The eternal debate: How will Brawl be controlled? CONTROLLER DISCUSSION HERE

[Sensai]

LD50 (which I originally read as LCD0), it isn't confirmed that we'll be able to use GC controllers. Everyone needs to know that, and it's ignorance that's keeping people from understanding that basic concept: concerning controllers, NOTHING'S CONFIRMED.

Whoever put up the list ordering the probability of what controllers will be used, I beg to differ. The last spot is the GC controller (as mentioned and explained by any post by GAW or me), and the Wii remote is second. The CC is almost certainly going to be the controller they'll push.

I think he meant 'internal' not 'eternal'.

Red Exodus, among others: it's called the 'Classic Controller' not because of the VC, but because it's the same type of controller as older ones. Same model, same idea, same everything. Based on buttons, y'know?

 

[Caael]

Why is this eternal? We'll know once they announce it.

I like the GCN Controller.

For you, and anybody else who complains about the name, I was only trying to be creative.


It's not comfirmed Sensai, but it's the next closest thing. Sakurai said dont throw those GC controllers yet, so it's a **** sure.

 

[Sensai]

Sakurai said you might not wanna throw them away, but it was so long ago that it might be incorrect at this point. That might've been before they realized that they would be using the CC for things other then the VC.

Kind of hinting at something does not confirm it, nor does it put it at 'the next closest thing.'

 

[B_Smash07]

Now, i shall express my oppinion agains the wiimote/nunchuck



NO
NOO
NOOO
N-thirty O's
Honestly, who of you here want to have to move to make ur character fight? if they made it motion sensitive, it would take away all that is smash. Personally, i would be happiest with the cube controlla, but the classic is all the same with me.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Just because there's a Wii Remote and Nunchuck control scheme doesn't mean it has to use motion sensing, B Smash. As I've said a thousand times, the Wiimote and the nunchuck have more than enough buttons.

And post 500.

 

[Avenger7x]

Ign makes a pretty confident statement here in the article related to the smash bros site relaunch about the wii clasic controler

check it out... http://wii.ign.com/articles/788/788418p1.html

debate...

 

[Sensai]

That IGN article is just assuming that that's what we'll be playing with (what a surprise!).

They probably won't ever announce that, as it's mostly common sense that of course you'd be playing with the CC...but if it ever does, I'll be sitting in my chair typing out a million 'told-you-so's to every single person who doubted it.

:-D

 

[Red Exodus]

What if they use that stuff from EGM's "20 years from now" article and we have to use sensors that will detect our thoughts and emotions? I think that'd be a big shocker. Too bad/good thing the odds are like 0 to none.

Anyway, I think we'll at least have a minimum of 2 options, DBZ for Wii had 2 options so it's do-able.

 

[Mr.GAW]

RE, did DBZ let you use a GC controller?

Whoa... lots of acronyms there.

 

[Classic-Black]

Yeah, DBZ lets you use the CC or GC controllers. So if Sakurai's earlier statements are still valid, my 2 CC's and wavebirk'll come in handy once Brawl is released

 

[Black/Light]

I think it will use them ALL.

GC for old time smashers.
CC for those of us who can't find the GC controls.
Wii-mote for those of us who want to play with the Wii-mote.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Yup^ That's what I've been trying to push ever since the Wii came out.

 

[Classic-Black]

I honestly don't see a wiimote-nunchuck thing happening, even if combined the wiichuck combo has enough buttons, motion sensing wouldn't work well in a game like this

 

[Mr.GAW]

Gah.... obviously, if it has enough buttons, it doesn't NEED motion sensing.

 

[Black/Light]

I honestly don't see a wiimote-nunchuck thing happening, even if combined the wiichuck combo has enough buttons, motion sensing wouldn't work well in a game like this

You really can't say it wouldn't work well. There are many ways to which it could work and work well but it depinds on how the devs choose for it to work.

 

[Classic-Black]

Gah.... obviously, if it has enough buttons, it doesn't NEED motion sensing.

True, but i haven't seen a game utilize the Wii-chuck control method that hasn't used motion sensing. And, if using the wii-chuck method, holding the wiimote the long way would be kind of awkward.

You really can't say it wouldn't work well. There are many ways to which it could work and work well but it depinds on how the devs choose for it to work.

I'm bassing my assumptions off of DBZ. While the controls using the wii-chuck are pretty solid, there are still the occasional hiccups when either the motions aren't recognized, or are misinterpereted. If devs do decide to go this route then these control hiccups will likely occur in Brawl, based on my limeted experience and educational guessing

 

[Black/Light]

WELL it is a early Wii title. Devs probly/ most likely need more time and exp with the Wii-mote in-order to fix these things.

Plus, thats what the other controllers are for. If you feel that the Wiimote aint working for ya than use the other controls.

 

[Classic-Black]

WELL it is a early Wii title. Devs probly/ most likely need more time and exp with the Wii-mote in-order to fix these things.

Plus, thats what the other controllers are for. If you feel that the Wiimote aint working for ya than use the other controls.

Point taken, although i'm not sure if the hiccups are completely avoidable, experience not withstanding. Anywho, i was just illustrating why i wasn't sure if the Wii-chuck was a good fit for Brawl. If they make it work though, i'll definately try it out

 

[Sensai]

Just because it uses a Wii remote doesn't mean that it's necessary to use the motion sensing.

 

[Lawk]

Right, I'm digging this thread up from... a few days ago... instead of creating a new one as the rules say.

I bring forward some evidence! (Man, I feel like Phoenix Wright, Phoenix Wright for SSBB etc.)

Behold!

Now I ask - How the hell does that work?

