to play online and can't falling uair/slow down air? big whoop
then whenever people ask you to play console u have to say SURE BUT I SUCK WITH CONTROLLER and u lose

 

[asianaussie]

Actually, you can do both falling u-air and d-air w/o falling. It just takes practice.

In terms of pivots, I'm better on keyboard, in everything else, especially DJC and Ness's recovery, I'm better on controller. It's just about practice. I justify keyboard because I have no other option, and I'm pretty good with it anyway.

 

[DMoogle]

I don't believe anyone who says they have no other option. You can't spare $10 for a cheap PC controller, $13 for an adapter for N64 controller if you already have one, or $30 for an adapter with an N64 controller?

 

[Lovage]

I don't believe anyone who says they have no other option. You can't spare $10 for a cheap PC controller, $13 for an adapter for N64 controller if you already have one, or $30 for an adapter with an N64 controller?

SERIOUSSSLYYYY


you're going to waste your time learning frame perfect uairs on keyboard (u have to hit up and A on the same frame) when you could just spend ~20 bucks for the mayflash and play perfect controller forever and get better at the game

there's seriously no johns when it comes to this

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I play on console with friends, so there's my improvement. I use keyboard with no shorthop online bascially to see what people do and adapt that to my controller playstyle. Yes it sounds dumb, but I'm too lazy to get an adapter, and my current pc controller doesn't work for me.

 

[asianaussie]

I'm in VCE (the equivalent of your SATs in America) year, and I have asian parents paranoid about credit card schemes. If I want something off eBay, I pay a friend to get it for me, and only if I REALLY want it. Since I've already more or less learned keyboard, I'm not going to bother getting a controller. Does it sound like I'm going to get an adapter anytime soon?

I play console with friends on occasion, but since I win against them so often, they make me play Melee, which I don't even own. Keep your comments, I'm a keyboard player online and proud of it.

If any people out there are still indecisive about which to pick, go for controller. The only reason people like me and Blackshadow use keyboard is because we've already learned it.

Just to link back to this thread, the learning curve for keyboard is far, far steeper. That should already be reason enough not to bother with it like I did.

 

[Zen Yore]

i think there should be 6a and 6b,

Spoiler

maybe even 6c,

 

[SSBPete]

i think i'd be 5a getting onto 5b

 

[asianaussie]

You still dodge roll too much. You'd be getting to 5a, IMO.

 

[SSBPete]

i didnt play well last time we played. i'd be a 5a easy.

 

[ciaza]

I think AA'd be pushing lvl 6 if u had a controller

 

[Surri-Sama]

wooo, if AA is lvl 6 i am higher then i thought ^_^

and nixxxon pay no mind to lovage, remember he is one of the randoms from SoCal...they have their own rules and beliefs about smash over there

jk to many good players come from Socal!

but you should ignore lovage, watch how he plays and you will know listening to him wont make you better

 

[NixxxoN]

you're going to waste your time learning frame perfect uairs on keyboard (u have to hit up and A on the same frame) when you could just spend ~20 bucks for the mayflash and play perfect controller forever and get better at the game

what are you talking about. I suppose you have tried a keyboard that allows more than 2 key input at the same time....
The only kb problem is the stick issue. With a joystick you have << < > >> (analog) and with kb you only have < >

 

[asianaussie]

I think AA'd be pushing lvl 6 if u had a controller

With keyboard I'm barely 5a, and then only with a few characters. Even with a controller I'd be 5b at best. You'd be 5a or maybe 5b with Pika, 4 with everyone else

 

[killa k]

Level 5d and maybe 6b should be added.

 

[Zen Yore]

Level 5d and maybe 6b should be added.

that would make sense, me being on 5d, and ppl like s2j on 6a

 

[Darth Rancorous]

that would make sense, me being on 5d, and ppl like s2j on 6a

so, if people like s2j are at 6a, does that mean people like tigerbombz are at 6b?
i mean, im only going off of recent tournament results lol

 

[T1g3rbombz]

AHAAH SWEET!! i concur!

 

[Deleted member]

you and i never played

i'll buy a new controller with a brand new stick and **** next time

 

[T1g3rbombz]

its not the controller...its the player