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TomBoComBo
Nah. I'll probably get it after 3.5, but I'm a freak of nature that can't stand so much as 1 frame of lag XD. If you go to Paragon 2015, dittos will be inevitable.Well, the thing is, Yoshi is very unconventional character, so character match-ups can be irrelevant if the opponent doesn't know how to fight him. He relies so much on tricky movement. How moonwalking works for you is how perfect wavelands are for me. They almost NEVER see it coming. It's so much fun to just shoot off the platforms with so much momentum.
TomBoComBo
Nah, but I might get it when 3.5 is out. Sadly, I'm a freak of nature that can't stand so much as 1 frame of lag XD. You said you were going to Paragon 2015, right? We can settle things there, dude.
I believe that's what everyone in this thread aspires to be; the next aMSa of PM to show the true potential of this character. His skill cap can be overwhelming at times, but when all the tools come into play and you're on point he's a monster. You have to put as much work into him as a Fox, probably even more to be a really technical Yoshi. I believe the payoff is worth it though.
Naw homie. I aspire to be myself. The one that will finally make it to top level with the tools/characters I love. I look up to Fumi (old timer Yoshi players know about him), AmSa, and Vectorman because they put in the work and their efforts show through the reaction times and technical skill to execute Yoshi at such a high level.
Those problems being parries and other melee Yoshi stuff I'm assuming. In my personal opinion it can be dangerous playing the same character with different iterations of smash, especially with melee and PM. The physics and speed of both games are so similar you could possibly do a move in PM that doesn't work the same in melee just out of habit. So even though refraining from using eggroll would help you transfer games easier, there are also other moves you have to consider as well that don't work the same.
That's not an issue if you take like 20 minutes to warm up before a match, get reoriented into the other game's physics. I can switch from Yoshi in PM and Smash 4 with ease because both characters feel like their own.
Thing is, PM allows more freedom with specific moves than Melee, which is why my recent training has been melee. Certain characters I know I won't be able to switch because of w/e changes in the mechanics, but once I learn the restrictions in Melee, it's not a hard transition at all so long as I warm up correctly. I already know almost every difference needed for my two characters (Yoshi & Falco) to play the efficiently in both games. Certain specific stuff like Parry in PM is broken (we all know this), but the small differences can be interchangeable once you get used to them separately and have proper time to switch.
True. That transition is easier. I suppose it's more prominent from a PM vs Melee standpoint. For example, to shorthop with Fox you have to press and release the jump button within a 3 frame window in melee, while in PM it's 4. That makes a bigger difference than you might think because of the adjustment of muscle memory with such a fast pace game. Plus in a tournament setting you won't get a 20 min warm up between games once it starts very often. Sometimes it's the big obvious moves and other times it's the small differences. Don't underestimate force of habit. One mistake in a match can lead to a loss in a set.
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We don't know if it will or even can be fixed. In melee, if the hitbox of a move collided with anything, the hitbox woud actually deactivate, leaving Yoshi, who suffers from no shield stun, to be able to capitalize. PM and brawl dont have that mechanic, the moves have multi hitbox properties and will not deactivate after contact. I think if they went in and purposefully gave Yoshi invince frames after a correct Parry, that would essentially fix it. If it's no different from 3.02, fear not, there is still grab-parrying and I've figured out a way to parry regularly (much less rewarding than melee, but better than having your shield disappear) If you end up parrying anything that has a lasting hitbox, you will only parry one frame of it, then your shield will be poked and you'll get hit. Thankfully, the first hit allows you to see the lag of the hit, you can buffer a sidestep and avoid the poke. Your opponent will likely miss the L cancel and you get the punish you deserve.
I can live without the eggroll, but downair sending people sideways makes me really sad. I haven't played or seen that in action yet so I don't know exactly how it works, but I had been working on some pillar type combos with rising Uair and dair before and rip
Mumbo
If you'd help me on that if youre free, that would be awesome.
Does anyone know the old stats (BKB, KBG etc) of down B. I haven't been able to tell if it is an improvement or not.
Is this actually changed? This seems like how it already worked in 3.0.2
Yoshi's parry isn't "broken" per say, it is just an unintended consequence of a brawl engine quirk that is different from melee, similar to how PMDT doesn't yet know how to make tethers hit walls instead of snapping to the ledge. In the case of parry, in melee, if you are hit with a lingering hitbox while invulnerable, you deactivate the hitbox, and will not be hit when you lose your invulnerability. In the brawl engine, however, invulnerability does not deactivate the hitbox, and if you are hit within the first 6 frames of shielding and the hitbox stays out long enough, you will take the hit on the 7th frame before going into your shield.
You lost your winner's round 1? talk to be when you get better kidI'll do some heavy work on it tonight and let you guys know what's changed and what's not. @
Lastly, Won a local last night http://challonge.com/spicypm1114
unfortunately there was no stream so no footage to show you guys
Mumbo
it was loss because my tournament mentality hadn't kicked in yet. The guy is someone I struggle with sometimes because he plays a super patient punish reaction game so I can't go in guns blazing. Plus Mario 3.02 always comes back and has fantastic tools for that kind of play. Got my revenge in losers after my mindset came into effect
Do you mean XY to DJL?
Yeah that also works. I set my L button to jump because I think it's easiest do jump with Y, DJL with L and then do a move, which is something I couldn't do in 3.0
Movement seems much crisper than in 3.02. Someone said that if you don't hold Jump in the first 7 frames with an aerial, it'll DJC.