I mean, fine, you've got up for jump, maybe waving the wiimote instead of X or Y but blocking? Grabbing? Dodging?

I need my mind put at rest that this Can't Be The Control System.

 

[Kelp Plankton]

If you're going to treat that logo as the way you control the game, then by that logic, the logo for levels means we're going to be jumping around on white hills.

It means nothing.

 

[Lawk]

Ahh, there's the logic.

Being fair, the white mountains look like a stylised background from a Mario level. But I see your point. Making presumptions from a board meeting that probably went:
"So, a sideways wiimote for the controls button?"
"Yeah, sure."
"Why not?"
"Cool. Lunch!"

 

[Charzendat]

Theres a word for logic like that. It is not beyond impossible to have control of the game with the sideways Wiimote. It would be very hard and anyone using that method will likely die fast and often, but it is possible.

I just see them letting you use the Wiimote and Nunchuck combo without any motion sensing during fights. Well maybe you could use it to move the camera when you are paused or in camera mode, but thats it. And of course the obvious use for menus.

 

[Burning Lava]

(That has to be another topic about this already, but anyway...)

Well, now that the new site is up, I find it interesting, as I'm sure most of you do, that the icon for "How to Play" is a freakin' WII REMOTE!!! Now, it could still be controlled by the GC or whatever, but I'm thinking there's a possibility for some mote-chuck (coined!) action!

EDIT: Whoops, missed the post that already mentioned that. Oh well.

 

[blueVlaD]

(That has to be another topic about this already, but anyway...)

Well, now that the new site is up, I find it interesting, as I'm sure most of you do, that the icon for "How to Play" is a freakin' WII REMOTE!!! Now, it could still be controlled by the GC or whatever, but I'm thinking there's a possibility for some mote-chuck (coined!) action!

I think "mote chuck" what happens when that little wrrist thing fails you....

but i agree and that wiimote does heavily imply that we might be mote chucking after all

 

[Fawriel]

"So, a sideways wiimote for the controls button?"
"Yeah, sure."
"Why not?"
"Cool. Lunch!"

Hahaha. Awesome.

Well, my theory is that this implies that there WILL be Wii-mote compatibility... but it is not the main controller. You can probably also use the classic controller or something. The fact that the button shows a Wii-mote is, I think, just because it's a Wii-GAME, so a GC controller would look out of place. Compatibility with more controllers makes sense because I think Nintendo stopped producing GC ones and starting major distribution would be quite a hassle.

 

[Tera253]

the only reason Tera would want the Wii remote would be because she aready has 3 of them.

w00t! 700 posts!

~Tera253~

 

[The_Corax_King]

I dont know how the wiimote would work...

but if you look at the "how to play" post on the website, there is a little icon of a wiimote...

That seems impossible though to play with a sideways remote... no joystick...

 

[Keige]

Sakurai is not dumb enough to make a Wii mote mandatory because there's no reason to use when the CC or GCN controller is available.

 

[Sensai]

GAW, where be you? I need your common sense to back me up.

The reason that the icon is a Wii remote is because it's a Wii game. I know, what a weird thing for them to use the controller from the system it's on, right?

That's not confirmation at all; all it is is them using an icon that everyone will acknowledge and recognize.

 

[TakDragon7]

Well, it's not weird to ue a gamecube controller for the wii. I bet you guys have been playing melee on the wii with your controllers so it's not that bad.

 

[Fawriel]

It would simply look out of place to put a GC controller instead. "Wait, wasn't this for the Wii?" "wot for a controller is dat i dont have sumthing like that" and so on.

 

[Creo]

GAW, where be you? I need your common sense to back me up.

The reason that the icon is a Wii remote is because it's a Wii game. I know, what a weird thing for them to use the controller from the system it's on, right?

That's not confirmation at all; all it is is them using an icon that everyone will acknowledge and recognize.

Don't worry Sensai...I am here. People...don't make me get my Tingle.

It is a Wii game and that is the only reason why. If it was used with a Wiimote, it would be ruined. Not only would SH be harder, but we would lose a great gameplay as well. It is common sense people.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I surely agree that the Wiimote would ruin smash and that even hardcore smashers would have to get used to playing again, should just be between the Gamecube controller and the classic controller

 

[Creo]

Even if it is not the GameCube controller and becomes the Classic one, I will at least be able to quickly adept to it quickly.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

To elaborate on what Plomid said, Sakurai (creator of the SSB series) at E3'06 clearly stated that using the Wii controller and it's motion sensetive would be bad. He also said to not throw away your Gamecube controllers. He must have known how tricky it would be to find GC controllers.

 

[Creo]

Yes I do remember that as well so I think the Classic Controller will be just an optional choice of GameCube or it. That is how it should be.

 

[Nietendodude]

I can see the wii controller working fine on it's own.

+ pad= movement

1= B moves

2= A moves

Shake the remote= jump

B button= Sheild

See!

 

[Charzendat]

I like the idea that was mentioned by someone earlier. Ship a GC controller with the game... I already have enough (if you include classic controller) but it would be cool. They could use the platinum one or maybe a special white one.

Shake Wiimote to jump!?!? Wheres my gun?

 

[Nietendodude]

I like the idea that was mentioned by someone earlier. Ship a GC controller with the game... I already have enough (if you include classic controller) but it would be cool. They could use the platinum one or maybe a special white one.

Shake Wiimote to jump!?!? Wheres my gun?

Just a thought man calm down. I'm going to use my game cube controller anyway. I came up with that in 2 minutes I didn't put that much thought into it.

Also wouldn't shipping a GC controler cost more money?