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The eternal debate: How will Brawl be controlled? CONTROLLER DISCUSSION HERE

Creo

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I just realized that would suck!
If we have options of D-pad or Joystick...that is given there.
And that would be annoying to shake it all the time to jump.
Also, think of how hard it would be to play like with the one and two buttons.
How would you use the B button to shield if you hold the remote sideways..?
We would only use the + pad for a DS release of Smash.
 

Chi's Finest

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What debate? It's obviousyly the GCN controlers.

Offtopic question: Why do the mods close every thred on this site, even if it's relevant and not a repeat thread?
 

Charzendat

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Cause they are suffering from bandwidth issues and can't afford to have active threads open that are unnecessary.
 

Cisne

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Wiimote is not viable.

This is a fighting/party game , not just a party game FFS

Not only the competitive comunnity will be dissapointed , casuals will be dissapointed too.

shake to jump ....ok.....shorrhop ? god save us...
 

Nietendodude

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I just realized that would suck!
If we have options of D-pad or Joystick...that is given there.
And that would be annoying to shake it all the time to jump.
Also, think of how hard it would be to play like with the one and two buttons.
How would you use the B button to shield if you hold the remote sideways..?
We would only use the + pad for a DS release of Smash.
Just getting out there sheesh!:dizzy: Your middle finger should hit it but forget it it was just an idea. Everyone is pratically going to use a GC controller.
 

darkshy

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I was looking on the smashbros site and if you look there's only I wiimote icon so mabey it's not GC copntroller compatible?
 

Mr.GAW

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GAAAAAAAAHHHH!

Why must people be so naive?

The Wiimote next to how to play means nothing.
That's not to say that a Wiimote/Nunchuck control-scheme isn't plausible, but the how to play icon sure as hell wasn't their way of announcing it.

You people should've figured this out when you saw the Wiimote ON ITS SIDE. If the Wiimote will be used, it will be WITH THE EFFING NUNCUCK. Period.

I still firmly believe that you will have the option to use any of the three controllers.

EDITED OUT NAMES.

P.S.
Anybody who thinks Mote+Chuck wouldn't work is ignorant.
 

Mr.GAW

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It is a Wii game and that is the only reason why. If it was used with a Wiimote, it would be ruined. Not only would SH be harder, but we would lose a great gameplay as well. It is common sense people.
That's why Creo.

The game would not be ruined using a Wiimote, if you look at the beggining of page 2, I list a control scheme that I think would work perfectly.

Shorthopping would not be harder at all, and we wouldn't lose great gameplay, whatever that's supposed to mean.
 

Creo

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It means everything and that is your opinion.

My list...

People who Suck:
Mr.GAW
Reasons: his post count is 666 and he thinks I post ignorantly because of one post.
 

Burning Lava

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I'm sure everyone already knows (didn't read whole thread) about the whole remote icon on the Dojo, but notice how it's also on Nintendo.com as well. Were it says "features," and lists some games, each game has a little icon by it, and Smash bros. has the remote by it. Accident? I think not. :chuckle: (I have no idea, and I don't presume to either. The GC option is probably still going to be there.)
 

Sensai

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Lava..../sigh. I love your sig, but the Wii remote thing has nothing to do with which remote will be used. It was the Wii remote 'cause it's a Wii game.

And GAW....post something. You're scaring the children.
 

Mr.GAW

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It means everything and that is your opinion.

My list...

People who Suck:
Mr.GAW
Reasons: his post count is 666 and he thinks I post ignorantly because of one post.
Actually, didn't I say "People who posted ignorantly IN THIS THREAD"? I'm pretty sure I did. I'll get the quote in a sec.

Anyways, I don't think you post ignorantly. I just think that you should think more before you post, and provide some decent evidence for why you think something.

I didn't mean to piss you off, but you can't deny that racking up 1,000 posts in ONE MONTH is saying something.

And my post count isn't 666 anymore.

I guess you have no reason to keep me on your people who suck list anymore. Thanks.

EDIT:

Mr. GAW said:
List of users who posted somewhat ignorantly in this thread:
Charzendat
Creo
Lawk.

If I listed your name, by no means do I disrespect you or look down upon you, but I think you should be a bit more articulate about what you post, or think it through more.
Ah... there it is.
 

Keige

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Me said:
Or you could go with common sense and realize there's no reason to not include GCN and CC support.
This is really what I mean, but I kind of got side tracked. I guess it was because it seemed like it would be too weird to offer two similar control styles, and then one completely different (wiimote). But the argument of saying we should use nunchuck solely because of price is stupid. The CC and nunchuck cost the same, so it just made more sense to me to make sure you could use the better option.
 

Burning Lava

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Lava..../sigh. I love your sig, but the Wii remote thing has nothing to do with which remote will be used. It was the Wii remote 'cause it's a Wii game.
Thanks! And yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with you, just kind of pointing something out and making a joke about it. (That said, Nintendo has pulled fast ones on us before. ;))

If you want to know, my bet is there'll be an option for all 3, (or just GC/CC) but they'll market it as using the CC. I think most people probably feel the same way... just sayin'. I really have no idea!!! That's the beauty of it! :laugh:

EDIT: And thanks for just calling me Lava, I really don't care for the "Burning" part for everyday usage. Actually, I'd just shorten my name to Lava, but I don't think I can without just getting a new account.
 

Chi's Finest

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I doubt they wil use all three controllers. I say GCN only , and that's what I'll stick to until they finally confirm it.
 

Hoodie

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Why is this thread even here lol..everyone knows we're going to be using the GC controllers, It'd just be ******** otherwise.
 

Mr.GAW

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I take back the whole ignorance thing you guys. I was just trying to say that I strongly disagree with what those people posted.
 

NES n00b

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To all the people, who say that only the GC controllers will be used, everyone does not own a Gamecube and its controllers. Since first party GC controllers are hard to find, I do not understand why Nintendo would just make the game based SOLELY on the GC controller. Nintendo will not make more GC controllers for Brawl because that would be inefficient to make one type of controller for ONE game. I do agree , however, that there will be an option to use the Gamecube controller and the Clasic Controller.

yay for rants. Need more Brawl news to end arguements like these. :psycho:
 

WR3K

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i think all 3 controllers will be compatible

nunchuk + wiimote, buttons only, might be a disadvantage if enough buttons arent availiable

classic controller- not that hard to program usability if someone can't find a GC controller

GC- will probably always availiable to play, but not to buy
 

Burning Lava

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Alls I knows is: Yay, we have a reason to live! Feeling down and out? Just hang on for one more day and you'll get some Brawl tidbits! Fresh served from Sakurai no less. :)

CC=Definitely
GC=Almost just as definitely
Motechuck: Anyone's guess at this point. (He said not the main game, but who knows, things happen.)

One thing to ponder about is that while the GC has analog (squishy) shoulder buttons, the CC/Motechuck does not. Not saying it will change but there's a chance shielding won't have the same degree of control. (Unless they exclusively use the GC which I very much doubt.)

Eh, I don't know why I'm posting this, most of us know anyway.
 

Razo

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Smash Bros is likely going to be the biggest selling game on the wii, but if we all remember clearly, the gamecube as a console, was not. not only will the controllers be hard to find in the first place, but it will greatly confuse the masses, and i somehow doubt they'll cater to the minority of people who have GCN controllers.

for simplicity's sake, i think there will only be one control scheme, and that it will use the Classic Controller. This will also mean that everyone who plays the game will be accustomed to the same control scheme. In order to sell these controllers, I think it's a possibility that at least one will come in a bundled version of SSBB (much like Wii Play) at a discounted price to make up for the fact that few people have the controller.

I just simply can't see them using GCN controllers (because it'd look out of place, control too different, not many will really have one due to the wii selling better than the GCN) and control with the wiimote+nunchuk just seems strange, and was said so by Sakurai as well.

Only Classic Controller playability = Likely
 

arrowhead

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the classic controller has the sticks/buttons at very inconvenient spots. i don't think it's a smart choice to use it
 

Sandy

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I enjoyed Super Smash Bros. Melee very much, which is why I was quite shocked when the developers announced that the new Wii game, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, doesn't work with the great Wiimote/nunchuk combination at all. Many of us who don't have GC controllers (any more) or who haven't spend their money on the classic controllers, will surely give a second thought on buying Brawl, which will probably be at its best as an offline multiplayer game and so requires many controllers. Excluding Wiimote/Nunchuk controls as an option would definately hurt sales.
That's why I've come up with an easy, intuitive and effective Wiimote/nunchuk controls for Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I think it would be very good idea to at least make it possible to play the game with Wii's unique controllers.

There would be a cursor next to the character on the screen (1) and it is controlled with Wiimote, enabling full 360 degrees for aiming. The opacity of the cursor could be adjusted and so professional players could use zero opacity if they feel the cursor is unnecessary, as the character itself reflects the direction where the cursor is.

The cursor moves relative to the character, not the battle field, and is set on a track (2) with fixed distance from the character. When Wiimote is being held upwards, the cursor moves to the top of the character and the character looks (and aims) upwards. When the Wiimote is held downwards, the character looks down, when held left, the character looks to the left (3), when held right, it looks to the right etc. The character follows the movement of the cursor smoothly for all the 360 degress it is operational.
Because the cursor moves relative to the character on a set track, there's no misconceptions about which cursor belongs to which player. It also fits to the style of moving and panning screen of Super Smash Bros. Most important of all, it is a very intuitive and precise control method.

Melee Battle

The cursor is an indicator of where the player will hit. For example, when it is held up-right, the character executes a kick to up-right direction when the action button is pushed (4).
Pushing the Z-button in bottom makes the character draw melee weapon, a sword for example, and its action is executed with the action button. When equipped with sword and flying mid-air, waving the Wiimote would execute a spinning sword attack (5). When A is pushed in bottom and the player executes a 180 degree wave with the Wiimote, the character makes a powerful spinning kick (6). These kind of combinations could be used for a whole bunch of intuitive, character dependant moves.

Moving around

Because the character always faces to the direction of the cursor, moving backwards and forwards is very easy (7/8). The moving is executed with the analog stick of the nunchuk-controller. Pushing the analog stick up makes the player jump. Pushing the analog stick left/right slightly makes the character walk (7) and pushing it all the way makes the character run (8).
Fire

The aiming works for special weapons (fire balls, arrows, missiles etc.) in the same way (9). The character fires to the direction of the cursor. Aiming is easy from any position imaginable, be it mid-air, crouching, or running backwards. Fire is executed by pushing B-button in bottom and tapping A-button.
Other moves

C is used to block moves. Pushing C and A simultaneously executes a grabbing motion. D-pad is used for Smash-moves and the combination of analog stick, Z-button and A-button can be used for special moves assigned to B-button of GC-controller in Super Smash Bros Melee.
Here's the picture the numbers refer to:

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i561487_cursorz.jpg
 

psykoplympton

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when you go to smashbros.com to the right of "the basic rules" section there is a wiimote. Maybe it just signifies it is on the wii. or that is how the game will be played, with a wiimote. Just a thought.
 

Erk Aduro

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Long arse rant about controls and really complex alternative controls.
o_O Dude, that sounds really, really complex. A big part of Smash Bros' appeal is the underlying simplicity in its controls. All attacks and movements in pressing one button and tilting the control stick in a direction. Honestly, I wouldn't like Brawl at all with that kind of control scheme. :\ Maybe for a whole new fighter, but a dramatic change in control like that would piss off a lot of players.

Sakurai said that he probably wouldn't be able to implement motion control. Not that the Wiimote and Nunchaku attachment wouldn't be compatible with Brawl. You can map out the buttons easily without resorting to ridiculous Wiimote motions.

A = Basic Attack
B = Special Attack
C = Jump Button or Grab Button
Z = Sheild
Control Stick = Movement

Easy as that. Down on the D-Pad could be used for taunts. I don't see why it has to be one or the other. >_>
 

Saimdusan

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There's also the possibility of the Wiimote to the side.

Motion Sensitivity = Control Stick
1 = A
2 = B
A = L
B = Z
Pad = Taunts
 

Idfection

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There's also the possibility of the Wiimote to the side.

Motion Sensitivity = Control Stick
1 = A
2 = B
A = L
B = Z
Pad = Taunts
As in tilting the Controller? You'd have to yank it to the side to run, and yank it in the air to jump... and there's no way I could do that and stay technical.

Nintendo will not make more GC controllers for Brawl because that would be inefficient to make one type of controller for ONE game.
Guitar Hero did it.
 

Snifit

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The Classic Controller would be very uncomfortable to play smash with. There are other wii games that are planning to use the GC controller and not the classic controller as a more traditional control option (MK Armageddon). Is it official that Nintendo is done distributing GC controllers and has no plans to do so in the future?
 

Grimwolf

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The Classic Controller would be very uncomfortable to play smash with. There are other wii games that are planning to use the GC controller and not the classic controller as a more traditional control option (MK Armageddon). Is it official that Nintendo is done distributing GC controllers and has no plans to do so in the future?
As far as I know, no they haven't stopped. I saw some not too long ago in the store for sale...
Yeah and they already stated GC controller would be used for Fire Emblem.
 

Dantarion

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Guitar Hero did it.
Guitar Hero depends on the gimmick of the guitar controller, however, if they can figure out how to make it easy to play with, it doesn't matter for smash. And, you can play Guitar Hero with a ps2 controller if you really want to.

So did steel battalion.
And look how that turned out. I never even saw that same for sale, even at best buy. The only time I have seen it in person was at an animecon, and that says a lot about how marketable a extremely expensive controller is.

As far as I know, no they haven't stopped. I saw some not too long ago in the store for sale...
Yeah and they already stated GC controller would be used for Fire Emblem.
Wal-mart no longer has new GC controllers where I live, and the GameStop I visit doesn't either. I am pretty sure that the gamecube section is being quickly phased out of stores.
 

Warioman

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well on the smash bros website next to the "how to play" section, the image is of the wiimote on its side... Maybe this is how we play it? I hope it isnt tho, that'd just be really awkward.

Warioman!
 

Erk Aduro

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well on the smash bros website next to the "how to play" section, the image is of the wiimote on its side... Maybe this is how we play it? I hope it isnt tho, that'd just be really awkward.

Warioman!
I doubt it. There's enough buttons, but they're awkwardly placed, and all we'd have is the D-Pad. Hardly conducive to good Smashing of Bros. :\
 

Lawk

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I'd be surprised if theres not a nunchuck+wiimote control system simply because it's a guarantee that every wii user has at least 1 wiimote and nunchuck. Still, I would've thought that adding multiple button configurations would be quite easy. It's just a bunch of IF statements.
 
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